Talk:World Triathlon Cup

remaining disambiguations
I've made a start cleaning up the place name disambiguations. Here's a note of the remaining ones that need investigating:
 * Milton (Canada, 1991)
 * Whistler (Canada, 1993)
 * ✅ - Whsitler, British Columbia


 * Yamaguchi (Japan, 2001)
 * ✅ - Yamaguchi, Yamaguchi


 * New York (USA, 2003) - the whole State is too vague
 * ✅ - New York City, NY


 * Orange County (USA, 1993)
 * St Thomas (USA, 1993)
 * ✅ - US Virgin Islands (https://www.triathlon.org/media/stats/1993-world-cups.pdf)

plus redlinks:
 * St Anthony's (USA 2001, 2003)
 * ✅ - St Anthony's was a sponsor/race organiser's name, but was held in city of St. Petersburg


 * Texas Hill (USA 1991)
 * Possibly Texas Hill Country in Texas??


 * Makuhari (Japan, 2002, 2003)
 * This is the name of a city/suburb?? of Chiba City?


 * Ilheus-Bahia (Brazil, 1993, 1995, 1996)
 * ✅ - City is Ilhéus, region is Bahia

I'll try to fix these when I have time, but any additional help is welcome. --NSH001 (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Done some of them. I've found the list of 1994 venues and have added. What else do you think could be added to this article? Yboy83 (talk) 19:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that.
 * Re what else could be added to this article, I haven't given it much thought, but I like your approach so far. My preference, though, is for effort to be devoted to meticulous accuracy: quality before quantity. I think probably the best approach – once the detail here is correct – is for you to start similar articles on all the other major triathlon competitions. Will make it a lot easier to put the right name in navbox titles and MedalCompetition templates at least!
 * --NSH001 (talk) 20:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC) (edited 13:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC))


 * Extra detail that might be added to this article (and articles on similar race series):
 * Section on the history of the event
 * Explanation of how points are awarded
 * Readers would like to know what share of the $100k for each race the male and female winners receive.
 * Lead doesn't make clear whether the $250k is in addition to, or instead of, the normal prize for a world cup race


 * For articles on annual races, could consider:
 * Full splits for the male and female winners each year (but data may not be easily available)
 * Table showing top three male and female finishers each year, with total time (but data may not be easily available)
 * Obviously, this would be far too much info for an overall article such as this one.
 * --NSH001 (talk) 13:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

more suggestions
Since this is the first article of its kind to be created, I will - for the time being at least - post here suggestions that may also be relevant to kindred articles.


 * first such suggestion is that most readers are likely to be interested in the winners/champions, so, in general, the winners table should appear at the front of the article, just after the lead. I've altered this one accordingly, as an example. NSH001 (talk) 22:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

World Cup Champions after 2008
Were there really "winners" for 2009 and 2010? As I understood it, from 2009 on, points accumulated in ITU World Cup racing went towards the Championship Series point system and that there aren't any real winners of the World Cup anymore. Furthermore, I couldn't find a thing on ITU's website saying there were winners of the World Cup in 2009 and 2010. Can anyone clarify this or correct me if I'm wrong? Otherwise I believe the winners list should stop at 2008, pre-Championship series reformatting.  Barkeep  Chat/''' 19:53, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed the winners list under 2009 and 2010.  Barkeep  Chat/''' 19:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

In fact, ITU is no longer honors the champions of the World Cup circuit. However, the information must be shown on Wikipedia (warning that ITU does not recognize such champions) just as curiosity and research about the most regular triathlete at that specific circuit. movimarx —Preceding undated comment added 21:20, 2 September 2011 (UTC).
 * Why "must" it be shown? There was no awarded champion, thus, no champion. That simple. Additionally, this would need to be cited by a third party source.  Barkeep  Chat/''' 03:39, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Answering your first question I repeat: just as curiosity and research about the most regular triathlete at that specific circuit. What's the problem? Wikipedia is information, and the more information the better. Second: there is no need for a third source, ITU is the source, the criteria is the same as ITU adopted to reward the champions of the World Cup till then. Why oppress information? World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) don't recognize Andreas RAELERT (GER) and Chrissie WELLINGTON (UKD) record for the fastest time for all Ironman-distance races got in 2011 Roth (GER), but Wikipedia shows it. movimarx (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.62.88.25 (talk) 17:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's information needs to be verifiable and there is a need for a third source per Wikipedia policy. There is no verifiable reference that states that there were champions named in 2009 and 2010. In reference to Wellington and Ralerts record's, you're comparing apples to oranges. WTC doesn't recognize the records because the Roth is a Challenge event, not a WTC event and WTC is not in the business of verifying Ironman distance records, just WTC Ironman records. Regardless, both Wellington and Ralerts record's can be verified by a third part source (example), whereas the info you're adding cannot because it didn't actually happen. Please do not add this information to the article.  Barkeep  Chat/''' 17:51, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

1st It was a Challenge distance record or what they want to denominate, not an IronMan® distance record (pay attention to the letter "R"). Even though it being the same thing, the market laws must be respected. 2nd I didn't say "verifying", I said "recognize", it is very different. IOC - International Olympic Committe doesn't recognize neither inform medals table per countries, but everyone around the world does, even without exist a third part source, each one uses their own criterias. Wikipedia informs the olympic medals table without a third part source (because it doesn't exist, I repeat each one uses their own criterias) ADVERTISING that IOC doesn't recognize it. In the specific information it was used ITU's datas and criterias, and the information ADVERTISES that ITU doesn't recognize those champions. Please add this information to the article.Movimarx (talk) 23:14, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No chance. Barkeep is right. Plus if you read what the ITU stats the World Cup points count towards the World series. A max of 2 World Cup events count and the points go Grand Final to Grand Final. Meaning that the final three World Cups this year count towards 2012. Meaning that there is no overall winner. Globalwheels (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Globalwheels read the third paragraph, my first argument.Movimarx (talk) 02:07, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So you admit to the ITU doing what it does, but clearly do not understand Original research. ITU do not reconise champions therefore if you insert it, it is OR. And your olympic medal table crap is a load of rubbish as they should be referenced like everything on here but most don't bother as it is rather unchallengable since individual articles to events etc would stop people deleting a medal table. But as I say SHOULD be REFERENCED, but is not NOT ORIGINAL RESEARCH UNLIKE what you are proposing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalwheels (talk • contribs) 22:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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