Talk:Women's Prize for Fiction

Attribution
-- Green Cardamom (talk) 19:26, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

British
If I clerk correctly, (books written by) UK British women have won only four of the first 18 prizes, including the first one. British Commonwealth women have won more, of course, including the first three. An American women and evident U.S. resident won the fourth one with an American theme.

(quote infobox) "Awarded for: Best full-length novel written in English by a woman of any nationality"

The text should make clear whether "any nationality" is an original specification.

We call it a British award (is the panel entirely British? are books nominated by British publishers?). We say the book must be published in Britain (first published, or simultaneously, or nearly-simultaneously? is this an original specification?).

We say the Orange Prize for Fiction's "50 Essential Reads by Contemporary Authors" is restricted to UK writers (right? that's an intriguing contrast).

Given the controversy about restriction to women, it's remarkable if no one has observed that other British awards were restricted to British writers (UK, Commonwealth, British subject --I don't know details for any but some children's literature awards). List of Baileys Women's Prize for Fiction winners provides some history that is not in this ostensibly main article. There we say this prize was estab'd "in reaction to the all-male shortlist for the 1991 Man Booker Prize". And "BBC suggests that the prize forms part of the "trinity" of UK literary prizes, along with the Man Booker Prize and the Costa Book Awards." From our linked articles I infer, those two awards have sheltered British-plus writers (of any gender) from foreign competition, perhaps continuously from 1969 and 1971 respectively. Substantially this paragraph may be irrelevant to improving the article (if sources say nothing about it), but the oddity underlined is worth attention anyway.

--P64 (talk) 20:48, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Those are all good questions and insights. I do not have a ready answer but it is worth researching and expanding on. I agree that there is also content in the list-article that belongs in the main-article that should be moved here. --  Green  C  14:30, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, originally we had a single list article which covered everything about the prize as well. This was then split off awkwardly into a lacking "main" article and the existing featured list.  This forking needn't have happened, but it did. If you wish to "copy" text from the list article to this article, please ensure you attribute it correctly.  And if you wish to expand this article, of course you're welcome.  The majority of the issues you have with the phrasing arise from the entry criteria being written about based on the Prize organisers themselves.  If other, equally reliable sources exist to answer your queries, I'd be delighted to see them incorporated. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Every award has a main-article, and if wanted, a list-article containing the honourees. See Nobel Prize in Literature (main-article) and List of Nobel laureates in Literature (list-article featured). In this case, the lead section of List of Baileys Women's Prize for Fiction winners should be trimmed down to a few paragraphs of essential information - as in the Nobel example - and most of the content moved into this article to avoid a WP:CFORK, with appropriate attribution as mentioned above. --  Green  C  15:26, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Of course, "Every award has a main-article" is completely untrue. But don't let that get in the way of a good story. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:23, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Official websites
I doubt that reliance on the current Bailey's site rather than the older Orange site(s) has been the cause of much shortcoming here, because the Orange site was retired only last year and most of our material is older than that. But these links may be useful to anyone who will work on these Orange/etc articles--including writer and book articles for previous winners.

Orange Prize for Fiction homepage at the Internet Archive — first archived 2002-06, last archived 2013-02. Generally the archive copy of the homepage for any date includes links to the contemporary subpages. So the horizontal timeline at the top of this page is a point of entry to whatever coverage Orange provided online back to 2002 or so. (Perhaps that means from the time domain orangeprize.co.uk was in use? I don't know how to find where or whether the Orange Prize was elsewhere online prior to 2002.)

The Tiger's Wife (References) — our book article for the 2011 prize winner. Last week I replaced one dead link with two links to 2011 archives, one by Orange and one that Bailey's provides now in retrospect. At the moment those are References #9-10.

I don't expect to work on this prize myself--except incidentally, as for that book article last week. --P64 (talk) 19:51, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I don't expect anyone else to work on this prize either.  That's a shame though, easy to give advice, much more difficult to actually put in the hard labour.  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:54, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

2018 prize
The 2018 prize is launched in the autumn of 2017. The prize calendar year runs from the launch. not the chronological year. The new name takes effect with the start of the 2018 prize year. Can also be seen at the website which no longer carries the Baileys sponsorship (except for the historical data)- Baileys sponsorship ended with the 2017 winner the new sponsors took over from there, the name has changed. --  Green  C  03:07, 1 November 2017 (UTC)