Talk:World War II casualties/Archives/2010/March

Lead image
Can anyone say why is the File:Buna.jpg in the lead? It looks quite random and should be replaced by one of the famous pictures of massacres or grave fields.--Jaan Pärn (talk) 17:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's a great photo. How do the Austrailians feel?--Woogie10w (talk) 18:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Great or not - What does a photo of a man with his eye covered convey in terms of tens of millions of deaths in the WWII? --Jaan Pärn (talk) 19:14, 19 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Lets get some other opinions before we change the pix--Woogie10w (talk) 19:26, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe the lead image must be typical. More losses were sustained by the Allies then by the Axis; the most bloody theatres were Eastern front or China; majority of peoples killed were civilians, not military. The present photo meets only a first criterion. In my opinion, the lead photo should show death of Allied civilians in Eastern Front or China.--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Are there any proposed pix to view?--Woogie10w (talk) 17:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * A File:Einsatzgruppen Killing.jpg fits all these criteria. The only drawback is that the picture describes the Holocaust, thus supporting a common stereotype that equates WWII civilian deaths and the Holocaust's death. However, if my proposal is supported in general, I'll try to find something else.--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * In other words switch places of the pix?--Woogie10w (talk) 17:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, at least until we find a better candidate.--Paul Siebert (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * paul makes perfect sense to me. I don't support File:Einsatzgruppen Killing.jpg for his reasoning so let's find non-Holocaust candidates. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 20:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I got another idea: let's think about a collage. The article's subject is so broad that it hardly can be illustrated by a single image.--Paul Siebert (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * How much space will this collection take up?--Woogie10w (talk) 22:43, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * So is anyone going to make the collage or will we change the lead image to another? --Jaan Pärn (talk) 09:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you propose? Please try to avoid an Eastern European edit war like the nightmare at the EEML. That would be like infesting the page with bedbugs.--Woogie10w (talk) 18:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * There will be no edit war at least not from my side as I am not promoting any specific image. I just agree with Paul Siebert's reasoning, that it would have to be an image of civil casualties from the Eastern Front, as the greatest casualties were suffered there, while it should not be an image on the Holocaust not to promote the common misconception of the Holocaust as equalling to Eastern Front civilian casualties. The above considered, I am open for any proposed images. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 19:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * OK lets see the pix, we had a pix Lamenting the Dead(that I had put up in 2006) but it was pulled down because of a copyright issue--Woogie10w (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear Woogie10w. Please, keep in mind that Jaan was not a member of EEML. Noone is intended to launch any edit war here. With regards to a collage, I can try to prepare it (I am collecting pictures now), however, I probably need two or three more weeks for that (I am rather busy in my real life).--Paul Siebert (talk) 04:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Albania Jewish Holocaust deaths
In Albania during World War II was not killed any Jew. this thing can find hundreds of books written on this issue.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Irvi_Hyka —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irvi Hyka (talk • contribs) 21:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Please read the footnote, the Jews from Albania were Yugoslav nationals resident in Albania. Holocaust victims are counted by country of residence; not by nationality. For example the 83,000 French Holocaust victims were not French citizens but refugees from Germany or Poland. Again please read the footnote on Albania, the figure of 200 is quite correct. --Woogie10w (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)