Talk:World War II casualties/Archives/2012/June

some questions
hello,

where i can get this russian handbook of losses and also in a english version?

why you not show all losses of spain, switzerland, etc. in the list, with a hint or info that they are losses with the german, russian, etc., army? it were spanish or estonian or swiss people/citizens...

do you add more countries to the list?

and this handbook listed also all losses of the ww2 colonies (specially in africa)? do you add that losses also to the ww2 list like in the ww1 list?

the numbering in letters is bad, why you have changed it? in numbers is much better!

can i ask you in german also? my english is not the best...

KnowledgeIsPower (talk) 01:13, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

I responded previously on this page, please see the above discussion This Wikipedia article should not be a collection of trivial information. We must use only English on this talk page. I can respond in German off Wiki. --Woogie10w (talk) 02:04, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

It is just not possible to reformat World War Two casualties for 2012 borders. The borders of 1939-1945 is the standard used in current historigraphy. --Woogie10w (talk) 02:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In regards to accessing the books used as sources, I'd suggest that you try searching for them in Worldcat - this allows you to find which libraries worldwide hold copies of a book (it seems to work best for major government-run libraries in my experience). Also try searching the catalogs of major university libraries. Nick-D (talk) 02:35, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

The Russian handbook of losses Poteri narodonaselenii︠a︡ v XX veke : spravochnik Vadim Ėrlikhman is listed on World Cat, the sources cited in the book are for the most part in Russian. --Woogie10w (talk) 02:49, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

where we can write in german, woogie10w? e-mail? thank you nick, i have never find the book, but on worldcat yes! but the russian version is a problem. KnowledgeIsPower (talk) 03:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

The book is only in Russian--Woogie10w (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Lets keep the discussion here on this talk page in English so other editors can participate.--Woogie10w (talk) 10:58, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Also Re that Handbook of Losses published in Russia in 2004, it is available in libraries, request it by interlibrary loan. The author a Russian journalist V. Erlikman lists his own estimates of losses in Africa and Asia that are already included with the French and UK forces. Bear in mind the French and UK governments have never published a breakdown of war dead by region of origin. The US has never published a breakdown of war dead by place of birth or ethnic background. There is no total for African American war dead in the US Armed forces. There is no reliable breakdown of WW2 casualties by ethnic group. For example, there were Irish citizens in the US Armed Forces. They fought for the US and are counted as US war dead. Germany conscripted men in Poland, they were German not Polish war dead. --Woogie10w (talk) 11:09, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

for clarification and notice, woogie: you have not replied in the other talkpage, therefore i asked again here, i have your reply here oversight. 1. i have not knew that with erlikman's data. and in ww1 losses erlikman is included with colonial losses. 2. have i ask you for germans or afro-americans in the us army and for mexican military deaths? no!! the topic are the military deaths of estonia, ireland, latvia, lithuania, nepal, spain, switzerland. show it in the total deaths with your info under military deaths as you done, e.g. "served in german forces". the family members of spanish or swiss military deaths are certainly not happy with that "under german forces". the nationality is important! i'm a swiss citizen... 3. the numbering was with numbers and is common with numbers for footnotes. the "doubles" like AY are nonsense. only to make sense if not more then letter w or z. i know you don't change your opinion, therefore i close now the discussion, is too arduous!! KnowledgeIsPower (talk) 13:40, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

There were no Swiss military casualties in WW2, the Swiss who volunteered for German service are counted with Germany. --Woogie10w (talk) 13:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)