Talk:Women in Latin music/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Jburlinson (talk · contribs) 02:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I'll be glad to review this article. I'm sorry you've had to wait so long for a response to your nomination. Comments to follow in the next 1-5 days. Thanks in advance for all your work!--Jburlinson (talk) 02:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will be waiting. Best – jona  ✉ 23:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Review is on-hold for a week pending response to this initial version.--Jburlinson (talk) 01:58, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Rocío Jurado is mentioned in the article. There are just so many women in Latin music that it will never be satisfied. I only wrote on women whom has/had a constant presence on books during my initial findings when writing this article. Anyone is open to edit the article and add/expand on a certain genre, period, or a musician not covered in this article. If I applied every female Latin singer, then this article would be labeled as being excessive. Plus, I never heard most of the women you have mentioned which is probably why they were not included (or were but with very little coverage) in the books I searched in. Also, statements in the lead do not require a source unless it is likely to be challenged. I can't spot anything in the lead that would be challenged by a reader. Best – jona  ✉ 15:03, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. re: citing quotations in the lead -- please see WP:CS, where it says: "Wikipedia's Verifiability policy requires inline citations for any material challenged or likely to be challenged, and for all quotations, anywhere in article space."  (Bold emphasis added.)  The lead is part of article space, so quotations must be cited, according to this, whether or not they might be challenged.
 * I agree that it would never be possible to list all latin women singers in this or any article. It is not necessary for you to do so for this article to attain GA status.  My comment in 3a  of the table above, however, was more about gaps in genres and/or nationalities, as opposed to individual artists.  Regarding Spain, for instance, the article contains historical material concerning Latin American music, which is good, in that it broadens the topic to cover not just the 20th/21st century. There is no corresponding material concerning Spain or Portugal, however.  At least in the case of Spain, there is a rich pre-20th century musical history that includes accomplishments by notable women.  Similarly, in the 20th century, there were genres and periods that involved significant female artists.  In my view, a GA level article on "latin" music would provide the balance necessary to cover the European perspective more thoroughly, especially considering the relatively exhaustive coverage of Latin American music.  Finally, the absence of a mention of Carmen Miranda is startling, since this Brazilian singer became the most globally recognizable female latin performer in the mid-20th Century, even though her Hollywood celebrity persona was somewhat on the comic side. I acknowledge that you may not be familiar with some of the names or genres that I mentioned, but, with respect, that does not mean that they do not have significance to this topic.
 * I'm inclined to fail the article at this point, despite the fact that it contains much good material, is well-organized, and, on the whole, well-written. If you believe that you haven't received a fair review, please feel free to re-nominate the article; although, again, I would counsel you consider broadening its scope to cover more of the European scene. I know this would require extra research, but I feel it would be necessary to achieve the breadth of coverage required for a GA article.  An alternative might be to re-title the article "Women in Latin American Music", and focus exclusively on that. If you'd consider that worthwhile, I'd recommend broaching it on the talk page to give other editors a chance to weigh in.  I want to thank you for your hard work on this article and your commitment to improving Wikipedia.  All the best.--Jburlinson (talk) 01:11, 13 June 2018 (UTC)