Talk:Working time/Archives/2016

Needs attention from an unbiased expert
I wish I had time to have a better look at this article, but it seems biased in favor of decreasing working hours, in particular facilitated by technology. This is historically and currently not what technology has enabled. Loads of references elswhere talk about the trend in decreasing hours since the industrial revolution reversing in the 1970s. I wish I had time to search out decent references but I am afraid I do not. The handful of statistics and sources I have tried to look up in this article have thrown up dud links. I think something is going on here, but I don't know what. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James Sp8der (talk • contribs) 16:07, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Rewrite to Avoid Pro and Con List
As part of Wikipedia's neutral tone policiy, tables featuring pros and cons are suggested to be avoided. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pro_and_con_lists for more details. This article could use a restructuring that removes the table and incorporates relevant information into the article properly. 121.99.60.155 (talk) 10:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed the section because it was WP:Original research based on a government document. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:25, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

10 days holiday time in US?
This is actually a myth - the average is closer to 17. Unless you have a stingy employer, 10 days is usually reserved only for probationary employees or the first 2 years max. In some industries like health care, 20 days for vacation and 5 for sick leave is not uncommon. Wikipedia should be based on fact not popular perception, let alone reinforce incorrect popular perceptions. 12.0.70.131 (talk) 23:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Anybody can edit this article. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:26, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Do Hours Include Breaks?
In Taiwan, the definition of 8 hours working time meaning solid 8 hours, excluding lunch break. Isn't it same in the US? I have worked in the US for two fairly big size employers, one having 5000 employees, the other 18000. The working hours were all 8 to 5. Is lunch hour really considered working hour?無聲 (talk) 10:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Working hours are hours worked, excluding meals, but including break times (usually twice a day for 10 or possibly 15 minutes each). My observation, unsourced. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 22:27, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hours in the US always include break times (which I believe are based on US law requiring 15 minutes every 3 hours?). However, they may or may not include meal breaks, depending on the employer. Most of the time, hourly paid employees are not permitted to include lunch time, but salaried employees frequently refer to their 8-hour work day from 9 to 5, including the lunch break. My observation, unsourced. This difference in accounting probably obscures a significant difference in the amount of time actually spent working between upper and lower class workers. Sondra.kinsey (talk) 19:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Reform Proposals
See the discussion at working time reform proposals at Workweek and weekend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sondra.kinsey (talk • contribs) 19:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC)