Talk:Without Me (Halsey song)

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EBSCO provides a scholarly source explaining the effects the release of the music video had on the popularity of the single. Tmcain1 (talk) 02:30, 24 November 2018 (UTC)-

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Capitol Congress summit - 15 million globally adjusted
It was announced at a Capitol Congress summit on August 8th, that "Without Me" "is at 15 million global adjusted tracks" by Steve Barnett, Capitol Music Group's Chairman and CEO. Sawhitney36 (talk) 13:18, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Manic
Because Binksternet thinks he is so smart, he decided that this song isn't on Manic, even though it literally is. I don't know where he got this from, but now he has concluded to reverting with no edit summary (which is against the rules, unless the edit is vandalism). Album pre-order with "Without Me" on it. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 17:41, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is based on WP:SECONDARY sources, as you well know. Binksternet (talk) 17:44, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * One Popcrush article saying "Without Me" is a standalone single does not override the fact that the song is on the album. Release date is irrelevant. And of course ignore the fact that you violated Wikipedia rules. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 18:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You are making shit up. You are saying that the song was released as the lead single from an album that didn't exist at the time. Pure fabrication. The truth is that the song was released as an independent single, and was (much later) said to be on the conjectural tracklist of the as-yet-unreleased album. You should be ashamed of yourself. Binksternet (talk) 23:03, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Excuse me. Looks like someone needs to read WP:CIVIL. You should be ashamed of yourself. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * No remorse, eh? You feel free to fabricate? Not on this Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 23:48, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Remorse for what? I never made anything up. You should be the one regretting your words. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 03:08, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * You wrote that "Without Me" was released as the lead single of Manic, which is a false statement made up by you. You are creating your own reality here, erasing what really happened. "Without Me" was released as a non-album single last year, long before any announcement that Manic was on the way next year. And even Manic is not fully confirmed in its tracklist. Binksternet (talk) 03:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's probably because it's a single that is on the album Manic, and happens to be the first one released. Pretty straight forward. And it is confirmed to be on the track list, it is the ninth song on the album (see the pre-order on iTunes) And usually the lead single is announced before the album, so that is a completely irrelevant piece of information. And I don't remember Halsey specifically stating that "Without Me" is not the lead single and that "Graveyard" is. Oh, wait, she didn't! So until confirmation, it should be kept the way it is on Wikipedia. Also, it isn't a "non-album single" when it's literally on an album. Not a deluxe edition, not a Japan edition, literally on the actual standard album. The album was confirmed in December 2018, by the way. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 03:45, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * A song that was released as an independent single will forever have no album listed in the infobox. If the song is later included on an album, then we certainly should tell that to the reader. But the song's release situation stands as a historic fact.
 * Lots of examples of this exist, for instance "I Feel Fine" by the Beatles which was included on Beatles '65. Binksternet (talk) 17:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * But there is examples for the other way too, like "Take Me Home" on Blood, Sweat & 3 Years. The song and album were released three years apart. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 18:10, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I would count that as a Wikipedia mistake. Somebody should fix it. Binksternet (talk) 23:00, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Even so, there is also "Be the One" (2015), the lead single from Dua Lipa (2017). Billiekhalidfan (talk) 03:09, 15 September 2019 (UTC)