Talk:Woody Herman

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This article has been wikified and the wikify will be removed. KarenAnn 22:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

This article needs a lot of documentation. I expanded it, but I have to get back up sources to verify the facts. 70.114.14.25 02:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I feel the changes I made in June are not that much better than the versions of this webpage at  01:49, 7 April 2006. It needs more meat and other contributors did a better job. 70.114.14.25 00:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone have any opinions about the additions? I found two biographies from the nineties and added credited text from them to this article, to back things up. Any opinions would be helpful. 70.114.14.25 00:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Sabre Dance
When did he first record Sabre Dance? It's not even mentioned in the article... nevermind it's one of the most famous Jazz recordings ever.

It was recorded in 1948 and reached #7 that year according to Youtube (which I think we can't use as a reference on here). Sorry, I was one of the naysayers who doubted its popularity. Will try to find better reference sources.2602:30A:2C52:C170:317D:8DEB:1188:38D9 (talk) 16:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about. Sabre Dance is definitely NOT "one of the most famous Jazz recordings ever". It's not even one of the most famous recordings made by WH. The composition by Khachaturian became very popular and has been covered hundreds of times in every possible style of popular music. But WH's version is not particularly important or famous in the Jazz corpus. (LuisJ (talk) 10:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC))

I didn't understand what the person meant who said Sabre Dance is "one of the most famous Jazz recordings ever", either. You'd think Louis Armstrong's Hot Sevens and Hot Fives, or Kind of Blue by Miles Davis or Loverman by Billie Holiday or Four Brothers by Woody Herman would qualify as the "most famous recordings ever."70.114.39.22 (talk) 12:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC) Look it up online and create a discography at the end of the article 76.226.172.240 (talk) 14:45, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

First Band That Recorded For Decca
Looking back on this article, there isn't a whole lot about the first band that was a continuation of Isham Jones' band and the one that recorded for Decca. I seem to remember someone wrote about it but there were no references.Hipsterdoofus1 (talk) 01:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Spelling of father's name
If it really is 'Herrman', quite possible of course, there should be a '(sic)' after it. At the moment it just looks like a typo. Rothorpe (talk) 00:48, 19 March 2010 (UTC) An IP address editor ( 173.175.113.173 ) added comment that WH changed his name's spelling. This belongs in text, not as a misleading reference ( " ref " ). Dogru144 (talk) 16:15, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Discography
Why no Discography for Woody Herman? His recording career began in the early thirties and continued until his death in 1987. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.165.184 (talk) 16:25, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

This discography is a mess!
Any dates given should reflect the year(s) the music was recorded, not the date of any particular reissue. JaneOlds (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:11, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

What absolute rubbish! How do you treat a album in which the tracks listed were recorded over different years - decades in some cases? Well, as any intelligent person would tell you - "you can't". In very many cases you just don't have knowledge of when a track was recorded - thus you can only list such albums by their release date, or alphabetically. Of course anyone who has ever put album details onto Wikipedia would know this, only those who haven't done so can only resort to pathetic and unhelpful comments. 81.110.17.120 (talk) 13:35, 11 February 2014 (UTC) Sometimes people get too upset on here.signed a total stranger (been there, done that, re: getting too upset)2602:30A:2C52:C170:317D:8DEB:1188:38D9 (talk) 17:08, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I think that Wikipedia discographies should show both the recording date and the (first) release date. Another Youtube reference: a lot of the recordings there show the release date only, making me think the recording was that date. In jazz at least you can get the recording date because there has been a lot of work to unearth the recording dates of the artists. The dates are available on the internet or at the local library.2602:30A:2C52:C170:317D:8DEB:1188:38D9 (talk) 16:49, 22 August 2015 (UTC) Also if there are copyright infringement issues with using discographies, use a selected discography that credits the sources. Obviously an entire prepared discography that someone else assembled should not be posted without their agreement. (As an example, the Glenn Miller discography runs about 500 printed pages. Try posting that as a Wikipedia article!) 2602:30A:2C52:C170:317D:8DEB:1188:38D9 (talk) 16:52, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Examples of Discographies on Wikipedia
Here are links to examples of two excellent approaches to constructing a useful, informative discography.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Davis_discography

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coltrane_discography

I hope you find these examples informative.

JaneOlds (talk) 17:39, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your informative response. I have looked at both examples you have listed but in reality there is no way that anyone outside of the musical profession could provide such detail for a useful discography. In addition both examples must have taken an inordinate long time to construct. I would suspect that most contributors to Wikipedia have neither that amount of knowledge nor that amount of time to create a discgraphy from scratch. Taking Woody Herman as an example, where there was no discography there are now some eighty-odd CDs listed. To create such a list in the format of the examples you have provided, would take weeks, if not months - and I very much doubt if anyone could bring together the amount of detail the examples require. Now if someone wishes to start with my list and convert it to the 'required standard' then by all means go ahead.12:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.17.120 (talk)

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Badly needed revisions to Woody Herman
Many aspects of the Woody Herman article need total revision and proper re-write. I have done this to the Stan Kenton article recently a will try to fix things in this article over the month or so.

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Golden Wedding
No mention of The Golden Wedding by Woody Herman and His Orchestra. In Australia in the 1950s, at least, it was a very popular recording, probably more so than Woodchoppers' Ball. The drum solo by Frankie Carlson was hugely influential and popularly attributed to Gene Krupa. It could be the recording made in NYC 13 February 1941. (Ref: Just Jazz ed. Sinclair Traill, Gerald Lascelles, pub. Peter Davies, London. c. 1957). Jeremy Sibson gives the date as 9 November 1940 and notes that the score was an arrangement of Jean Gabriel-Marie's 1884 La Cinquantaine by James "Jiggs" Noble  Doug butler (talk) 22:19, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Influence by rock 'n roll?
There is this claim: "By 1968, the Herman library came to be heavily influenced by rock and roll."[43] How is this so? The albums from the years, 1965 to 1973 still seem focused on jazz repertoire, with no rock tunes.Dogru144 (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, I did find an album --after the cited 1968-- in which the focus is on pop material. Heavy Exposure, Cadet Records, 1969Dogru144 (talk)