Talk:World of Warcraft/Archive 2

Expansion Pack Info
we need to put that blizzard announced an expansion pack is comeing to WoW and that they are selling tickets to there upcmoing event that will allow peeps to get beta access once it is available. and no this is not a rumor is is bonified fact, Anyone who logged on to WoW last night nodoubtedly saw the notice about the expansion and the event so somewhere we should add this to the article.Tik 15:03, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Lag
There is no evidence of a change in packet transmission rate in these areas. The game performance delays are more likely related to client-side computational/graphic burdens or a delay in the server transmitting the glut of mob data that comes with suddenly entered a densely populated area. My speculation aside, there's no evidence that it's lag, so I'm removing "known as lag", as well as the following comment that Blizzard is working to fix it. Encyclopedia, not newspaper

You obviously didn't play much in the last two weeks. Ping rates in excess of 800ms with spikes of 3000ms and more. PPGMD 18:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

All latency related issues such as excess ping or random disconnects are often ISP issues after Blizzard's 1.3 patch for World of Warcraft. Since the updated fix, client side video lag has been reduced to nearly nothing when on ideal settings for client settings.


 * There were quite severe connectivity issues regarding the European realms over the last few weeks. Blizzard gave multiple "free days" as a result.  These have been resolved by Blizzard (upstream ISP blamed).  However, I feel this should be worth a mention in the section on Issues facing the player base, in a suitably neutral fashion. Comments?  -- Mewcenary 12:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, I don't think lag should really be mentioned ... it isn't a WoW-specific issue, and affects many other games. Also, the "lag" you encounter upon entering highly-populated areas, such as Ironforge, is caused by the client trying to load a large number of textures on short notice, rather than any inability of the servers to send data. --Arabani 21:52, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * In this instance, the lag was purely network oriented, rendering entire server farms unavailable to play. Players could not progress past the login screen.  It was this total failure that resulted in the free days being awarded.  Perhaps lag is the wrong term for this.  The fact that the entire systems can be unavailable for prolonged periods of time is certainly an issue which can be experienced by the player base at large. --Mewcenary 23:10, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
 * My point, though, was that this connectivity issue was, according to Blizzard, caused by their ISP, rather than anything Blizzard did. So, yes, while it might be an issue for the player base, it isn't specific to WoW or Blizzard ... it can happen to any online game. Since this article is about WoW, not online games in general, I don't think it really belongs in the article.
 * I don't see the section on lag in the article; did it already get deleted? In any case, I disagree - WoW has been notorious for having laggy servers.  Especially compared to, say, City of Heroes, which sometimes experiences complete server disconnects and then becomes available again within minutes, WoW has had extremely bad lag (rubberbanding, inability to summon pets, monsters not spawning or hitting you without showing up, followed by long periods of downtime, etc.).  And I don't think it matters whether it is anything that WoW or Blizzard did wrong - the fact that it affects the player base in general makes it notable.  Kjl 21:01, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Have implemented a neutral POV entry to detail that the game has had network and server issues. Notable because Blizzard gave free days as compensation. -- Mewcenary 09:20, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Macros
Under the Modifications section, I fail to see how macros are anything new or innovative. Star Wars Galaxies had them and plenty of other games have had them before World of WarCraft. --ChewyLSB 20:52, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

System reqs?
Maybe we should add a section the system reqs?

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The website and software contains plenty of info on the requirements - seems a tedious/trivial thing to add to a wiki, except I'd mention not to believe the stated system requirements - get a better graphics card and more RAM. --gnomelock 05:17, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

"The following requirements are as stated on the official World of Warcraft website, but are generally considered by players to be quite a bit over the suggested specifications." This is extremely badly worded and it took me ages to figure out what it was trying to say. I've changed it to: "The following requirements are as stated on the official World of Warcraft website, but generally players believe that these specifactions are too low for the game to be playable."--Tilmitt 14:51, 14 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Works for me. Much clearer now, and I certainly agree with the general belief that those specs are too low: playing WoW with 256 meg of ram would be pure masochism. --Stormie 02:03, August 15, 2005 (UTC)

External link overload
Do we need that whole bunch of external links to fansites? They've already been reverted once, but an anon (presumably the same one) has put them back. How many external links do we want here? I'd have thought the two official Blizzard ones would be enough, but I figured I'd ask before deleting them again. I did remove one that goes to a "not yet constructed" page, though. --Stormie 11:25, May 27, 2004 (UTC)


 * I agree, Stormie. I think that official sites should be mentioned, but starting to list all fan sites is a recipe for disaster.  There is no good way to keep track of every World of Warcraft fan site, and a Wikipedia entry is hardly a good place to start playing favorites.  I will remove the non-official links.  If anyone disagrees with this, let's discuss it some more instead of just reverting it. --Turias 21:15, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)


 * I for one like the WoW wiki, as it's user updatable and CAN hold the "list of fan sites" that we do not want Wikipedia to become. And because of my doubts that you come here often, I ran off to your page (Turias) and left a message. --TIB (talk) 23:26, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, I still feel that the purpose of a Wikipedia entry is not to provide a list to hundreds of World of Warcraft fan sites. Instead, is really should just describe the game itself.  Anyone else have any thoughts? Turias 14:56, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)


 * I think linking to the WoW Wiki could be a good idea - since we have a perennial problem of people getting carried away and adding way too much detail to articles ("fancruft", as some say), it could be good to be able to head them off and say, "hey, go on over to the WoW Wiki, all that detail would be great there, not here". &mdash;Stormie 23:07, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)


 * There is another wiki being build and dedicated to word of warcraft : http://www.alarash.net/wikiwow/ It uses mediawiki and we can probably add it to the external links as well.  --Hashar 21:57, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * There is yet another World of Warcraft wiki at wow.zoctagon.com. It also uses MediaWiki but doesn't yet have enough content to merit being added to the External Links section. Kevin 20:36, Oct 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * I'll add em, but no more, please!!! Too many wikis causes seperation of information. --TIB (talk) 17:42, Nov 21, 2004 (UTC)


 * Why not simply create a &#x201C;List of World of Worldcraft fan sites&#x201D; article and insert that single link into this article instead? -- sunny256 2005-03-08 22:48Z


 * That's a good idea. I think only the official websites should be listen in the actual WoW article, and a handful of the biggest websites. (See me edit). Havok 10:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How about adding http://www.worldofwar.net/cartography/ and/or http://ui.worldofwar.net/ ? First is a detailed atlas of every zone - second is another (better than CG I think) UI site. I added them myself to begin with before i saw this discussion, I have now removed them again to hear what you guys think about it. I'm also working on a detailed description of Talent Trees - and will be making a new article soon (Off-topic here I know). -- Skielboe 19:37, 9 August 2005 (UTC)


 * That is kinda biased, both are Worldofwar.net links, and there are many really good WoW sites out there. I think it's fine as it is right now. Havok 21:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Onyxia
i removed that last part from the onyxia part because i feel there isn't any need to discuss per server how often onyxia gets killed, it's also info that gets old real fast and is isn't of any actual use in some time when it gets killed all the time. Boneyard 07:51, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. &mdash;Stormie 13:53, May 30, 2005 (UTC)
 * I removed the entire section because it's over dramatized and simply not factual. Onxyia is taken down on a daily basis on most servers. Some guilds use her as a warm up before they head over to MC. PPGMD 23:13, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * fine with me also, still it was one of the harder enemies to beat at first, the first kill was quite something in my opinion so it isn't to odd to include it. now is different because more people are highest level and the tactics have been worked out. still it's one of the best known monsters i guess. Boneyard 07:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that a section on the high end content would probably be a good thing. But what was there was utter crap, and I removed it. But I think it should be in a section mentioning both Onxyia, and MC, along with the future instance Blackwing lair. PPGMD 20:14, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Leeroy Jenkins
One thing I think may deserve a mention would be Leeroy Jenkins. Every MMO has it's own cliches and community movements that define the game, in some cases each server has it's own also. I think that Leeroy Jenkins is part of the game server wide, and probably deserves a mention, sort of like how RvB is part of the Halo culture. PPGMD 20:21, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * nope, not needed, it's a short term hyped up thing that is fading away already. i don't see how you don't feel the first onyxia kill isn't worth mentioning, but some silly movie is. Boneyard 21:01, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Depends on who you group with. I still see the Leeroy yells on a daily basis. The entry on Onxyia was utter crap, it didn't fit any of the standards of Wikipedia (take another read of the deletion, it was over dramatized, not accurate, and frankly was racist at the end). A mention of the video which at least on Stormreaver is still gets mentioned quite a bit, would help plays understand what we are saying when people quote it almost daily. Now every server may be different, but I see both daily on Mal'ganis, and on Stormreaver. PPGMD 13:26, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think Leeroy Jenkins should be mentioned. It's definitely part of WoW culture. --Kevin 13:40, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not, a humorous video that has encouraged some players to shout "LEEEEROY nnnJENKINS!!!" ingame is about a million miles away from encyclopedic content. &mdash;Stormie 10:07, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * True some people yell it way too often, I see it about 3-4 times a day with other quotes used periodically. A mention of events that shaped the culture of the game is about as encyclopedic as mentioning a song about Captain Placeholder. PPGMD 15:45, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Since it redirects here, it should be mentioned. I searched it, was directed here (when I know good and well that the event takes place in WoW) and was disappointed to find absolutely no content on it. Either make it its own page or give it a small tag. Mr Bound 17:05, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
 * That Leeroy Jenkins redirects here should not be taken as evidence that it should be mentioned in this article. Leeroy and Leeroy Jenkins were both processed by VfD and deleted. Someone recreated Leeroy Jenkins with similar content to the previously-deleted versions, making it a speedy candidate, but MacGyverMagic wisely made it a redirect here to discourage recreation of deleted content. A &#1080; D &#1103; 01D  TALK  EMAIL  17:14, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

I added a short mention of Leeroy, and a link to the video. It's nothing in their face, but allows users wondering about it's all about to go view the video. I feel it's only appropriate because you see quotes daily in WoW. If it dies down completely we can remove it. But I feel it should stay since it was a defining game wide influence on the game culture. PPGMD 18:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I came to Wikipedia specifically because I figured at least one site out there would give a clear explanation for this Internet meme. Then, I'd know why my students are yelling this all the time. Previous memes like "All your base" "bananaphone" and "YTMND" have entries here. I can't find any sites that tell me about this video, if it was staged, etc. If that's not enough reason for inclusion in the Wikipedia, then what is?

It doesn't need it's own article. If you can just add more to this one, yes, that's better. MUCH better. If not, it shall be removed. --XeroHedgehog 01:31, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I don't know that Leeroy Jenkins can be considered a WoW-specific phenonemon. I'm not a WoW player, and came to Wikipedia looking for some info on this term, only to be told that Leeroy Jenkins is a popular phenomenon because of a video and that references to him exist in various other games. Not quite up to the level of detail that I have come to expect from Wikipedia... Wahming

This is ridiculous. I heard of Leeroy Jenkins on Adventure Quest without ever having played WOW, and thanks to this absurd redirect, I had to search elsewhere to find out exactly what the deal was. Leeroy is now a popular internet meme common to MULTIPLE MMORPG's, even to the extent that it appeared on Jeopardy. There are separate articles for much less well-known memes. Furthermore, individual aspects of games often have their own articles (see Runescape Economy, for example) Absolutely no reason for the redirect. None. If anything, it should redirect to the MMORPG article, but it would make the most sense for it to just have its own article.

I think it's very relevant. It's starting to be used as a verb in WoW. eg. "Don't leeroy plz kthx." --- Splice 6:30, 22 Dec 2005

comment
This article sucks, and is not comprehensive, especially for such a popular game. 205.222.241.108
 * You'll probably want to go ahead and start editing, then. Junjk 13:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Fourth or Fifth game?
I think World of Warcraft should be listed as the fourth game in the series as that adventure game has not actually been published and therefor World of Warcraft is the fourth game. Had the game been published it would have been the fifth in the Warcraft universe but it isn't.

Saying this would be like adding to Great Britain, "It is currently a democracy but would not have been had Hitler invaded". --Kevin 01:17, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)


 * Godwin's Law... -- &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide 20:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I say keep it the 5th, it clearly says that the adventure game was cancled. And Kevin does have a valid point. Havok 10:15, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Grid Error
On the new race/class grid, there is an error. Undead can be warlocks, but it fails to state this. Instead, it says they can be hunters. I would fix it myself but the code baffles me... perhaps the creator of the grid can fix this? Taziba 19:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Oops, corrected that. --Kevin 20:32, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

cost
what are the online prices for the game? per month, per year, or whatever. thnks


 * a google search would have told you it: "The month-to-month subscription plan costs $14.99 per month, the three-month plan costs $13.99 per month, and the six-month plan costs $12.99 per month." Boneyard 4 July 2005 19:48 (UTC)

Massively vs massive
Googlefight between "massively multiplayer online role-playing game" and "massive multiplayer online role-playing game". Also from Acronymfinder.
 * how lame, what an aweful word, mmorpg is tainted forever. i did use google to make the change, but not between quotes. Boneyard 14:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Hehe, it could have been worse; Huge Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. Or maybe not. ^^ Havok 15:52, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * huge i could handle, hugely would be worse :) Boneyard 08:22, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

"Nerf Shamans"
I took the nerf shaman stuff out of the main article, because there is no class-specific information in this article for any of the classes. I also wrote up a short paragraph on the subject, which may or may not be as NPOV as I think it is, and put it in the shaman article. Junjk 01:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Added short blurb about "Nerfing" to the Problems section under the bullet discussing balance. Basic definition and reasoning behind the nomenclature. Jmullman 15:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Added the launch section
based on a part of the sales section i created a new section called the launch. perhaps it can be moved to somewhere else but in any case i feel it didn't belong to the sales section, there one would expect info on the sales of the game, as i also updated. not about problems the game had at it's launch. Boneyard 12:40, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

screenshot
The top in the article is of a level 5 in a large raid. I can't help but think that's an awfully misrepresentated view of an ingame event. From my experience a raid of level 5's often leads to harassment of players or ingame "server protests". Might I suggest a screenshot change? Goodralph 04:15, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually I have been thinking about replacing it. Would pictures of raid groups on Onyxia's Lair and MC be allright? PPGMD 15:46, 3 August 2005 (UTC)


 * yeah some larger raid group would be nice. Boneyard 09:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

easter eggs
from a post on the joysitck gaming blog i saw this list from easter eggs and real live references in wow. anyone else think it would be useful to create a wiki article from this? would certainly be easier to keep updating then, because im sure the list isn't complete. here is the list of easter eggs and references Boneyard 09:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

talk page article size
this talk page is getting too large it seems, anyone around here familiar with creating an archive and putting the more done / closed issues in there? Boneyard 09:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Done --Kevin 00:30, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Camuffin
Too bad Willy on Wheels has the same initials as this game. :( Among a lot of nonsense by an anon, I was able to format abovementioned article. Is anyone willing to merge it here or is it too trivial for inclusion? - Mgm|(talk) 10:21, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
 * no need to include every silly article added here to prevent the so called knowledge from getting deleted. some things are simply not worth it, we could start added every item to this article, but that isn't needed. Boneyard 11:19, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Particularly since Thottbot turns up no results for such a thing. In fact, I'm going to go change that merge back to a speedy.  Junjk 18:44, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

WoWWiki
I've made a template to link to http://www.wowwiki.com, and I have entered wowwiki into the interwiki map. Look at World of Warcraft. wowwiki ~ Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 21:18, 2005 August 25 (UTC)


 * I don't see the point, but ok. Also, WoWWiki is full of PoV. Havok  (T/C) 08:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, but it is a very complete, useful resource. WoWWiki is not wikipedia, and may note conform to all of wikipedias' standards... dosen't mean it's not worthy of a link from the WoW page here.  Also, hi cyberskull - this is Silver - lost my pass here, had to start a new account ^^/ -- &#8465;ilver&#167;&#8465;ide 20:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Grinding
"While grinding is still a viable tactic for advancing lower levels, players who choose to quest will progress faster than those who simply kill monsters."

This is not correct. Level 60(the maximum) is attainable within 7 days by "Grinding", and not possible through quests.

Here's a thread on the topic; http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?FN=wow-mage&T=133340&P=1


 * I guess it depends on your idea of which levels are the lower ones. Up to level 15, questing is absolutely the fastest way to level up, and I call it about even until around 30 or so.  Junjk 15:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Various official links
Is it really necessary to list seven of the official World of Warcraft websites? Surely have only the English one (as this is en.wikipedia) would suffice? --Kevin 09:24, August 29, 2005 (UTC)
 * I removed all the links, except for US and EU. Havok  (T/C) 15:18, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Gamecard box
I think it's worth having the game card box in the article. Instead of including somewhere in the article that you can buy game cards instead of using a credit card it can be included in the caption. Very concise and too the point. I mean the point of images is to add something to the article, and the gamecard box does that... What do you think? - UnlimitedAccess 08:14, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the gamecard box does add anything to the article at all. A caption's primary function should be to describe the image and put it in context. A note somewhere about Blizzard selling gamecards would be adequate, they aren't important enough to merit a large picture of the box. --Kevin 09:37, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
 * Then we can make the image small.. :P - User:UnlimitedAccess

Profession chart
Do we really need it? Havok (T/C) 20:43, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes. The tiny list of professions was spoiling the whole article. A table suits the professions perfectly, although it could do with a little work to make it look nicer. --Kevin 21:44, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

I've spruced it up some and made it into a template shared by this article and the professions article. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠

non-implemented instances
"It is possible to enter these zones, either accidently or intentionally. It is however not advised as it is a bannable offense." I have never heard such a thing. As far as I know, entering a portal to an unimplemented zone does nothing. I've poked around a few and nothing happened to me. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 19:14, 2005 September 6 (UTC)
 * i think he means entering certain unfinished areas that are accessable, the portals don't work, but there are some unfished areas you can get into and i do believe you run the risk to get banned for that indeed. Boneyard 08:13, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Realistic sys requirements
What would realistic system requirements be for this game? Evercat 12:10, 7 September 2005 (UTC)


 * My observations:
 * 64MB video card with vertex and pixel shaders
 * 1GB RAM (I've noticed the game's memory usage doesn't go much above 500 MB, but that was not in battlegrounds when I looked.)
 * 1GHz CPU
 * However, I think we can leave the manufacturer's specs in the article. In addition, the latest version of your OS installed. After I put Mac OS X v10.4 on my laptop, I got an increase of around 10fps in the game. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 14:37, 2005 September 7 (UTC)

Warden?
Would it make any sense to make an article about Warden, the new anti-cheat system of Blizzard in WoW, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, and Starcraft? -- Myria 19:48, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * why not, the more info on wiki the better, but a seperate one then, just including it here makes less sense. Boneyard 21:37, 11 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I've tidied the information that was put in. POV was biased towards the way Warden performed its scanning.  Need to see more sources before we put that sort of thing in as fact, especially since exactly how Warden works is in dispute. Mewcenary 09:46, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Plague
I think there should the plague thats currently ongoing in the game should be mentioned. I mean heck, even the BBC website has an article about it.--Kross 20:16, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * It's mentioned on the ZG page. PPGMD 15:14, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know what ZG is. I came here thinking I might learn more about this virtual plague after reading the BBC page mentioned above (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4272418.stm) and this on the Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/21/wow_virtual_plague/) - but there is nothing. Jooler 17:33, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * The plauge started in the instance zone ZG. It was also hotfixed last week. PPGMD 20:59, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * ZG is Zul'Gurub. Hope that helps. Dread Lord C y b e r S k u l l ✎☠ 21:05, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think it should be mentioned in the main article as it is a major incident that it should have its own article. SYSS Mouse 04:07, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Shacknews
Back in the late '90s, Steve Gibson started sCary's Shuga' Shack. Essentially, it carried gaming news with a sense of humor.

Shacknews is the same place and it still carries gaming news. In this article, its been listed as a WoW fan site. While it carries news about WoW (and other games), it isn't devoted strictly to WoW.


 * Removed Shacknews reference. It didn't seem relevant to the Corrupted Blood entry.  I've tidied the entry in general, and put in how the incident was reported by the more mainstream press, notably BBC News. Mewcenary 09:47, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Location of Mt. Hyjal
Mt. Hyjal is indeed south-west of Winterspring (see ), any edit to change it to any other direction should be reverted. --Stormie 01:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
 * okie, ill keep an eye on it. Boneyard 08:10, 21 October 2005 (UTC)