Talk:Women in brewing/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 18:57, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

I said I would review, so I will. There doesn't seem to be much work required to reach GA status, and hopefully I'll enjoy this review as much as Talk:Beer in San Diego County, California/GA1. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  18:57, 21 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Do we know why women started to be barred from brewing in the 18th century? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  19:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * They started to be barred with the evolution of guilds, but by the time industrialization began, as they were typically barred from business enterprises, they were fully pushed out. SusunW (talk) 20:07, 21 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The sentence about Yi Di comes before the bit about Jiahu grog, but the latter dates back to at least 7000BC, while the former is (according to the source) based around 2100BC. Shouldn't we switch this so it comes in chronological order? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:51, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ SusunW (talk) 21:12, 21 September 2018 (UTC)


 * "Yasigi, who is often depicted dancing with a beer ladle to symbolize her role of distributing the beer made by women in ceremonial gatherings" - I can't find which part of the sources mentions dancing with a beer ladle specifically Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:07, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Kohn, p 23: "In Dogon mythology, Yasigi, the goddess of beer, dance and masks, is depicted in statues holding a beer ladle while dancing" in Hackett, p 38: "…The female figure on the mask is Yasigi, the female twin of Ogo before he became the Fox. The fundamental, ancestral role of the woman is signified by the calabash in her hand which recalls how she distributed beer made by the women at the celebration of the first sigi". (ritual) SusunW (talk) 14:23, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * "In the decades before the Black Death in Europe, many households required a large amount of ale" - can we explain why that was the case? I assume lack of clean drinking water meant that beer was safer. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:16, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ SusunW (talk) 14:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The narrative takes us up to the alewifes of the middle ages and beyond, then in the next paragraph it jumps back to the Maya civilisations in 1600BC. Shouldn't this be chronologically ordered? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:43, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ SusunW (talk) 15:09, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * What are "girls' puberty rights"? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:45, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure I can answer that from the sources given. Abbott (p 4) says "Tiswin was used primarily to mediate social and secular relationships", whatever that means. Medicine (p 18) says "This group (White Mountain Apache) still brews an aboriginal maize drink, tiswin or tulapai, for certain ritual events such as the girl's puberty ceremony". Okay, never mind, I found a source and will add info. SusunW (talk) 15:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * "The main obstacles that women continue to face..." - who is this quotation supposed to be attributed to? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ SusunW (talk) 15:46, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm a little confused as to the context behind the "Women in beer" photograph - what are they celebrating exactly? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:49, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well you know, I am not the photo expert, but googling them, they all work in the beer industry in Oregon and then following the photo links, they were apparently interviewed in a podcast. I changed the photo caption. SusunW (talk) 19:11, 22 September 2018 (UTC)


 * "Perhaps the most noted German brewster" ... "who has been plying her craft at Mallersdorf Abbey" - this sounds awfully POV, noted for what and in whose opinion? Can we tone this down a bit? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:50, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ SusunW (talk) 19:13, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I think that's just about everything, so I'll pass the review now. Well done! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:15, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you appreciate your evaluation and efforts to help improve the article. It was a fun one for  and I to work on. :) SusunW (talk) 19:22, 22 September 2018 (UTC)