Talk:World cinema

Removed text
I pulled the following text as such a statement requires evidence:

"In World Cinema the top three most popular industries are Hollywood, based in the United States, Bollywood, based in India, and Nollywood, based in Nigeria."

What is meant by "most popular"? Highest box office takings? Most productive (number of films)? Or most popular with international audiences? I don't know how it's quantified, and perhaps it just needs to be rephrased. Gram 21:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Foreign film
This article and Foreign film seem very similar, enough to warrant a merge. But I'm not sure which article title should be used. Madder 18:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

World cinema. "Foreign film" is ambiguous -- foreign opposed to what? – Alensha    talk  18:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If it is to be merged, I vote World Cinema should be used and foreign film become a redirect. Gram 15:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

"World Cinema" should only be accepted if it includes the cinema from all the countries that procduced cinema and not only the "non-English language countries", because that label only should be accepted if the non-English language countries were not part of our planet.
 * Well, it does indeed include UK, USA, Australia etc in the lists of continental cinema links, and the header of the article does mention that the phrase "World Cinema" can be take to mean all countries other than one's own. You may wish to clarify this further, or make more of a point of subjectivity in the opening paragraph of the article. Gram 15:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Box needs updating
The box at the bottom needs to have the Cinema of Paraguay link added to it, as does the Latin American box (I myself don't know how to do this).

Sdrawkcab 15:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)sdrawkcab
 * Someone's done it, but for your reference you would need to edit Template:Worldcinema. Madder 20:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've also amended Template:Latin American cinema to include it. Gram 16:49, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Definition of cinema
I copy here from The American Heritage Dictionary (Second College Edition): ''cinema n. 1. A motion picture. 2. A motion picture theater. 3. a. Motion pictures collectively b. The motion picture industry. 4. The art of making motion pictures.'' Not a word about foreign films. The article is tagged for sources since October. In the external link "Masters of Cinema" (for one) the top item is Orson Welles' The Other Side of the Wind. Could someone of the writers of the article show us where their definition of cinema as "foreign films" came from? Hoverfish Talk 15:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

World cinema successful at the American box office
Is it worth keeping this US-centric section? At present it is purely a list of films, with no evidence that the films therein were successful at "the American box office". If it is to be kept:
 * 1) It should have comparative and quantifiable measure of success for each film, (presumably box office takings is the simplest marker).
 * 2) As noted in the opening paragraph, "World cinema" covers foreign language films in English-speaking markets, not just the US. Therefore, we should either have a table showing takings in the UK, Australia etc, or better yet, a combined list with total box office takings in all English-speaking territories.
 * 3) The list should only show the top performing foreign-language films in those box offices, and be ranked in order of takings. This should come from a reliable source, otherwise there may be glaring omissions and arbitrary additions.
 * 4) It would be useful to demonstrate the relative success of these films against a "standard" release of an English-language film - i.e. the average takings for a English-language film in the same year that the foreign-language film was released. This may be difficult as average or "typical" takings can be skewed, and citing a specific English-language film would constitute WP:OR.

Looking at the List of highest-grossing films, which uses worldwide box office receipts, and the List of highest-grossing films in the United States and Canada, the only non-English-language film in either top 50 is The Passion of the Christ (however, this was made in the US). In terms of worldwide takings for a foreign-language film (using box office mojo) the only ones I can see listed in the top 338 are Spirited Away (at #207) and Howl's Moving Castle (at #268). Neither of these currently appear in the "World cinema successful at the American box office" section... Gram123 (talk) 10:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, seeing as this section has just been left as is in the article, I've removed it. What I cut is detailed below. If we want such information in the article, some of the above should be adhered to, particularly a referenced measure of the films' "success" Gram123 (talk) 10:19, 19 March 2008 (UTC) :

World cinema successful at the American box office This is a list of recent successful world cinema films in United States cinemas.


 * City of God
 * Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
 * Hero
 * House of Flying Daggers
 * The Lives of Others
 * Pan's Labyrinth
 * Amores Perros
 * Kung Fu Hustle
 * Amélie
 * Lagaan
 * Mother India
 * Run Lola Run