Talk:Wizard (character class)

A mage, a wizard, and a sorcerer are NOT the same thing, please expand this article so it may define their differences. -Unknown (moved to discussion) 18:18, 17 March 2007 (EST)
 * They are generally synonymous, are they not? - Emerald Melios 12:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

This page should follow the model of the other (character class) pages, and discuss the generic role-playing game wizard. There is already a disambiguation page for wizards, wizard, so I will make a game section there, and put there content of this page in that. -AndyBQ 02:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Mage (character class) should be created or redirect to this page.85.166.102.198 19:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect created. Taemyr 21:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Why is this page all about video games? Wizards were in a lot of historical literature and cultures.

This page is called "Wizard(character class)". The wizard disambiguation page is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard and can be used to find information on any other sort of Wizard, such as those in literature and culture. Bclare (talk) 05:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed recently added content
I've removed the following recently-added content:


 * Mages


 * Mages are magic users who possess the power of magic inside them. As described by Tamora Pierce in WolfSpeaker, "Daine reached inside herself, looking for the copper fire, her magic". Common ways mages transfer their magic into energy is by using their hands or mind.


 * Witches/ Wizards


 * Witches or Wizards are Magic users who use things such as spells, gems, potions, plants, animals and wands to convert their magic into energy. Some famous wizards/witches: Harry Potter, The Wicked witch of the west, and Gandalf of  The Lord of the Rings. More popular magic converters are: wands, potions, and spells.


 * Sorcerers/ Sorceressess


 * Sorcerers, unlike Mages and wizards, do not directly possess the Magic. Instead, they use demons and spirits to draw their energy from. Sorcerers can also possess a spirit to work from within. Some believe that Sorcerers are born when lighning strikes marble.

This is covered in other articles and doesn't seem to be directly relevant to Wizard as a character class in gaming. --Tony Sidaway 07:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Which other articles are they covered in? SharkD (talk) 00:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The statements in question are inaccurate generalizations. In some settings, mage, witch / wizard and sorcerer / sorcesess are synonyms, while in others, wizard and witch are gender-neutral terms for two different types of magic users. In D&D 4th edition, warlocks gain their magic through pacts with otherworldly beings, wizards gain their powers through study, sorcerers can gain their powers through innate ability, training or a combination of the two and all three classes use spells and magical tools known as implements. Also, Gandalf is referred to as a wizard in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, however his style of magic seems closer to the mage description than the witch / wizard description. Furthermore, in some games with tiered class systems, mage, sorcerer / sorceress and witch / wizard could occupy different spaces on the same class tree (for example in EverQuest II, a wizard is one of two types of specialized sorcerers, and a sorcerer is one of three types of specialized mages). -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 10:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I suggest Spell-caster (gaming) be merged with this article. SharkD (talk) 00:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge: Seems reasonable to me. Both articles cover the same subject, magic-users in games. AndyBQ (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Spellcaster is a loose term for all sorts of Magic Users in RPGs, not just wizards. Just a username (talk) 14:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep: Wizards are a subset of spellcasters, but they're also a fairly common class archetype. -- Gordon Ecker (talk) 22:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

D&D paragraph
This should distinguish that it's specifically about 3rd edition D&D; as of yet there isn't a Sorcerer class in the newer 4th edition rules. Perhaps that could be mentioned also
 * Good point. Plus there are new wizardly subclasses and prestige classes in 4th that could also be mentioned. 12.233.146.130 (talk) 23:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems there is no longer a D&D paragraph in this article nor any other reference to D&D in this article. Considering that D&D is the prototype for *all* magic-using 'character classes', everywhere, for all time, this omission is a very serious one and constitutes a serious failure and a blemish on this article rendering it an embarrassment to Wikipedia. I'm not going to do it myself but somebody needs to either bring back the D&D stuff or just delete this article altogether. 69.196.171.111 (talk) 23:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * No, it was vandalized away in June 2010‎. I'm simply going to reinsert it now. JöG (talk) 21:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Challenging a statement
Here's the statement:
 * In Guild Wars, Elementalists fill the role as wizards, focusing on fire, air, water and earth spells.

Hmm, really? And what are Necromancers, Mesmers, and Ritualists then? All four professions represent the traditional wizard archetype, with different specializations. The only aspect that is exemplified solely by the Elementalist is the direct-damage area nuker, although Necromancers also have a limited nuke capability. The other three specialize in pets, drains, snares, roots, etc., and there is a bit of overlap amongst the four of them. I suspect this statement was added by someone who has limited knowledge of Guild Wars. Change or strike? 12.233.146.130 (talk) 23:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Ragnarok's type of wizards
Is removed. This is not a game guide. Please be more general.

116.50.179.170 (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)