Talk:Woodland Critter Christmas

The Lion King reference
In this episode, the mother mountain lion falling from the cliff is similar to how Mufasa dies in The Lion King.

Rabbit Pregnancy
I removed the following bullet point: It's interesting, but I doubt the TV show is referencing that. The creators also don't mention it on the commentary or in the episode. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.48.37 (talk) 01:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * In the blood orgy scene celebrating Porcupiny's pregnancy and the death of the Mountain Lion, the critters sacrifice Rabbitty. This is in reference to a rabbit test where after confirming a pregnancy, "the rabbit dies".

Immaculate Conception
I fail to see how the bit that "God would never have sex with a porcupine" should link to zoophilia. Firstly, while Christians might find it in poor taste, the idea that God impregnated Mary through intercourse is a common idea, hence I feel it should link to the article on immaculate conception. Secondly, the subject here is God, who's supposed to be the creator of all things and is not a human, and so I fail to see how such a thing is a reference to zoophilia. Personally, I feel that the "sex with a porcupine" bit is a subtle crack at hirsute women, implying that Mary was not. I'm sure there are people out there that find such references to be in poor taste, but then, those same people probably wouldn't enjoy South Park lest they be hypocrits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.254.181.174 (talk) 09:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

You are an idiot, try reading the bible before you blast yourself on the internet. There was no incorrect reference, and are you serious in stating that you believe the reference was to the birth of Mary? You are a poster child for abortion, and I really do detest your existence on this planet and all like you who are the origin of the TV show "street smarts"... J. Huber —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.121.133 (talk) 05:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Immaculate Conception 2
I think it's a moot point as the immaculate conception refers to the birth of Mary rather than the Messiah. The writers incorrectly referenced it in the episode - H. Carr

"Blood-red moon" Biblical reference
I've removed the line under "Cultural references" that refers to a blood-red moon. The celestial body in question appears toward the end of the episode, and is explicitly identified as "a new star in the sky". If you look closely, you can see that it is an upside-down star inside a circle, a common Satanic symbol. -Juansmith (talk) 09:07, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Influences?
Does anybody know where they got the influence for this ep. from? My god that was a weird show.

The red eyes of the lion in the forest and in the cave, could that be a nod to the neverending story movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * Wherever they got the idea, damn it was funny. I love the music. Is the song that keeps reiterating that christmas is once a year a real song or was it made for the episode?

Regarding Kyle's, "death."
"This is the first episode Kyle dies (though it was just in Cartman's story)."

Would the episode Grey Dawn count as another part where Kyle, "dies," even though it was just Cartman's plan to stopping the old people count? I mean if this episode counts towards a death to Kyle even though it was just in a story, wouldn't a plan count as well? MoonSoo 07:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

"A story about evil killer animals may be a reference to the popular internet cartoon, Happy Tree Friends."
The Happy Tree Friends aren't really evil, silly! Only Flippy the war veteran bear kills anyone on purpose, and that's because he's really emotionally screwed from being in 'Nam. Well, I suppose it might be a reference, though.

Spoofs
Perhaps also a parody of The Grinch who stole Christamass (with the ryme and all). Redge(Talk) 16:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it seems most likely a general spoof of children's christmas stories. Not one of any specific story in particular. The narrator is no more a reference to the one from the grinch story than deery is to bambi. --Anarchy_Balsac
 * Not so much "grinch", but Dr. Seuss' rhyming scheme in general, I'd say.-65.122.209.147 10:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Half-Life "reference"
I've noticed the same dramatic brass flourish used not only in several South Park episodes (including this one), but in a few commercials as well (one of them a recent Aflac ad, IIRC). I have a feeling this might be a case of several different projects using the same public domain sound/musical effect.

In any case, I'm pretty sure the HL track itself is not used in the episode, so I'm removing the corresponding entry from the trivia section. NighTrekr 19:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Looks like somebody put it back. For what it's worth, this is almost certainly what's meant by the Elder Scrolls entry as well. It seems a fair bet that the "Adrenaline Horror" reference would've been intentional, but the TES "reference" is certainly a stretch. I'll leave it be, though. --Edwin Herdman 04:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Goof?
"It is said that Porcupiney is a virgin, but has also had sex with Satan."

Correct me if Im wrong but wouldnt the clash of virginity and sex be whats intended. While watching it, I took that as a reference to Christianity and the whole Virgin Mary thing and given the context of the show, I find such a reference to be perfectly possible. So, I doubt the event described above is a goof and I think it should be erased.

Aslan?
In Cultural References, "The lion being killed and later resurrected is similar to Aslan in The Chronicles of Narnia."

But to me it seems any similarity is only accidental. The only similarity I see is that the lion is on a stone (like Aslan was, in the movie). But, the dissimilarities are: (1) in Chronicles of Narnia, Aslan resurrects on his own&mdash;i.e. "resurrects", not "resurrected"; (2) Aslan is a male lion with manes, not a mother lion; (3) Aslan is resurrected before the bulk of the action (i.e. the battle with the witch), not after.

Unless there's a strong evidence that the creators meant to reference Chronicles of Narnia (in which case, I don't think they did a good job), I think it should be removed.
 * As far as I recall Arslan is simply the word for Lion in Turkish. There are possibly many lion characters with that name. 84.75.17.5 (talk) 23:14, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

characters
Who did the voices for the characters? did they bring in celebs or was it just standard casting?

Uncited material
Cite then return to the main article; Alastairward (talk) 14:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The character designs of the woodland critters is meant to spoof the overly cute look of animals from the stop motion Rankin/Bass holiday specials of the 1960s and 1970s.
 * When Cartman goes to continue reading his Christmas story, there is the sound of a book opening, the same sound clip used in both the Baldur's Gate, and the Elder Scrolls series.
 * Initially the animals claim Porcupiny was a virgin when the Savior was conceived; later they claim Satan had sex with her to conceive the Antichrist. They also refer to the conception as "immaculate", confusing the Immaculate Conception of Mary with Jesus' Virgin Birth.
 * According to the South Park commentary with Matt Stone and Trey Parker, the blood orgy is a reference to the science fiction film Event Horizon.
 * The scene where the mountain lion falls off the cliff resembles a similar scene in The Lion King.
 * When the animals use their Satanic powers, "Ave Satani" ("Hail Satan," the theme song to The Omen) plays in the background.
 * When Santa Claus draws a shotgun and begins firing on the critters, the music of "Adrenaline Horror" from the Half-Life soundtrack plays briefly.
 * When Stan is watching TV, The Jeffersons theme song is playing.