Talk:World of Warcraft/Archive 18

Pending changes
This article is one of a number selected for the early stage of the trial of the Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Pending changes/Queue  are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

Comments on the suitability of theis page for "Pending changes" would be appreciated.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any much more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:42, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

Images
Why doesn't this have more images of gameplay? Geez, this article sucks. 114.77.6.119 (talk) 06:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * So fix it. -- King Öomie  13:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We also have to worry about copyright issues when we want to include screenshots from computer games and other applications. So it's not a simple thing to do, WP:FU covers using non-free images in articles, and as you can see from the policy we can't just put anything we want into it. --  At am a  頭 21:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
 * would 3d models (blender, 3d max etc) made by exported charatcers (.m2) be non-copyrighted? --Squidonius (talk) 22:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * They would be subject to copyright law, as they are at the very least derived from an author's copyrighted work (the images created by Blizzard artists for the game). Every hairstyle, sword, and pair of boots was at one point created by Blizzard for the game's use, and a character export is just a copy of that work. --  At am a  頭 00:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Has anybody tried requesting copyright permission for a set of screenshots from Blizzard? They're a pretty big company, but it's worth a try. I've had some experience with this (with much smaller companies) &mdash;Sebquantic (talk) 00:23, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Give it a shot! It's certainly can't hurt to ask. Jedikaiti (talk) 16:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Blizzard have a "fair use" policy which governs images, screenshots and derivative works, such as user created webcomics, Machinima and the like. Would this fair use policy also govern any images used on Wikipedia?  The fair use policy can be found here. Whisperwolf (talk) 15:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry I haven't checked this page in a while. From that page, Blizzard only allows the use of works for non-commercial purposes. From WP:IUP: "Licenses which restrict the use of the media to non-profit or educational purposes only (i.e. noncommercial use only), or are given permission to only appear on Wikipedia, are not free enough for Wikipedia's usages or goals and will be deleted." But, I think Blizzard would be open to releasing a few screenshots or video clips under a free license (CC-BY-SA) so that they could be uploaded here. I've never played WoW, but if anybody wants to find some images/clips to use I'd be happy to take care of asking and getting them uploaded to the commons. Ideally you would want images/clips that show a wide range of the game's content (what a raid looks like, what the economy looks like, etc...), but I wouldn't use more than 4 or 5-ish (i.e. don't need a picture of every single class). &mdash;Sebquantic (talk) 04:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I would love to see more pictures. I've been thinking about playing, but I'm not sure. I need all the support I can get. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innocent3d (talk • contribs) 22:09, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How about going to the official website or better yet to one of the many thousand fansites where you cannot just find pictures but videos and forums and whatnot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cilmeron (talk • contribs) 10:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

what about the images on wowwiki.com?
I'd be willing to be hundreds of millions of dollars that the folks at wowwiki.com have some pictures that we could use. Somehow, there are plenty of WoW pics there, so it must be possible. makeswell (talk) 15:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me, but for Wikipedia we have to prove they are not copyright. Not just take them from another website. Dobat 16:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobat (talk • contribs)
 * WoWWiki is totally different from Wikipedia and has different rules, it isn't even affiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation like some other wikis (Wikinews, Wiktionary, etc.). Those different rules help make WoWWiki more valuable than it would be if it followed the exact same content inclusion rules as here; they post a lot of material that would never be accepted at Wikipedia. --  At am a  頭 17:03, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And it would not be accepted here because the vast majority of the imagery on WoWWiki would fail our non-free content criteria. There are, on the other hand, a handful of user created images, but even some of those (the majority, even!) would be considered derivative works of copyrighted Blizzard material. --Izno (talk) 18:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Mega Controversy not mentioned
About the REAL NAME changes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth And Relative Dissention In Space (talk • contribs) 03:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * WP:NOTNEWS. This started yesterday. Granted, it's the largest thread ever to exist on the WoW forums by a large margin, currently sitting around 22,500 posts of rage (just from north american players). -- King Öomie  16:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I respectfully have to disagree - it is the most major news to happen to World of Warcraft players since the game came out, and the sheer volume of posts show that, after recent controversy with privacy in facebook, this is newsworthy for the fact that a larger percentage of the community is talking about openly revolting against the invasion of privacy and refusing to use any facility (in this case the forums) that infringes on their right to privacy. I have to ask - if Blizzard is forced to rescind the policy before it goes live, would you consider it newsworthy then? Whisperwolf (talk) 17:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTNEWS . It doesn't matter if it's "newsworthy". Until there's serious reporting on it, it's not notable. -- King Öomie  17:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 126+ news articles is more important than putting a big tag on some random page: http://www.google.com/search?q=warcraft+real+ID&hl=en Truth And Relative Dissention In Space (talk) 18:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Pages more than about 36 hours old are about RealID in general, most likely the in-game application, not yesterday's post. This is the search you're looking for. Suddenly, most of the results are forums. -- King Öomie 18:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Think should change the anonymity on "Servers" to "forums" to better reflect the actual article. While the Real ID stuff in general has to do with servers (i.e. friend lists in-game), the actual controversy is with the anonymity on the forums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.166.209.63 (talk) 18:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about? If you search versus Google news there are a TON of articles about this. Stop being obtuse. Truth And Relative Dissention In Space (talk) 18:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not so many if you limit the search terms to "Posted in the last 24 hours". Time travelers are not reliable sources. -- King Öomie  19:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is now on the BBC News website. Is it NOW newsworthy enough for you, King? Whisperwolf (talk) 19:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to get personal or confrontational. Don't get the wrong impression- I've posted my dissent several times in the WoW-NA thread. I'm just unwilling to compromise Wikipedia policy to stick it to blizzard. We don't need to "get the word out" or worry about "the people"- anyone affected by this news already knows.
 * Oh, also, I don't WP:OWN this page. -- King Öomie  19:20, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This isn't about "sticking it to Blizzard". It's about keeping the article on Wikipedia updated with information relevant to its topic.  Since the Associated Press and carriers are now talking about it, it's more than just of special interest to WoW players, it's become an issue as important as any of the recent privacy on Facebook issues.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whisperwolf (talk • contribs) 21:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * As a comment before this slides off into the archives, the content is now included in the article as the topic gained a significant amount of media attention in the following weeks of its announcement, and kicked off the old 'safety in video games' debate again amongst media groups, thus it is safe to say it gained notability. -- Taelus  ( Talk ) 11:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Platforms?
Should Linux really be included among the available platforms? It can run in Wine, but I think including it as a "Platform" gives the impression that there's an official client, which, I suppose there is, but it's not available to the public...more just used for testing, apparently. 71.236.150.254 (talk) 10:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No, in fact there was a discussion in April (only 3 people participated, but still) where it was suggested that since Blizzard doesn't have any official releases for Linux then it shouldn't be included. Someone unilaterally added Linux as a platform, I'm removing that because frankly it's not true. Many programs can run on platforms that the developers didn't intend thanks to emulators or other methods. For example, we have a number of games developed for and only release for the Nintendo Entertainment System but any of them should also run in an emulator on any modern computer (Windows, Linux, or Mac) though we'd never include those as "platforms". I don't think a client not released to the public would be considered "official". --  At am a  頭 17:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

WoW TCG
Noticed the information about the TCG under "In other media" is out of date. It's no longer run by Upper Deck Entertainment, but instead by Cryptozoic (http://www.cryptozoic.com) I'd change it myself, but don't have the permission to change semi-protected pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hierakles (talk • contribs) 12:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I happen to know this is true so I'll change it; I'll see if I can get around to finding some news article or something to source it later. -- Sh i r ik ( Questions or Comments? ) 13:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Maximum chars
I reverted out a bit of OR that might be worth having... 10 per realm per account. There was also a bit of OR that doesn't match the real world... max of 5 servers. Finally, is it worth mentioning the 42 per account cap? If so, I think I can find a source in the morass of junk I mean info at worldofwarcraft.xxx.- Sinneed  22:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the cap for the number of characters per account is 50. BlueRobe (talk) 07:31, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I can confirm the realm cap of 10 characters and account cap of 50 characters across all realms. I have hit the cap once and called a GM about it. An external link should be out there somewhere. 67.248.122.223 (talk) 09:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Chinese World of Warcraft was NOT released in 2009
After beginning operation of World of Warcraft in China on September 19, 2009, NetEase was ordered after less than two months of operation to immediately stop charging players and to cease accepting registrations.[83][84] A press estimate indicated that, if World of Warcraft were shut down in China, the loss of subscribers would cause Activision Blizzard's shares to fall from 65 cents per share to 60 cents per share.[83]

This section of the article is fatally mistaken. I can assure you that Chinese World of Warcraft was released sometime in 2005/2006 with The9 being the operator. Red Card For You (talk) 16:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Makes more sense in the context provided earlier in the article:
 * NetEase took over licensing of World of Warcraft from The9 in June 2009 following the expiration of The9's contract
 * Thus it makes sense to describe it as "after beginning operation of", as the start of company operations is not the same as the release date of the game. Although, saying that, the earlier article does lack an original launch date for the Chinese version, which could be added if a good source is found. --- Taelus  ( Talk ) 17:23, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

WoW China controversies
In recent news, the Chinese edition of World of Warcraft has begun to filter words such as "freedom", "sexy" and "passion", and users with player names containing those words have been forced to change their names. More regarding the controversy: Does anyone think this is relevant for inclusion? --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 09:12, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * http://chinageeks.org/2010/09/beheading-freedom/
 * http://china.globaltimes.cn/society/2010-09/569435.html
 * http://wow.tgbus.com/news/international/201009/20100901104123.shtml


 * I most certainly DO think this is a relevant inclusion.122.57.127.90 (talk) 03:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Elitejoe24, 8 September 2010
hello i would like to deit this page telling how it can and has effected some pople grades and effort at work or school thank you :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elitejoe24 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Apparently you've been hit hard by this, looking at your pitiful spelling. Red Card For You (talk) 23:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not necessary, belittling others' communication skills for humor just discourages them. :( Elitejoe24, generally when you request an edit, you should be very specific about exactly what you want inserted (the actual text you want added). In addition, you should have a reliable source to back up the information you'd like to include. Do you have a source that verifies your claim that playing World of Warcraft has been shown to cause a significant decline in student performance (in comparison to other video games)? --  At am a  頭  00:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

New Profession - Archaeology
Hello, I would like to just add that coming with the new expansion, Cataclysm, with World of Warcraft, or WoW as it is also popularly known, there will be a new profession to be learnt, Archaeology, which involves the player to roam the virtual world searching for rare and advanced objects. More information can be found here:http://www.wowpedia.org/Archeology. Whylogin (talk) 12:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * On the article about Cataclysm. --Izno (talk) 01:04, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You should be aware that if it is fan cruft, it should not be inserted into the article, as non-players of World of Warcraft who read the article may not understand nor care about topics only players would care about. IAmSasori (talk) 19:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

WOW Gold
Would it be alright if I just removed this seeing as it's just advertising their website? I think I will.. User:Dobat Dobat the Hobbat 13:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It most certainly is appropriate to remove gold-spammers from the WoW page. 219.89.249.161 (talk) 00:52, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Seems to me that the link to the World Of Warcraft entry at DMOZ.org (Open Directory Project) sends you to a series of links to pages that sell WoW Gold, powerleveling services, etc. all of which violate the ToS of Activision/Blizzard. At no point do I see this link as adding anything to the article - rather they're all services for sale. If a section on "Buying resources/characters" were in the article, I could see the value, but on its own, it does not have any. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slampaladino (talk • contribs) 13:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC) There are many gold "selling" companies out there, yet few dont hack your account, usually they ask for your account information so they csn hsck you and use your account to (sell|hack) more people, do not believe these sellers. The best way to farm gold in WOW is to kill creatures that drop a good selling cloth and sell that on the (auction house|AH) or you can train in a profession like (herb gathering|herbalism) (ore mining|mining) (skinning animals for leather|skinning) if you choose to become a "creator proffesionest you usually spend more money than gained for/from your products.

Developement
It would be interesting to note in article, that contrary to the popular belief that WoW was the sequel to WC3 expansion TFT,

the developement of it started parallelly to WC3 developement, they were made in sync using largely the same engine with slight modifications.

The announcement in ECTS 2001 September was long before the release of WC3 in July 2002 and TFT in July 2003.

With the announcement in ECTS 2001 Blizzard released also a gameplay video in addition to the cinematic trailer.

--62.65.192.83 (talk) 22:12, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Under "In other media"
Under "In other media", you might want to add CollegeHumor's "Run This Raid" parody of "Run This Town" song by Rhianna. This parody is very relevant to WoW. 24.49.35.99 (talk) 05:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

In addition to that, there is a reference to WoW in Supernatural, in the episode  Like a Virgin (Supernatural, Season 6, episode 116). 189.152.63.220 (talk) 03:52, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Tudorcelmic, 22 February 2011
Please change "The three secondary skills, cooking, fishing, and first-aid, can also be learned by characters." To: "The four secondary skills, archaeology, cooking, fishing, and first-aid, can also be learned by characters." With the arrival of cataclysm, archaeology was also added as a secondary skill/ profession. Thank you.

Tudorcelmic (talk) 17:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ I didn't quite word it the same way, but it's in there. ~  Matthewrbowker  Say hi! 20:01, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Addiction?
I'm thinking about adding a section about addiction. Has anyone tried that before? 131.252.90.103 (talk) 22:26, 3 March 2011 (UTC)Nick
 * Yes. Please search the talk archives for the subject. In summary: No, the article doesn't need such a section. --Izno (talk) 05:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request By EthanKid17
There are now 4 secondary Professions including the Fishing, Cooking, and First Aid, the new one is Archaeology. EthanKid17 19:19, 8 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talk • contribs)
 * Already in there. The three secondary skills, cooking, fishing, and first-aid, can also be learned by characters.[25] On December 7 2010, Archeology was added as a fourth skill characters could learn.[26]--Cube lurker (talk) 19:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * ok Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talk • contribs) 19:27, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request By EthanKid17

 * I don't see anywhere that some of the races such as worgen and goblins and dranai and finally the blood elves have been in added in cataclysm and burning crusade and in the lich king a new class was added called the deathknight — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthanKid17 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That info can be found in the article Gameplay of World of Warcraft.--Cube lurker (talk) 19:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Detailed information about the new races, Draenei/Blood Elf and Worgen/Goblin can be found in the Wrath of the Lich King and  Cataclysm articles, respectively.  The article has no sections concerning races. The article does not mention Taurens, for example, anywhere in the page, so unless a section is added about the races in the game, I don't see a reason to add what exists in the respective expansion pack articles. - SudoGhost (talk) 19:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Addiction
There seems to be growing evidence that such games are overly addictive. I believe a section on this is appropriate including some of the health implications and the decline in social capabilities.

(See http://www.wowdetox.com/ for some examples). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Fletcher (talk • contribs) 08:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

edit semi-protected Great! That's what I want to add here. I'll work on it this weekend. 131.252.90.103 (talk) 22:28, 3 March 2011 (UTC)Nick edit semi-protected Edit: Since I lack the qualifications to make any kind of changes on the main article, I'll just post a few thoughts here. Please bear with me if anything comes across as offensive or inappropriate, that wasn't my intention and I just need to comment for a class I'm taking. Addiction in gaming, especially online gaming, is a growing problem all over the world. In extreme cases, players have wound up hurting themselves or others, and sometimes actually dying for one reason or another as a result of game addiction. While researching the subject, I came across an interesting article(admittedly a few years old) about how the Chinese government is taking measures to fight this problem. They have imposed time restrictions on such games, preventing a person from playing too much in a given period of time. Something like this would probably not pass in the US, though it seems at least to be a positive step towards countering this issue. Perhaps the states could implement a similar alternative? Please post any thoughts or comments on the matter. here are just a few of the sites I came across while researching http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/21332-Gamer_attempts_suicide_with_sawblade http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/games/world-of-warcraft-addicts-to-get-ingame-shrinks-20090827-f0h6.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4183340.stm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.252.233.214 (talk) 23:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I think this is important, and am surprised it's 'protected' ... Please add this section; thanks! SenoLatzo


 * Hi. See my reply to the IP at . This has come up before. I've disabled the edit semi-protected request as this would be a controversial change. --Izno (talk) 05:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * actually you know what some guy at the UWMC is doing a study on how video games altogether are good for the mind and body i was a subject int that study. And I really don't consider it an addiction more of a lifestyle. --User:EthanKid17 EthanKid17 19:15, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
 * SenoLatzo, I am surprised that you are surprised that this article is protected. While there are many mature, intelligent and respectable players of WoW, the game does attract more than its fair share of "eager vandals", (to put it very politely). Without such protection, a faction war would erupt and Chuck Norris would receive his own section within a week.  Deterence  Talk 02:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)