Talk:Wovoka

Ghost Shirts
This article seems to suggest that it was Wavoka himself that encouraged the use of "Ghost Shirts". Maybe it should be at least noted that it was Kicking Bear that introduced the idea of ghost shirts to the Sioux. Brianpritt (talk) 08:08, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

To do to improve
Please cross off the list as they have been completed. Thanks. CJLippert 19:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * in-line citations
 * more references
 * more on the spread of his vision and the spread of the Ghost Dance
 * separate out into subsections within the article about Wovoka from other instances named after him

Wovoka's Father
Based on the sources I've read, the association between Wovoka and the person known as Tavibo or Numu-Taibo is very uncertain. Very little is known about Tavibo, and there are doubts that he ever existed. Toiyabe 21:08, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

A biography of Wovoka's father, Tavibo, appears in the American National Biography (Oxford University Press, 1999, vol. 21, pages 348-349). This biography says that Tavibo was born about 1830 and died about 1915. I don't know if this is "proof" of his existence but figured it worth mentioning. grumpykansan 1 May 2006


 * Strange - Other sources mention that Wovoka's father died when he was young (long before 1915), which is why he went to live with the Wilson family. Toiyabe 14:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I doubt that his father was named Numu-Taibo as that translates to "Comanche White Man" in the Comanche language. Seems like too much of a coincidence to me.64.132.32.162 (talk) 18:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

His father's name was Numu-tibo'o, also called Tavibo, according to Wovoka biographer Michael Hittman (1997) and James Mooney (1896) (although Mooney incorrectly identified Numu-tibo'o as being Wodziwob, the founder of the 1870 Ghost Dance), and yes, it does translate to something like "White-Man", which both Hittman and Cora Du Bois (1939) believe might be one of the reasons Mooney made his error. Vyselink (talk) 02:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I see now that the name Numutibo'o does translate to Paiute White Man. The similarity to the Comanche translation is a result of both tribes speaking Numic Uto-Aztecan languages. Like the Comanche, who were an offshoot of the Shoshone, they referred to themselves as Numunu. And the word for white man was also similar. There were friendly relations between some Shoshone bands and some Paiutes as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.145.1.30 (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Sir Jonathon Clay III?
Who is Sir Jonathon Clay III and how could he possibly be related to Wovoka? Toiyabe 23:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll be back
There is so much wrong with this article that it's going to take a while to fix it. I've removed the most glaring mistakes (Numu-tibo'o was Wovoka's father but was NOT Wodziwob, that was an erroneous claim by Mooney which was later disproven by Du Bois, as Numutibo'o didn't die until 1912, while Wodziwob died in 1872). I also removed completely false claims from the website crystalinks.com. It's a non-RS, and is completely wrong. I'll do more editing over the coming few days. Vyselink (talk) 02:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)