Talk:Worcester Park/Archive 1

Worcester Park is in Surrey, not Sutton.

 * According to Sutton London Borough Council Worcester Park is in the London Borough of Sutton, not Surrey. http://www.sutton.gov.uk/councilanddemocracy/council+wards/worcesterpark.htm MRSC 08:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)


 * For some weeks a property developer was advertising Worcester Park as being in "the heart of Surrey" so it appears to be a popular misconception! When I lived nearby in the 1960s the area was so unfashionable some estate agents called it West Ewell.

My Aunt has lived in Worcester Park (KT4 Postcode) since the mid '70s, and we have always thought she was in Surrey. My Dad is over there visiting her now, and he is going to have a look at her tax assessment to see if it says "Surrey" or "Sutton". Nevertheless, the link you posted looks pretty convincing, I wonder if diferent councils could be involved for different things in Worcester Park?


 * Worcester Park railway station is only a short distance from the boundary with Epsom and Ewell which is in Surrey. So someone living only just over the boundary would probably see themselves as living in Worcester Park despite not being in the London Borough of Sutton.


 * An added complication is that the KT4 postcode (and therefore the area that has "Worcester Park" as part of the address) crosses several boundaries and includes parts of the Royal Borough of Kingston upon Thames and parts of Epsom and Ewell as well as part of the London Borough of Sutton. Such discrepancies between postal and political boundaries are very common. MRSC 18:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

So *now* this is starting to make sense to me-- my Aunt probably *is* in Surrey, despite being only a short walk from Worcester Park Station, which is in Sutton! Thanks for the clarification. Sorry I didn't sign my earlier posts, I'm new to Wiki twiddling... Djmorris 20:19, 27 November 2005 (UTC)


 * No problem at all. Our sense of "where we are in the world" is derived from many sources: post towns, postcodes, names of nearest railway station, political constituencies, estate agents invention/boundary stretching etc. all play a hand in it. MRSC 20:27, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I live in Worcester Park. My address ends "Worcester Park, Surrey". My postcode starts with KT4. When voting, I vote for a candidate in the Kingston and Surbiton constituency. I can never decide, when describing where I live, whether to say it's Surrey or Greater London. It's both, I suppose. In the respects in which I'm not in Surrey, however, I'm definitely in Kingston rather than Sutton. I believe the boundary falls somewhere around the highstreet. TheJames 22:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Try using this. You may be interested to see what your full address really is according to the Royal Mail. MRSC 13:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, that just ends the address with 'WORCESTER PARK'. Apparently they aren't concerned with anything less specific. — TheJames 19:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Worcester Park has been in the county of Surrey for ever. There was a thought about includng it in "Greater London" when that was formed, but the residents objected wholeheartedly.  One must not confuse a Borough with a County.  Of course a county is no longer relevant for postal adresses, but that has never stopped Middlesex, has it? Fiddle Faddle 00:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

1606
The article said that Worcester park was named after the Earl of Worcester, "appointed in 1606". I can't make any sense of this statement, so I removed it for the time being. Can anyone figure out how to word it correctly? --Slashme 16:55, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Have a look at the source and see if it can be reworded. MRSC 17:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I have my doubts about that source: Check the dates in Edward Somerset, 4th Earl of Worcester and Henry Somerset, 1st Marquess of Worcester. Am I missing something? My knowledge of the British Peerage is a bit shaky! --Slashme 18:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I see no reason not to trust the local government source but as its not relevant to the district its ok to leave it out. MRSC 18:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

The problem here is not whether we trust the sutton website, but that either it or the Wikipedia pages on the Earls of Worcester are wrong, and we have to figure out which. I'll post a comment on those discussion pages as well, maybe someone there can shed some light on the matter. --Slashme 05:23, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Well done to User:Proteus for figuring the situation out and fixing the page! --Slashme 12:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Community
I added some figures on the ethnicities of people living in Worcester Park, seeing as reading this stub before, anyone would think that Worcester Park is made up predominantly of Nepalese people. --Hammer Raccoon 16:00, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Did the talk page need archiving?
The answer is really "No, it did not". It seems to have been archived to attempt to make a point that Worcester park is "in London", and to add the wikiproject flag.

I have no objection to facts. Equally n the talk pages I have no objection to opinions. But I do have an objection to the rewriting of history.

Worcester Park is in Both London and Surrey. The boundary runs through it. My mother lives in Worcester park, in Surrey with services provioded by Epsom and Ewell (or whatever name it's known by now). The town centre is in London.

Fiddle Faddle 07:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * How is archiving a talk page, retaining the edit history and providing a link to it rewriting history. Talk pages are for discussing improvements to articles, not about long and pointless discussions. Please be more civil in future. MRSC 07:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I apologise if you feel I was uncivil. I take a different view of lack of civility form you.  Fiddle Faddle 08:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Reinstatement of various links
I have reinstated these on the simple basis that they add citations (in one case) and local authority and notability to the article. I disagree with the interpretation of WP:NOT a directory as being relevant to the deletion, and I especially disagree with the link stated as a citation having been removed. Fiddle Faddle 19:43, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I have placed the details of this on External links on town pages for other opinions. Thanks --Nigel  (Talk) 12:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am content with this since it will, I assume, reach a consensus. Thank you  :) Fiddle Faddle 12:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Looking at the comments on External links on town pages I can see that I am wrong. That's cool, and the discussion achieved precisely what I think we both appreciate: consensus.  I see the status of the source page is not as useful as I had hoped.  The challenge is that it was, at the time, the only apparently authoritative (well obviously not now!) source for the notable residents.  Certainly I'd appreciate suggestions on better sources.  Fiddle Faddle 20:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Surrey banner
Worcester Park is in a "peculiar" location. Parts of it are London, parts are Surrey. I have added the banner alongside the London one since both projects will have an interest in this "Frontier Town" Fiddle Faddle 15:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

S3 bus route
I just want to let you know that the S3 bus route now ends at Old Malden. (TheGreenwalker (talk) 20:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC))