Talk:Workers' Power (UK)

Name: UK or Britain
The name is Workers Power Britain not Workers Power UK. User: incka
 * That is the name of the page, not the Group. Wikipedia has naming policies for pages. --Duncan 08:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the group does sometimes distinguish itself as "Workers Power Britain" (or "Workers Power (Britain)"), so it would probably make sense to use this as the title for our article. Any objections? Warofdreams talk 01:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also the name is not Workers' Power - it is Workers Power. That is the name used on the publications and the website so the URL link on wikipedia is wrong — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dantesh88 (talk • contribs) 16:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Deformed or Degenerate: Eastern Europe
Is this really the WP position on the class nature of the eastern bloc? I am skeptical. --DuncanBCS 21:48, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Absolutely right, it's nobody's position on the Eastern Bloc. Workers Power hold that they are deformed workers' states. Warofdreams talk 11:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I seem to think they had some formation about 'degenerate' workers' states. I no longer have their book, but I'll drop them a line and ask. --DuncanBCS 11:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not something I've heard about, and I've searched Google in the hope of finding something, but I can only find the term used as a synonym for degenerated workers' states. I'll be interested to hear their reply. Warofdreams talk 12:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I heard one of them saying that deformed workers states was a useless analysis as the nature of a country's current position does not depend on if it has had a period of workers' power or not. I'll find out the exact position soon as I may be leaving my current organisation and joining them. 19 Feb 07.
 * In that case, that person's disagreement may also be with the notion of political revolution. --Duncan 10:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've been reading the Degenerated Revolution. They definatly call the states degenerated rather than deformed. I have a feeling it was in the chapter Beaurocratic Revolutions and the Marxist theory of the State, or possibly at the very end of the previous chapter. --incka 17:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken. That book writes of degenerate workers' states, not degenerated workers states. See, for example, on page 74 where the document discusses the "creation of a degenrate workers' state in Cuba".--Duncan 15:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the terms degenerate and degenerated are interchangeable. What is important is the difference between deformed and degenerate/d. Deformed means there are only quantitative differences, degenerate/d means there are qualitative differences. The FI under Pablo's leadership said they were deformed because they thought Tito (and the YCP who they had sent greetings to and requested to go to their conference) and other Stalinist political parties in Eastern Europe might take a revolutionary road. Workers Power sees this as a fundamentally incorrect position that misunderstands Stalinism. They saw the Stalinists as conducting a social revolution, but that was not because they were revolutionary but because of their position in regards to imperialism in Eastern Europe. Workers Power saw the need for a political revolution against the Stalinists parties in these countries, the FI thought they these may develop an anti-USSR revolutionary road. The FI were proved wrong over Tito whose split from the USSR did not make him any less Stalinist. WP argue this was in effect beneficial to imperialism, rather than taking a revolutionary road. incka 20:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * After clarifying this with a long-time member of Workers Power, this is what I've found - the main difference was, as I said, between degenerate/d and deformed. However I was wrong to think degenerate/d are identical. They mean that the same tasks for revolutionaries presents itself in these countries (political revolution), however the difference is that the Eastern European states were seen as 'degenerate from birth' while the USSR was the only state to have 'degenerated'. I will fix the article to show this. incka 12:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Discussion on perspectives?
I'm not sure if this gives enough insight into the evolution of WP: the disputes with their international co-thinkers; the discussion on proclaiming a fifth international and so on. Any suggestions on where to start? --Duncan 21:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * They have not proclaimed a fifth international. They view one as possible, and what the anti-capitalist movement should move itself towards creating. They fight for it within the movement, hence there name, the League FOR THE Fifth International. The latest copy of their journal, Fifth International, has Dave Stocking discussing it. --incka 17:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

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