Talk:Woodhaven, Queens/Archive 1

Below issues have already been settled
The issues discussed below have already been settled. The article is very accurate now. The only verification that is needed is the elevation.

-Many are claiming that Forest Park is partially part of Woodhaven, and other's say that it is just a remote park.

Please parse
Somebody keeps inserting the following. It strikes me as barely Engligh.
 * The convenience from schools to transportation to community involvement and park recreation in Woodhaven serves most of the well-known features in this neighborhood.

I have tried to rephrase it as:
 * Schools, transportation, and park recreation are convenient.

But, if I am missing something, please tell me how to parse it --JimWae (talk) 20:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Socio-economic mix
The same person reinserted:
 * Woodhaven ... is home to a mix of middle to upper-class residents, mostly a middle-income neighborhood in the New York City borough of Queens. ... It ia [sic] among the most socio-economically diverse communities in Queens.

It apears these statements are contradicting each other - if it mostly middle, how is it among the most mixed? Additionally, statements of this type need sources --JimWae (talk) 20:59, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Other problems
The version this self-professed "historian for the borough of Queens" wants to reinsert also: --JimWae (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) presents the borders TWICE in the lede without mentioning the western border
 * 2) discusses, in the lede, a store that no longer exists. This is an international encyclopedia, not a neighborhood newspaper. Somebody's favorite by-gone store MIGHT fit in the body - but not in the lede.
 * 3) prefers "Now that the tracks are gone". They've been gone for about 60 years. Again, this is an international encyclopedia, not a neighborhood newspaper.
 * 4) thinks one of several former names should go in the first sentence (Centerville, Unionville, Union Course were also names for the general area)
 * 5) In the history section, wishes to discuss events of the 1860s prior to events in the 1830s

Look at a map & stop making things up
http://www.queensbp.org/content_web/map_boundaries.htm clearly shows Woodhaven is in WESTERN Queens & one must go through AT LEAST FOUR neighborhoods to get to Nassau - but NONE to get to Brooklyn

Atlantic Avenue still appears on maps as far east as Carle Place - next to the Main Line of the LIRR. It is Jamaica Ave that becomes Jericho Tpke. For someone who claims to be "a historian for the borough of Queens", you show little inclination to check anything before publishing it. --JimWae (talk) 06:53, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Woodhaven is NOT a village, is NOT adjacent to JFK, and JFK is neither in Nassau nor adjacent to it. JFK is the widest region on the map & even if Woodhaven WERE adjacent to it, that would not indicate naything about its being east or west. Why do you NOT want to include any mention of the western border of Woodhaven? Your conduct, besides approaching bizarre, is detrimental to the writing of an encyclopedia. --JimWae (talk) 07:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Woodhaven boundaries
The map link is the best indication of the boundaries. YES, it USED to be MUCH larger, but it is not now. The article could mention that - but it cannot claim it presently is larger than it is YES, the offices of Forest Park are served by the Woodhaven Post Office. The boundaries of Queens neighborhoods are not determined by post office boundaries. Park could put Queens, NY -- or Jamaica, NY -- or St. Albans, NY & they would still get the mail. Aqueduct Racetrack uses Jamaica PO address - but it is definitely not in the Jamaica nieghborhood --JimWae (talk) 03:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

IF our article is to be believed, Forest Park is north of Woodhaven - hence it is not IN Woodhaven--JimWae (talk) 06:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

MOSTLY residential
If we do not say "mostly residential", people might think ENTIRELY - like maybe an exclusive enclave in Jamaica Estates or Forest Hills Gardens, Queens. Woodhaven is not ENTIRELY residential, AND we have not verified there is NO light industry. There is nothing lost by saying "mostly", and actually it intensifies that it is not highly commercial area, nor recreational (like Rockaways). Long Island City also is a residential neighborhood -- since SOME people live there. However, one could not properly say it was mostly residential. --JimWae (talk) 03:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Forest Park
YES "Woodhaven's major recreational park is Forest Park." BUT other neighborhoods claim it also--JimWae (talk) 03:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)