Talk:Women in The Lord of the Rings

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A long article on female characters in LotR without mentioning Lobelia Sackville-Baggins in name? 95.222.225.90 (talk) 13:23, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid we're largely constrained to what the scholars have written about, and she's neither a central character nor their choice. Tom Shippey says little about the S.-B.s except that their surname is "a failure of tone", i.e. a bit of Oxford jokiness that sits ill and anachronistically with the rest of Middle-earth. If I see anything usable I'll mention it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:20, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Lobelia is finally in the prose. Scholarly articles are very helpful to build and sustain Wikipedia articles of course, but pretty much any secondary sources vetted as reliable by the Wikipedia community can be considered for inclusion. Chiswick Chap is correct however, that Lobelia isn’t widely discussed within the context of this topic, most of the critical discourse is generally about Galadriel, Arwen, Éowyn, and occasionally Shelob or Goldberry. My own observation and opinion is that Lobelia’s behavior is not actually gender-specific unlike many of Tolkien’s female characters (a male character could have had her role and lines and the reader would be none the wiser), which can be interpreted in a both positive and negative manner. Haleth (talk) 02:46, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm awaiting Perilous and Fair: Women in the Works and Life of J. R. R. Tolkien which should lend some academic clout to the article. The essays cover everyone from Luthien to Arwen, though I'm not sure the hobbit-women get much of a look-in. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:13, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Just got a copy myself. Still in the middle of it, very interesting read, it talks about much more beyond LOTR too. Haleth (talk) 05:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)