Talk:Withdrawal of Joe Biden from the 2024 United States presidential election

Is this page really necessary?
Oh come on, is it really necessary to create a separate Wikipedia page for something like this? That's a bit over the top. Cenbutz1 (talk) 18:22, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Agree. Just because an event is notable doesn't mean it needs a separate article, as there's not much to write about for someone simply dropping out of a race. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 18:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree it should be merged with the article about his presidential campaign. Procyon117 (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm also in agreement that it should be merged. David O. Johnson (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * wait but probably merge, let’s see what happens. Some republicans like trump are calling this a “coup” (another source)
 * I just say let’s see we wait to see what happens, this is a historical event. LuxembourgLover (talk) 19:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * To be fair, it is a historical event, but there is no page for Lyndon B Johnson’s withdrawal in 1968, and much of this article isn’t even about what happened today. Can easily be merged into Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign, but hold off from that for now, and wait for consensus Jason Ingtonn (talk) 21:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * we have I do not choose to run, dont know how similar that is. LuxembourgLover (talk) 22:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also with Harry S. Truman. I don't believe in sequel articles, not to mention something on his regular page, 2024 presidential re-election page, and now on this. FloridaMan21 (talk) 23:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This article is 100% not needed as of typing this (21 July) but some more info may come to light in the future on the whole thing. Candidates drop out all the time, so I see no logical need for an article that can easily be covered at Joe Biden or, as you had said, Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 02:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree sigmas — Rexter7890 (talk) 01:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Rexter7890 Very Interesting statement🤔 FloridaMan21 (talk) 02:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This has been AFDed twice now. It's not going to change anytime soon. David O. Johnson (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It's very essential to have a separate article. So, yes. Ahri Boy (talk) 04:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't believe so. This article is not needed, and I would say to merge it with Joe Biden 2024 presidential campaign. SteelerFan1933 (talk) 04:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @SteelerFan1933 I'd say we should wait a week or so. Let the fallout from this situation settle before we make that decision. MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 05:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Paragraph 2 needs attention
Current: "Concerns of Biden's age mounted in June 2024, following a debate in which Biden's faltering appearance, speaking with a hoarse voice and failing to recall statistics and express his opinion on several occasions. After what many deemed was a poor performance, he received numerous calls for him to withdraw from the election." (n.b. that the first sentence as-is is syntactically incorrect and does not read)

Change to: Concerns around Biden's cognitive ability mounted in June 2024 following a live television debate with Donald Trump. Biden's debate performance was universally criticised as being poor, something which he himself acknowledged. In the weeks that followed there were numerous calls for him to withdraw from the election."

Specific points:  "Concern of" is grammatically incorrect. Should read "concern about" or "concern around". The concerns were not about Biden's age per se. They were about his cognitive/physical health (which are often correlated with age). Should his hoarse voice be mentioned? That doesn't really signal anything in itself. "he received numerous calls.." isn't really correct. Calls for him to withdraw were generally made publicly in the mass media.

A general point I'd like to make is that (if this isn't already included) the article should mention how this announcement was made, and I personally would like to see the exact time of the announcement. I think this is a groundbreaking moment in global history and that the exact time is noteworthy (if merely for posterity). Flusapochterasumesch (talk) 18:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Withdrew from race, or what?
The lede currently says Biden withdrew his nomination but I don't think he nominated himself, so technically he can't "withdraw" his nomination. How about "dropped out of the race" or "withdrew his candidacy"? --Uncle Ed (talk) 18:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The whole article is a con. It was rushed by someone looking for glory on the front page. FloridaMan21 (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Gaza war in background
considering the Israel–Hamas war protest vote movements article exists, the "Uncommitted" campaign during the Democratic primary should definitely be included in the background section of the article (not in the least because it received more votes than Dean Phillips). Its not like Democrats were unanimously backing even before the debate performance. — jonas (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

File:President Biden letter on resigning from reelection.png
FYI, has been nominated for deletion at COMMONS:Commons:Deletion requests/File:President Biden letter on resigning from reelection.png -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 22:45, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

This page is unnecessary
Why does this page exist. Sertyt (talk) 00:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Lede
Lots of the text in the lede is repetitive and says the same thing a few times over.  Volunteer Marek  02:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Did Biden actually post the letter?
This article seems to very credulously claim the President Biden personally posted this letter, at a time when he is widely known to have dementia and also reportedly in isolation sick with COVID, and after stating numerous times that he had no intention of withdrawing from the race. He tweeted numerous times during the debate which indicates that someone else controls his X account. Shouldn’t we wait until Biden personally gives a statement before definitively stating that he personally withdrew from the election? rdl381 (talk) 03:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Came here to express this exact sentiment. For all we know, Joseph R Biden has been arrested and executed – at the very least, there is good reason to suspect that the post went up on X without his cognizance. Many are questioning the means and possible motives, and that this letter is being taken at face value is absurd. The DNC speaking for Biden while he is trapped in his vacation home in Delaware comes from the same playbook as the politburo speaking for Gorbachev while he was isolated in his dacha in the Crimea. We may well be watching a color revolution play out in real time, and Wikipedia must take greater care to maintain NPOV. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 03:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Good lord. I genuinely can't tell is this is some intellectually advanced form of sarcasm or if you are dead serious. Either way, this was 100% the best possible response to rdl381's statement. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 04:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * It might be the case that I can't tell either but until we get proof of life it can't hurt to play it safe. It's not like the article loses anything by implicitly allowing for the fact it does seem odd that a sitting president would choose to end a re-election campaign via a post on X. AVNOJ1989 (talk) 04:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm on the floor laughing right now, I had no idea that an "Is Biden Still Alive" website actually exists (LMAO). Anyways, I need sleep. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 04:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @Rdl381
 * There is no proof Biden has dementia, him stumbling his words is just a symptom of being old. MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 04:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * What exactly is the difference? rdl381 (talk) 04:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

A better title would be beneficial
The current title is very long and cumbersome. This article could benefit from a shorter and more concise title. Something like 2024 Joe Biden Campaign Withdrawal would be much better. Tomhol811 (talk) 04:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Agree. Procyon117 (talk) 05:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I also agree. MaximumMangoCloset (talk) 05:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Agree in general. But maybe something like Joe Biden's withdrawal from 2024 United States Presidential Election could also be a better title in general. Of course that's not much shorter than the original title lol. NewishIdeas (talk) 06:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

irrelevant
Re and  : What does Trump's call with Zelensky have to do with the subject matter of the article? — hako9 (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Don't you think it's a great coincidence and result, driving by Mr. Zelensky? TinaLees-Jones (talk) 07:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think a lot of things, but I keep it to myself unless I find reliable sources to back them. — hako9 (talk) 07:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)