Talk:Women in music

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Accurate article title vs. advocacy
While I firmly agree that the music industry appears to have been incredibly sexist and women are not proportionately represented in leadership roles, the entire lede smacks of activism, almost to the point of WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. The title of the article implies that it is documenting women's contributions, rather than what would be ideal or in line with social justice.

However, if this article was titled something along the lines of "Sexism and gender discrimination in the music industry" that content in the lede might be entirely appropriate (if well sourced) - and it could be expanded beyond the gender binary.

I think we either need to rename the article or change it to just documenting women who are or have been in the music industry. Personally, I'd prefer the former, as sexism in any industry is both real and a big deal. Toddst1 (talk) 20:49, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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Things i disagree with
I think the page has been edited few times by somoeone who just likes few artists (see Bjork, Lady Gaga) and he keeps mentioning them, instead of paying attention to women who impacted the music industry the most, like Madonna, Aretha Franklin, Carole King etc. That's the point of the page.

I also think the list of women mentioned here should be based in their career sales, impact, infulence and success, and not in random yearly earnings. There are more notable pop women than Jennifer Lopez, Shakira, Adele etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny Gnecco (talk • contribs) 21:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree, Kate Bush is not listed, She has been mentioned like an influence for many singers Artixi (talk) 02:34, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Link for Women in Music Pt. III
On the front of the page, can please there be a link for this at the "For the..." thing? 68.50.116.194 (talk) 19:53, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Ironically, Haim is a group of women (who make Music). 68.50.116.194 (talk) 19:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm asking this after literally 359 days and it still has not happened. I have not proceeded to do so myself as I do not have the experience. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 02:36, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Studio Musicians
Reading the sentence about how Esperanza Spalding "showed, to thousands of people, a woman working confidently within the male dominated space of a recording studio." infuriates me. Especially since the music business, in addition to its racial and gender disparity is full of nameless contract workers, being "in the band" but not in the band. Women have always had such jobs and deserve being mentioned in this article. To start the list, lest we forget on whose shoulders we stand today: Session Bassist Carol Kaye. And to add some interesting sources to other "unknowns":  and  2003:CA:3F0C:7366:39B9:834D:4897:E6ED (talk) 11:23, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Women in the business side of the music business
In looking through all the sections of this article, I'm not finding a section specifically for women executives in the business side of the music business - executives in labels, publishing, and management. The lack of women in these roles has been brought out in multiple research studies and news articles, and the industry itself has recognized the issue, but little has changed over decades.

In 1982, Cosmopolitan published an article on Women in the business side of the Music Business, which found that, "For the first time, women are pioneering in the zany competitive, and very lucrative pop-record industry...". . Only a few women executives were included in the chapter about women in the business side of the music industry in the encyclopedic book, She Bop: The Definitive History of Women in Rock, Pop and Soul, which primarily focused on women musicians and vocalists.

The New York Times reported in an article titled, "For Women in Music, Equality Remains Out of Reach" from March 8th, 2021, “Three years ago, an academic tallied up the performers, producers and songwriters behind hit songs, and found that women’s representation fell on a scale between, roughly, poor and abysmal.

Despite the gains in the 1970s and 1980s, the lack of women senior executives in the music business is still an issue today, according to an 2021 Annenberg study, "...across 70 major and independent music companies... 13.9% were women". Women fare far better outside the music industry; according to a 2021 report by U.S. News & World Report, “Women held 31.7% of top executive positions across all industries…”

I hope that adding a section on this topic will help raise the visibility of the problem - and hopefully will encourage companies to address it. Let me know your thoughts. Ellis408 (talk) 07:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC) Ellis408 (talk) 07:38, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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