Talk:World War II casualties/Archives/2023/May

War crimes of the Soviet Union
Why is there no section "War crimes of the Soviet Union"? What about the Katyn massacre, for example? Is the fact that the Soviet Union was part of the Allies of World War II reason enough not to call Soviet mass killings war crimes? 2A02:8071:B86:8060:90FA:3407:6869:44D (talk) 11:50, 10 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The Katyn massacre and other war crimes of the SU are all mentioned in the "Oppression in the Soviet Union" section. Nakonana (talk) 13:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Iran
Why isn't Iran in the chart or anywhere on the list considering the forced famine by the British(mostly) and Russians? Iranazad17 (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't have any arguments against adding it to the list, other famines are also included. It might be just a matter of unawareness that there was a famine in Iran.
 * But after reading the wiki article on the famine, I'm not sure that the famine can be called "forced". What would make it a "forced" famine? Who forced the famine on Iran, and what kind of force was used? There was a bad harvest in 1942. That's not "forced". One could argue that others (like the US) didn't help Iran, but it's not like humanitarian help is mandated by law, countries are not obligated to help. The wiki article says that the British tried to help "but failed to do so". This doesn't sound like they didn't help on purpose (although some seem to suspect that there was some calculation involved). The population of the Soviet Union was also starving, so their reason to not help also doesn't sound like coming from bad faith. Nakonana (talk) 14:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps forced is a bad word, and "history will be written by the victors" is why there is unawareness. The british "invaded" iran when there was no real need to invade.  The British seized most of the trucks and food in the country to feed their own troops, and Russian troops.  In WWI there was a similar situation.   This book is about what happened in WWI
 * https://www.amazon.com/Great-Famine-Genocide-Persia-1917-1919/dp/0761826335
 * This book has details on WWII famine. I know there's wikipedia pages for the famine but info is scarce.  It should at least be added to the list.
 * https://rowman.com/ISBN/9780761867388/Iran-Under-Allied-Occupation-In-World-War-II-The-Bridge-to-Victory-and-A-Land-of-Famine
 * They don't want people to know, why there's an islamic republic that is anti western. So that they can do what they want with Iran and their oil, etc. So they can justify gassing Iran in 80's and perhaps nuking Iran in the future. Ameshkin (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)