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Nazi Germany
The figures on the table below are not supported by the sources cited below. The figures cited below are estimates posted by Ernio 48. Figures not supported by reliable sources are original research.--Woogie10w (talk) 02:21, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It is not my work. Just sayin'.Ernio48 (talk) 02:46, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


 * In any case these figures are OR not supported by the sources cited. --Woogie10w (talk) 02:49, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine. You should consider rounding current figures and percentages to 10,000 and 0.1%; figures like 434,000 seem like you were able to tell with accuracy of 1000 people, which definitely isn't the case.


 * This is what the German sources are reporting 434,000, not what I am telling readers. You can verify on line the figure of 434,000 as reported by the West Germans, I included the link. We need to report the sources accurately and avoid our own OR--Woogie10w (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

This:

Third Reich

 * Sources for figures and details are listed in the footnotes for Germany and Austria.


 * Figure of 5.3 million military dead for Germany, Austria and the Ethnic Germans is taken from the study by the German military historian Rüdiger Overmans. Earlier estimates based on the wartime records compiled by the German High Command (OKW) put total military dead and missing at about 4.0 million men. However, the German Red Cross reported in 2005 that the records of the military search service Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt) list total Wehrmacht losses at 4.3 million men (3.1 million dead and 1.2 million missing) in World War II. Their figures include Austria and conscripted ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe. The estimated total of about 200,000 deaths of Soviet citizens conscripted by Germany was made by the Russian military historian Grigoriy Krivosheyev.


 * Civilian deaths due to military activity reported by German government sources were an estimated at about 700,000. Of those deaths, 500,000 were killed by strategic bombing, about 200,000 died in the 1945 flight and evacuations from East Europe, and during the land campaign in Germany.


 * The West German government put the number of Germans killed by the Nazi political, racial and religious persecution at 300,000 (including 160,000 German Jews). The German government in 2003 report by the German Federal Archive put the total murdered during the Action T4 euthanasia program at about 200,000.


 * Civilian deaths due to war related famine and disease occurred during 1945–46 the flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–1950) and the forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union. The figures for expulsion losses are currently disputed German government studies have confirmed 500-600,000 deaths however, the German Red Cross maintained in 2005 that their records indicate the losses were about 2.3 million persons in expulsions.


 * Figure for Germany (within 1937 borders) of 5.5 million total deaths are those directly related to the war, the higher figure of 6.9 million is demographic estimate of the total population loss caused by the war.
 * Figures for civilian deaths of ethnic Germans from other nations are those deaths due to the flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–1950) and the forced labor of Germans in the Soviet Union. The figures for these losses are currently disputed, estimates of the total expulsion deaths of the ethnic Germans range from about 200,000 confirmed deaths to 886,000 which is a demographic estimate made in 1966 by the West German government.

...............seemed more reliable.