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Talk of 2004 and older
I've heard that, starting in Expo 98, Lisbon, the distintion between Universal and International was abolished. That is the reason Expo 98 was called World Exhibition and lasted for 4 months (between the 3 months of international expos and 6 of universal). That's the reason Expo '98 and Expo 2000 had the same status. Someone can add something on this subject? User:Marco Neves

Marco Neves: Since the creation of the Convention relating to International Exhibitions in 1928 (in force January 17, 1931), there have been three different frameworks for categories of International Exhibitions.

1) The original text of the Convention established three categories: a) General exhibition of first category, b) General exhibition of second category, and c) Specialized exhibition. This categorization remained in force until the ammendment of November 30, 1972.

2) The 1972 ammendment (in force June 9, 1980) revoked the previous categories and established a new framework: a) Universal exhibition, and b) Specialized exhibition.

3) In May 31, 1988, a new ammendment (in force July 19, 1996) abrogated the 1972 categorization, and brought about two new categories: a) Registered exhibition, and b) Recognized exhibition.

Some people believe that the Registered and Recognized categories started from Expo’98 Lisbon; however, the candidacies for Expo’98 Lisbon and Expo 2000 Hannover were framed and voted before the 1988 ammendment came into force (July 19, 1996). Expo 2005 Aichi, although voted in June 1997, had its candidacy framed under the 1972 ammendment.

Therefore, Expo’98 Lisbon and Expo 2005 Aichi were Specialized Exhibitions, while Expo 2000 Hannover was a Universal Exhibition. Expo 2008 Zaragoza will be the first recognized exhibition, and Expo 2010 Shanghai the first registered exhibition.

Regarding the four-month duration of Expo’98 Lisbon, the Convention, as ammended in 1972, established a duration between three weeks and six months for International Exhibitions (that includes both Universal and Specialized). The limitation of three months for recognized expositions was included until the ammendment of 1988. Therefore, under the regulation in force at the time of its cancidacy, Expo’98 Lisbon was free to choose any duration between three weeks and six months. In fact, Expo 2000 Hannover chose to have a five-month duration.

For more on regulation: “Les Expositions Internationales relevant du Bureau International des Expositions”, at http://ensmp.net/pdf/2001/expositions.pdf (text in French)

For categories of each International Exhibition: Exhibitions information, at http://www.bie-paris.org/main/index.php?m=-1 (on the left frame, click on Exhibitions information)

I hope you find this information useful. --César Corona 01:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

There was an edit today changing Expo '92 to Expo '29 in this paragraph - not sure which is the right one, as both years had an Expo in Sevilla?

'Some outstanding exceptions are the remainders from Expo '29 in Seville, Spain where the 'Plaza de España' forms part of a large park and forecourt, and many of the pavilions have become offices for Consulate-Generals. The Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago is housed in the last remaining building of the 1893 World Columbian Exposition.'

Idril 02:04, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * Other sites seem to suggest '29 is correct. dml 03:08, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I do not understand why, talking about Spain in 1992 someone wrote: "a supposed modern and democratic country". In 1978 Spain became a democratic country, so I think that "supposed" should be delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tunguska1985 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Can someone make this page clearer?
——119.152.21.48 (talk) 20:40, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

This page has a clarity problem: the distinction between Universal and International is unclear. It mentions Brisbane as a universal Expo in the section on universal expos, and as an international one in the international section. Clarity here is not aided by the fact that International Expos have themes, and Universal ones usually have them (but apparently not always), so the presence or absence of a theme does not mark the boundary between Universal and International. The section on International expos seems to imply that this feature does differentiate the two types of expo, even though it clearly states otherwise in the section on Universal expos. 203.24.100.133 18:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This article feels disorganized to me. I think it would help if there was a chronological list or table of all the fairs or something. --65.40.53.88 01:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, true, completely true, and how does the zaragoza 2008 classify? The water and development theme sounds universal, but it is unsynchronized with the 5-year gap following hanover and aichi.YoungSpinoza 03:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Seine-Saint-Denis
The German version says there was an exposition planned there for 2004 but it was canceled? Why? ROGNNTUDJUU! 13:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

The newly elected French government canceled the event for budgetary/political reasons in 2002 or 2003.

List of Expos
It seems like it would make more sense for the list of expos to link to their respective expo article in wikipedia rather than just the hosting city's article. If a user really wants to visit the city article, it is easy to navigate to it. Having the expo links in the paragraph above makes the article a little cluttered and hard to use, IMHO. Ekimd 15:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

In the list of expos, Zaragoza, Spain is listed in "Registered Exibitions" but other parts of the article state that this fair is an "International Exibition" and that there are five year gaps between World Fairs. Just an anomaly I noticed.

Pretty sure it's registered (a lot of participants for registered, so that might have confused matters) - will change Icarusgeek (talk) 18:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

I notice recent changes for Barcelona's state from Spain to Catalonia, and I'm suprised if that's correct. But happy to be enlightened. Seems to be similar to Dublin expo being in a United Kingdom - not what people wanted, but the legal state at the time Icarusgeek (talk) 18:34, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

The 1901 Pan-American expo in Buffalo, NY is not listed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Exposition#Buildings_and_exhibits Dan Bollinger (talk) 14:46, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

The 1909 Alaska Yukon Exhibition in Seattle is not listed. 31173x (talk) 18:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Dates
Because these events have been occuring for over 100 years, the years of fairs should be four digit rather than two. Despite the fact that one could probably look at the list and compare cities and dates to know when exactly a fair occured, it would be easiest for all the dates on this page to be converted to four digit dates. User:200.116.157.78 18:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What's stopping you from fixing it? Wahkeenah 18:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

How can we get the World's Fair back in the United States?
i posted a question on yahoo answers, and was refered to this site for the information that was provided. It was stated here that the World's Fair was stopped in 1984 due to Congress not paying money to have it here again after that. Does anyone know how we can get then to pay it again so we can take our children to such a great event without leaving the country? I went to the World's Fair in 1982 and i was only 6, but i remember it and it was AWSOME! I would love to take my grand-daughter and kids to one! It would be well worth saving up for! Please email me back at (email address removed)
 * First: I've removed your email address so it won't get spam harvested.
 * Second: Wikipedia is an attempt to write an encyclopedia, not for political advocacy. SchmuckyTheCat 07:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's time for Wikipedia to change. True, it's an encyclopedia, but it can be much more than that. I want to see Wikipedia encorporate a forum of some kind where discussions like this can take place. We meed a place to take discussions. Wikipedia? Are you listening? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.35.97 (talk) 04:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipemedia has many projects. The encyclopedia is merely the largest and most interesting.  I figure chat pages and blogs are numerous outside Wikimedia and you could find appropriate ones after diligent searching.  If not, you can try using your personal Wikipedia talk page.  Jim.henderson (talk) 01:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I shouldn't have to search for a chat forum. It should be an integrated part of Wikipedia. Farm it out if necessary. There should be ONE place where people can comment on Wikiipedia pages. One place to discuss ANYTHING AT ALL related to the subject at hand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.35.97 (talk) 07:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Response:

The United States hasn't hosted a world's fair since 1984 because no city or private organization has organized successfully to host one. This is likely due to the expense and the lack of political will, particularly since 1984 New Orleans lost a great deal of money.

This particular issue is independent of federal law. The federal law you might have heard of is from 1991 and refers to US government funding of pavilions at world's fairs outside of the United States.

Additionaly, in 2002, Congress discontinued our membership dues to the Bureau International des Expositions and we were removed as a member in 2003. This does not necessarily preclude a U.S. city from hosting a world's fair, however.

World Expo
... is the official title, should the article be under that heading? Hakluyt bean 14:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Moved. --Nyp 05:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

The page name is now "Expo (exhibition)". Why? I think this is inferior to either "World Fair" (the title it apparently had until February) or "World Expo". I prefer "World Fair" since the majority of fairs covered in this article carried that name. Can it be moved back? &mdash; Sebastian 17:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

"Expo" seems to be the preferred term amongst the people on Wikipedia, for some reason. I'd never heard it once before I saw this article, especially not in reference to the Great Exhibition. If "Expo" is indeed a contraction of exposition then it should not be used at all, it's slang. 94.169.234.19 (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Contradiction (or OR?)
The article states "Since 1995, the interval between two registered expositions has been at least five years".

On the following paragraph, naming "registered expositions", Lisbon 98 and Hannover 2000 are mentioned.

Since there is only a two-year interval between Lisbon 98 and Hannover 2000, the two statements contradict each other.

Is the 5-year rule OR? If not, it might be useful to explain why the first two post-1995 Expos don't follow the rule. Mip | Talk 12:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Expo'98 Lisbon was a Specialized Exhibition and Expo 2000 Hannover was a Universal Exhibition, both categories falling under the ammendment of 1972 (entry in force 1980) of the Convention relating to International Exhibitions. By the way, Expo 2005 Aichi was also a Specialized Exhibition. The reason why these exhibitions do not fall under that 5-year rule, is that their candidatures were developed before 1996, the year the 1988 ammendment came into force. This ammendment created the current categories for exhibitions (Registered and Recognized) and also set 1995 as the reference year for the 5-year rule. Expo 2005 Aichi organizers were not obliged to follow the 5-year rule by any regulation, but they decided to adopt it.


 * The first Registered Exhibition will be Expo 2010 Shanghai, and the first Recognized Exhibition was Expo 2008 Zaragoza. Both candidatures were created after 1996 and therefore follow the 1988 ammendment, including the 5-year rule.


 * I hope that you find my explanation useful.


 * --César Corona (talk) 17:31, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Expo in Seattle in 1960??
The article shows an Expo in Seattle in 1960 as well as one in 1962. I do not think this is correct, and the 1960 one should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tclose (talk • contribs) 14:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

WYD is actually the largest event
As per the first paragraph: WYD (World Youth Day), a gathering of Catholic Youth, is actually the largest event in the world. I think this puts Expo as fourth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.60.25 (talk) 19:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Under what definition? WYD attendance is typically less than a million and international exposition attendance is typically in the 4-to-70 million range. World's fairs' economic impact must be larger than World Youth Day since they are held over 90 to 180 days.

So, so, so necro a thread, but I felt I should point out that WYD "was" (see below) only the world record holder for the largest number of people *gathered for a single religious event*. There were several gatherings before that involved more people, and many since.

But... it wasn't, even in 1995--based on the wiki page for "largest peaceful gatherings," there were at least two funerals--one for an Iranian khomeni, so pretty inarguably a religious gathering--before WYD 1995, as well as other gatherings, such as MacArthur's welcome home parade after he was relieved of command by Pres. Truman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonmouse (talk • contribs) 07:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Missing information
This article is written almost entirely from the perspective of the Bureau of International Expositions. It needs to be rewritten, covering the topic in general at first, then introducing separate sections for BIE-sanctioned expositions and those held independently or under the auspices of another organization. 68.167.253.69 (talk) 05:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC).

The list contains no such bias. About half of the expositions listed are from the pre-BIE era and some (including 1939-1940 San Francisco and 1964-1965 New York) were not BIE-sanctioned.

Nashville, Tennessee 1897--World's Fair?
The main article does not list Nashville, Tennessee as an expo location for 1897, but further down in the article it talks about the Nashville Parthenon and Centennial Park having been constructed on the 1897 World's Fair site. The entry article for the Tennessee Centennial Exposition doesn't speak of it in terms of it being a "World's Fair", either, but then at the end of that article it talks about the Tennessee expo as being more successful (financially) than most World's Fairs. So, what's the deal? Was Nashville 1897 a World's Fair or wasn't it? I live in Tennessee and I had always thought that the Parthenon was built on the World's Fair site that coincided with the Centennial celebration, but now I'm confused as to whether the Tennessee Centennial Exposition was actually a World's Fair or not. 67.232.92.189 (talk) 04:06, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Horticultural expos
Two independent changes that I've made have made this section almost empty. So the "requires expansion" is even more desireable. The 2 actions were: Icarusgeek (talk) 19:09, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * removing the Taipei International Flora Exposition as it doesn't seem to be BIE (as the BIE doesn't listing it). It's a bit unclear what makes an AIPH recognised by BIE. And if there's ever an AIPH the same listing can go there. And...
 * unfortunately when trying to find out the rationale noticed that the second chunk of Wiki's rationale was the same as the BIE's so removed it


 * The Taipei text removed above has now been placed on the now extant AIPH page
 * Now of the view that it's A1 category AIPH fairs that are recognised by BIE with a few extra caveats to stop over-load
 * Icarusgeek (talk) 12:26, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

The listing under Antalya needs to be italicized, as it has not transpired yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.211.92.165 (talk) 15:46, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Please protect this page
This page should be protected because of the Google doodle. Pm master 04:14, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

I agree - I was just searching around trying to find how to request a page lock - this page is getting tons of increased traffic due to today's doodle. Edit: I added this article to the request list - WP:RPP. Seadragon (talk) 04:41, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for figuring out *why* also...it popped up on my vandalism radar and I didn't see any obvious trigger:) DMacks (talk) 09:13, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Combined World's Fair/Olympics
Has anyone ever considered the possibility of jointly awarding a World's Fair and Olympics (Summer or Winter) to the same city at the same time - as a combined event?74.100.60.53 (talk)
 * Nevermind - it apprears that already happened in 1904 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1904_Summer_Olympics74.100.60.53 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:15, 1 May 2011 (UTC).

Questioning the centuries of Acapulco world's fairs
The lead paragraph currently concludes with the following: "In Acapulco, New Spain (Mexico), annual fairs took place for several centuries where countries from Asia exhibited their products brought to the New World by the Spanish Royal Navy Nao de China."

Is this true? I can't find any mention of it in the articles on Acapulco or Nao de China (Manila galleons) nor by doing a web search. (The statement certainly sounds plausible. The galleons ran only once or twice a year so one would expect a celebration upon their arrival.)

If true, the celebration doesn't sound like a world's fair as this article defines it. But it is noteworthy (for a historian) and certainly deserves some elaboration somewhere.

If true and appropriate for this article, does this belong in the lead? There is no further mention of this in the rest of the article. Frappyjohn (talk) 19:42, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Dublin
Someone needs to check which country dublin is in? i'm sure the irish would be pleased to see how it currently stands — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.147.162 (talk) 16:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * In 1907 (when the listed fair took place), Dublin was in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
 * Home rule for Ireland came later.
 * Now Dublin is in the sovereign state Ireland and the 'UK' is now the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK GB+I and UK GB+NI have the same flag so it's not instantly obvious from the flag which one is which.
 * Icarusgeek (talk) 16:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Capitalization
Capitilize "fair" in "World's fair." It's the TITLE! It looks very unprofessional not to capitilize it. Seriously that's ridiculous! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.46.63 (talk) 03:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but WP:MOSPN is clear on this. The generic use of world's fairs is no more a proper noun than, say, amusement park. And so this is not a proper noun, in this general context. World's fair, on its own, is not the actual "title" of anything that I am aware of, including all the world's fairs in this category.Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:03, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The casing is pretty atrocious throughout the article. Unless the text refers to a specific world fair/expo/etc., I think all the words should be in lower case. I will work on that. Joe S chmedley Talk 00:06, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

For expanding Cultural exchange (1939–1987), this looks relevant
World's Fairs on the Eve of War: Science, Technology, and Modernity, 1937-1942 by Robert H. Kargon and others, 2015, University of Pittsburgh Press. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 13:52, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Possible Contributions
My Sources The 1904 St Louis World's fair had an exhibit section but it was barely a paragraph. So I found an article celebrating 100 years since the expo took place and they debuted baby incubators and an electric typewriter! The citation is below. X-rays, 'fax machines' and ice cream cones debut at 1904 ... (2004, April 7). Retrieved October 21, 2016, from https://source.wustl.edu/2004/04/xrays-fax-machines-and-ice-cream-cones-debut-at-1904-world-fair/

The 1939 New York World's Fair had absolutely no section on the attractions it had so I found this newspaper article on the cooler attractions they had. The had a smoking robot! Anyway below is the citation. Blakinger, K. (n.d.). A look back at some of the attractions at the 1939 World’s ... Retrieved October 21, 2016, from http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/back-attractions-1939-world-fair-article-1.2619155

Katie’s Sources Possible Sources for all fairs: •	Inventions that Defined the 20th Century – this is from a 2010 publication called “World Expo” that has a bunch of potentially useful articles (MSU Libraries website) •	http://www.expomuseum.com/ •	http://www.earthstation9.com/ 1964 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_New_York_World%27s_Fair#American_industry_in_the_spotlight •	an example of what we can to with the invention section 1876 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Exposition#Inventions •	Has a brief invention section but we could expand it •	Telephone, monorail, calculator •	Possible sources: o	The World’s Fair, Philadelphia, 1876: A Critical Account. (book- full text online @ MSU Libraries website) o	Material Worlds: Designing the Centennial: A History of the 1876 International Exhibition in Philadelphia. (book- full text online @ MSU Libraries website) o	Re-Envisioning the 1876 Centennial Exhibition: New Exhibit Solutions for an Old Interpretive Problem. (thesis paper available online MSU libraries) 1901 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-American_Exposition •	X-Ray machine, sewing machine? •	Possible sources: o	http://panam1901.org/index.html o	http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/spec/exhibits/fairs/pan.htm 1904 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase_Exposition •	Early fax machine, answering machine, electrical outlet, air conditioning •	Possible sources: o	http://www.1904worldsfairsociety.org/links.htm o	http://atthefair.homestead.com/Misc/Inventions.html 1970 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_%2770 •	IMAX, mobile phones, local networking •	Possible sources: o	http://www.earthstation9.com/index.html?1970_osa.htm o	Struggling with finding sources on this one. Maybe need to tackle by researching the inventions themselves rather than the Fair. 1982 – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_World%27s_Fair#After_the_fair •	Solar wireless public telephones, touchscreens (debut), Japanese painting robots, robots in the “live energy show,” home energy conservation, electric cars •	Possible sources: o	http://www.expomuseum.com/1982/ o	Government report: United States Pavilion at the Knoxville International Energy Exposition: Final Report, 1982. (full text online @ MSU Libraries website) o	Article: World’s Fair spreads understanding of energy technology, foreign cultures, 1982. (full text online @ MSU Libraries website)

Emma’s Sources http://go.galegroup.com.proxy1.cl.msu.edu/ps/pdfViewer?docId=GALE%7CCX2735802999&userGroupName=msu_main&inPS=true&contentSegment=&prodId=GVRL&navContext=none&accesslevel=FULLTEXT&c2c=true#docViewNav

http://congressional.proquest.com.proxy2.cl.msu.edu/congressional/result/congressional/pqpdocumentview:pdfevent?pgId=e4e18ad7-8f07-41e8-a4f4-7ee78f396956&pdf=/app-bin/gis-serialset/7/4/f/8/2807_hrp37_from_1_to_2.pdf, -It's an online text about the location of the St. Louis World's Fair which did not occur until 1904 but this was written in 1892. It was sent to the selection committee which I thought was really interesting and we could incorporate how these were made or what went into deciding each?

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Error Spotted
An IP user recently added the 1884 New Orleans fair to the list of world expositions. The list is supposed to show official expositions according to the BIE. I have just looked at the BIE website, and the 1884 fair is not listed as a world expo. In fact, it isn't listed as a specialized expo, either. I'm going to cut it from the list and put it here below (inside HTML comment tags to prevent unintended effects on this page). So, if I'm in error, you can just cut it from here and put it back there. But I doubt I'm in error. The List of All Expos at the official BIE site has nothing between 1880 Melbourne and 1888 Barcelona.

Open the Edit on this page to see this data:

PaulSank (talk) 05:44, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

"Awarded a ... medal at ... World Fair"
An improbable number of nostrums and liqueurs claim- on Wikipedia and elsewhere- to have been awarded medals at various exhibitions. Has anybody ever determined what was actually awarded, and on what grounds? MarkMLl (talk) 21:26, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

New York World's Fair
Why on the list there is 1939 New York World's Fair but not 1964 New York World's Fair? Subtropical -man ( ✉  | en-2 ) 15:49, 17 September 2022 (UTC)


 * New York, '64-'65 wasn't recognized by BIE. philmckn (talk) 14:50, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the list you're looking for... List of World's Fairs philmckn (talk) 15:03, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Willis, Deborah. Black Venus 2010: They Called Her “Hottentot.” Temple University Press, 2010.== controversies ==

Wondering if anyone else would like to work with me on adding be a section added with reasons why worlds fairs are problematic and have contributed to the harm of marginalized people? Brendaanowell (talk) 23:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * That seems like POV-pushing to me- not to say that I disagree with you on the basis of opinion, I'm not informed enough on the subject to have an opinion one way or the other (and the idea that World's Fairs could cause economic/environmental/etc problems doesn't seem unbelievable), but that's not the sort of subject that a Wikipedia article should unilaterally have an absolute factual stance on. Rather, when it comes to those types of criticisms, Wikipedia articles instead describe the opinions of notable individuals, subject-matter experts, non-governmental organizations, and national or international bodies. For example, instead of an section on "Problems with the Olympics", we have an section on Controversies surrounding the Olympic Games, with due weight assigning more significance to those criticisms and controversies with broader scholarly consensus supporting them. 73.161.63.150 (talk) 00:18, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Current and upcoming expositions
"The Azerbaijani capital entered its candidacy before the deadline" seems strange to me. Why emphasize this point? The other three candidates surely also met the deadline?

I would just write "The Azerbaijani capital entered its candidacy under ..." Alexander.mitsos (talk) 09:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)