Talk:World Central Kitchen aid convoy attack

Requested move 18 April 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) NasssaNser 01:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

World Central Kitchen drone strikes → World Central Kitchen aid convoy attack – More descriptive title. This was discussed in the recently closed above discussion. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 23:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:53, 19 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Support because that's what the event was and described as. It was a drone strike that attacked a WCK aid convoy.
 * I opposed the word "massacre" earlier because almost no sources described the event as one. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 13:28, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as this is how it is described in RS. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Recent Israeli attacks against other aid operations
Canada contacts Israel after aid agency says water truck bombed in 'targeted' attack. I don't know of any other entry documenting Israeli attacks against aid workers or aid infrastructure. Does this belong here? Peleio Aquiles (talk) 21:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Typos

 * NGO:s -> NGOs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:2F0:93A1:8106:4C6D:A8CB:1462:9068 (talk) 01:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

War crime categorisation
I earlier restored Category:Israeli war crimes in the Israel–Hamas war to the article after it was removed citing WP:LPCRIME (? Biographies of living persons sub-section). My restoration has been reverted, now citing WP:VERIFY. To stave off further ping-pong, make your case here. My opinion: the Biographies of Living persons guidelines are not helpful in this case so we can put that aside -- the article is not a biography and the incident can fall under War Crimes without prejudice to any person who might be named in the article. War crimes are a state thing, they don't have to be individual.

So that takes us to Verifiable. The facts are not really in dispute, are they? The IDF have admitted some, the events are among the better-reported of the last few months. The facts are Verfied / Verifiable. The dispute is whether they can be categorised as above. The first and third parts, not in question either. A thing committed by Israeli forces, during the period being called here Israel-Hamas war.

Is it a war crime, then? Killing of non-combatants is a war crime, yes? As is the denial of food. The facts are not in question.

The only objection appears to be the lack of a (completed?) criminal process. That seems to me to be an unrealistic barrier that would exclude many things that would be uncontroversially described as war crimes. Aside from that, there is an (more than one?) ongoing war crimes case, and this may well have been cited in one of its hearings.

In summary: I have (well, am about to) therefore (re-)restored the category pending discussion here. Chaikney (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * facts not in dispute
 * requiring criminal conviction to label a war crime is
 * an unrealistic barrier
 * probably not applied to other comparable cases
 * the incident is relevant to the ongoing war crimes case(s)


 * You have violated 1RR with this edit. Please self-revert. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please explain in complete sentences and address the points above. I can communicate in English and Spanish but not WP legalese. I note that the link you put on my talk page says (under 1RR), "These provisions have been vacated", so help me out here: what is the point you are trying to communicate?.Chaikney (talk) 22:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Please refer to the large Warning Active Arbitration Remedies section at the top of this talk page, and the edit notice that is displayed when you edited the article. You have made more than one revert in 24 hours in violation of the sanction on this topic area. Please self-revert. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I made an edit, which someone reverted. I reverted that and opened discussion on the issue (above) so we can clarify the area of disagreement in a more useful way than single-line edit summaries. Still waiting for that person to clarify their disagreement and for others to contribute their thoughts on the issue under discussion.Chaikney (talk) 20:04, 30 May 2024 (UTC)