Talk:WrestleMania 23/Archive 2

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 * please do not add information related to matches/competitors, etc. until it is confirmed by WWE themselves. Rumours, stuff on fansites, that aint good enough. It's GOT to come from WWE themselves!Suriel1981 08:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a notice at the top of the main article stating do not add any information that has not been aired to the public yet on official media such as organization television programs or websites. "Official" means from the WWE themselves. Ignoring that notice could be considered vandalism. Suriel1981 13:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Is that why this page is semiprotected? - Desmond Hobson 19:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, this happens with EVERY WWE pay-per-view. Anon IP's keep vandalizing the article, unfortunelty it doesn't stop established users from doing the same. TJ Spyke 21:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've issued User:Crossface with a Level 2 vandalism warning due to him ignoring the notices and inserting unconfirmed information. S/he blatantly ignored the guidelines clearly stated on the article itself and so their edit could not be considered anything else. Suriel1981 13:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Had to do a revert just now due to someone changing the punctuation and making it incorrect... They were so cosmically desperate to "make their mark" they moved a COMMA! Suriel1981 15:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

ECW World Title
Does anyone know if the ECW title will be defended at Wrestlemania? Big Boss 0 15:05, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You'd think so, because it is one of the top three titles. But, with Lashley now OFFICIALLY wrestling as Trump's representative, who knows? Lashley has a match tonight for the ECW championship against Hardcore Holly in a steel cage, so that might be how he loses the title, which would allow Lashley to fight at WM and still have there be an ECW title match. Or, maybe the ECW and IC titles will be on the line as well in the match. Ooo...that'd be cool. But, as of right now, we simply don't know for sure, but my guess would be yes. Anakinjmt 19:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

also can someone add that the hair vs hair match will also have a special guest referee, according to wee.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.159.2.32 (talk • contribs)
 * I assume you mean wwe.com, and they said it's a POSSIBILITY. TJ Spyke 04:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Both titles being on the line is a good possibility. Big Boss 0 22:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Have to guess neither titles will be on the line. It's a gimmick match already and the issues with Trump/McMahon (ego vs ego) would overshadow the importance of the titles. Suriel1981 15:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It would devaluate the titles not to defend them at Wrestlemania. Big Boss 0 02:58, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

My guess would be each costs the other his title before WM. However, at this point in time it's all speculation, we'll just have to wait and see. B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 03:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If anyone loses his title, it'll most likely be Lashley. Last time the IC title was defended at WM was X8, so we've gotten used to it not being defended (which I still say is ridiculous). For a World Title to not be defended though, does devalue the title. Anakinjmt 17:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

But still the ECW title should be on the line. Big Boss 0 14:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * why should it??? Cradle666 15:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Theme song
Is "2 Step" really the theme song? I thought it was some song by Saliva, with the words "Ladies and gentlemen please, pay attention to me" or something like that. Michael Cole mentioned that Saliva was the artist on a recent edition of WWE Friday Night SmackDown! - Desmond Hobson 19:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, a regular theme vandal that I'll just report for sockpuppetry right now. :) --  oakster    TALK   20:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As of right now, Tuesday 2-27-07 at 3:07 PM EST, only Saliva's song is the theme song for WM 23. Any other source that says there's more songs cannot be trusted, as WWE.com mentions only one song. Until other songs are mentioned, the addition of more songs should be considered vandalism. Anakinjmt 20:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, there is now a secondary theme song listed in the article, by Default (band). Did i miss this announcement, is it true? Or is this not confirmed?ProtoWolf 21:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's on the WrestleMania website : "Special thanks to Default for providing "The Memory Will Never Die" for use at WrestleMania 23. The song is from the band's TVT Records' release One Thing Remains, which is available in stores now." TJ Spyke 21:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hall of Fame
I couldnt add this to the original discussion about the Hall of Fame so i started a new one.

I dont think it needs to be added to the page at all, before or after the event. Theres already a page for the Hall of Fame so it could just be added there. Don.-.J 20:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking at WM XX, WM 21, and WM 22, all three pages mention the Hall of Fame and who was inducted, so precedence dictates we do the same. Anakinjmt 20:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So? This is like the Royal Rumble, we wait until it is officially announced by WWE. TJ Spyke 21:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I mean, once they announce they show up at WM, we add it because of precedence. Sheesh, dude, calm down. Anakinjmt 04:20, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The Hall of Fame, since it's introduction to WrestleMania, has always been a part of the event. There is a brief presentation of all of the Hall of Famers, or representatives of the Hall of Famers, at WrestleMania. WM21 and 22 showed them right before the title main events. Also, WWE.com's WrestleMania page has a direct link to this year's Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame ceremony has their own event right before WrestleMania. That should not exclude naming the Hall of Fame inductees for this year on the WrestleMania page. AJFederation 15:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, okay, THIS is a good one. I've just reverted the page of Kevin Wacholz because some idiot fanboy wrote he was going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame! Yes, that's NAILZ in the HoF!! These people need to get off the crack! Suriel1981 14:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Lashley/Austin
It was announced by E! on Feb. 20 that Donald Trump will be represented by Bobby Lashley, and Stone Cold Steve Austin will be the special guest referee. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.234.95.11 (talk • contribs).

1)Actual source? and 2)That is not official since Trump's rep won't be announced until next Monday. TJ Spyke 03:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC) On WrestleZone.com, they posted a screenshot of a show on E! called "Daily 10" that showed Lashley, Trump, Austin in a referee shirt, McMahon, and Umaga taking promo shots for the WM match. It's pretty much confirmed, but shouldn't be posted until Raw when it's officially announced. Patriot174 03:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC) It doesn't mean the match will happen though. TJ Spyke 21:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC) no they just did the shoot for the hell of it. Cradle666 20:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC) Ever heard of photoshop? Koberulz 08:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Blimey, who ever did that photoshop has had a good guess at Lashley being in the match hasnt he (or she) and theres a special ref. who would have guessed it? Cradle666 21:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * His point is that it wasn't official. Also, there is no special ref yet. TJ Spyke 21:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * yea we know that, i was being sarcastic, but vince did say there was going to be oneCradle666 21:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, Vince said the WWE Board of Directors was considering one. Yes there probably will be one, but officially it's just a possibility right now. TJ Spyke 21:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * sorry i take that one back, misread it on wwe.com. its on so late over here cant ever concentrate on it when watching it, got to look up on wwe.com to remember what you watched Cradle666 21:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Can we be 90% sure of what's going to happen regarding Guest Referees? Of course we can. That is not the point. This isn't some smart-mark fansite. This is Wikipedia and we will not make any alterations to the match listings that are not sourced by WWE. It's that simple. Any transgressions will be viewed as vandalism (given the warnings on the main page and on this page). Suriel1981 11:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

mitb
wwe.com dosent add mr kennedy to the graphic should he still be here on wiki because you guys only follow wwe.com if im not mistaken. were not alowed to add spoilers put yet u may have the wrong info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.132.160.40 (talk • contribs)

He won a qualifying match on ECW on Sci-Fi this past Tuesday night. It's not wrong since it aired on US Television on official WWE programming. B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 06:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

In fact, the WrestleMania article on this year's match mentions that Mr. Kennedy qualified on ECW on Sci-Fi,despite that he doesn't yet appear in the graphic. B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 06:20, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That is odd he isn't on the graphic. BMG is right though, it's been official since Tuesday night when ECW aired in the US. TJ Spyke 06:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * its weird. i just looked and on the first graphic he is not on it, but if you click on it for the main MITB article hes there Cradle666 20:52, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Battle of the Billionaires
I've reverted the deletion of "Battle of the Billionaires" refs in the main article, the simple reason being that is how the match is being billed by WWE (take a look:, ). For that reason I suggest the match be billed as such on this article. Suriel1981 08:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless there is still a good reason, mention of a special guest referee should be added. The RAW preview on WWE.com states that a special guest ref will be announced for the match, and last night on Smackdown Vince announced that they would name someone on RAW. I'll go ahead and add it in. Anakinjmt 20:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Match taglines should always be in articles, in my opinion. Movie articles have taglines: and it does no harm. Also: wrestling PPV/event articles have taglines for the event itself, so match taglines shouldn't be left out either. RobJ1981 11:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that Vince McMahon has dropped off the Forbes list of billionaires... Perhaps we should remove the "BOTB" tag? False advertising...? ;^) Suriel1981 12:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should remove it as WWE is still billing it as such. B mg 9 1 6  Speak to Me 17:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no worries, I was only kidding. I can't resist an opportunity for a shot at Vinny Mac Suriel1981 17:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Who could resist? :-) B mg 9 1 6  Speak to Me 18:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Vince hasn't been a billionaire for several years (you can blame the XFL for that, he was a billionaire before it but wasn't the next year). That hasn't stopped him from calling himself one (or Stephanie from being called a Billion-Dollar Princess). TJ Spyke 01:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I found Forbes classification of him as one last year as suspicious (though they are a known authority). The vast majority of his wealth lies in WWE shares which have dropped a lot since Vince's stock was valued at $1b when they floated on the stock market. Suriel1981 09:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

buried alive?
Undertaker pretty much confirmed that the match is gonna be buried alive on Smackdown last night so do you think we should add it in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestlinglover420 (talk • contribs)
 * That is a rumor response to his vignette on SmackDown. That is pure speculation. Unless that is billed for the event officially by WWE (either said on WWE TV, or posted on WWE.com), it should not be mentioned. AJFederation 16:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * He pretty much confirmed nothing. He was playing mind tricks. We do not add stuff unless it is announced by WWE. TJ Spyke 23:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

SPOILER REMOVED wiil be the special guest referee for the Billionaires Match so just add him now becuase i am know i am so right —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.1.185.92 (talk • contribs)
 * No, because no official source has announced that. Sign your comments from now on. TJ Spyke 22:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I can not wait unitl raw to prove u wrong TJspyke names matt
 * Dude, we all know who it is. We are just waiting for the WWE to officially announce it on TV and/or their website. This is an encyclopedia; not a wrestling fansite to look up all the latest spoilers. 声  援  --  The   Hyb  rid  02:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a matter of proving right or wrong. It's a matter of this is not some smart mark fan site, it is an encyclopedia, and therefore cannot contain anything that has not been announced on Raw or WWE.com. For all intensive purposes, I'm pretty sure TJ Spyke knows who it's gonna be as well, and thinks it's the same person you do. When he said sign your comments he meant type four tildes ( ~ ) like that at the end of your comments. B mg 9 1 6  Speak to Me 02:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have seen the pic that was on E!, so yes I do know who it will be. As the others have said though, the policy in this situation is to wait for WWE to announce it. TJ Spyke 02:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm so sick of this. Why does this happen every single WWE PPV? I've been editing WWE articles since about 2004 and every one this happens. Can't their just be one PPV where we can avoid this? -- Kings bibby win 03:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, kings bibby, I highly doubt it unless we can get a pre-emptive block on each one. B mg 9 1 6  Speak to Me 03:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well Mr.BMG how do you think we would go about doing that?. I'm unfamiliar with that concept. How would we do that though? -- Kings bibby win 04:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Get someone in WP:PW made an admin when they are on RfA, preferably someone who is willing to disregard the rules when it would benefit Wikipedia. Don't expect this to happen anytime soon, however. 声  援  --  The   Hyb  rid  04:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I wish we could. I can't remember the last WWE PPV article that didn't need to be semi-protected thanks to IPs (TNA is still much smaller, so their PPV articles don't need to be semi-protected as often). There is a wrestling friendly admin named Nishikid64 (he is the one who usually grants the semi-protection requests for WWE articles), but I don't know if he would be willing to break WP rules by issuing a pre-emptive block. TJ Spyke 04:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It would probably be unfair for us to ask him to put his neck on the line. However, this gives me an idea... 声  援  --  The   Hyb  rid  04:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Am I the only one who thinks the current picture is no good? It's very pixelated, and it's not the official poster. The poster I added (which ThatsHowIRoll keeps removing because he wants his picture in) is the one used at the WWE Affiliates site and is not pixelate (it's very clear and crisp). Here is the one he keeps removing Image:WrestleMania 23 poster.jpg. TJ Spyke 23:28, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And your not removing mine cause you don't want your picture in? I got it from the WWE Affiliates site and there was no need to replace it with your image. There was nothing wrong with Image:Wrestlemania_23.jpg and it didnt need to be changed. ThatsHowIRoll 23:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Your image did not come from WWE Affiliates. They only have 1 poster there, and it's the one I uploaded. TJ Spyke 00:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but I think I would know where I got the image from. It came from that site, for some reason the password I'm using won't let me log in now. ThatsHowIRoll 00:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Using that image violates no copyright laws. --  The  Hyb  rid  23:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I said it violated copyright laws caused he changed someone else's property. ThatsHowIRoll 23:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * As long as he isn't making money off of it in any way, shape, or form it isn't something that can be prosecuted. However, since they are basically the same image without a great deal of difference in quality I shall bow out of this as quickly as I came in. Peace, --  The  Hyb  rid  23:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Cropping pictures isn't against any rules. Plus, the pic I uploaded is better quality (better resolution and less pixelated). TJ Spyke 00:04, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't really care anymore. If most editors want the big white spot at the bottom of the image then whatever. I'm about to stop editing Wikipedia altogether. ThatsHowIRoll 00:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Spyke's does look better, and his doesn't have white space at the bottom Roll, yours does. Anakinjmt 00:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you have your pictures straight? Mine: Image:Wrestlemania_23.jpg TJ Spyke:Image:WrestleMania 23 poster.jpg I just think mine was fine and didn't need to be changed. ThatsHowIRoll 00:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yours has that big white space and is very pixelated, mine doesn't have that white space and is crystal clear. TJ Spyke 00:25, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Spyke's looks clearer and doesn't have white space. And, is it really worth quitting over some stupid picture? It's just a picture! Anakinjmt 00:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Whatever, I quit Wikipedia. There is no point arguing about the picture. There is way more important things in life then editing Wikipedia. ThatsHowIRoll 00:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Dang, picture takers are needed. Please don't quit. This type of thing with pictures is actually quite rare. --  The  Hyb  rid  00:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Something like this isn't worth quitting WP over, especially since you are a good editor. TJ Spyke 00:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just sick of some of the stuff that happens on this site. This article completely ruined the Stone Cold announcement for me. Since I'm actually going to WrestleMania this year I thought I would try to help this article out. But I just want to enjoy the run to WrestleMania without getting things spoiled for me. ThatsHowIRoll 01:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * All of us hate that. Me and others work hard to make sure spoilers aren't added, and I always putting a warning template on the talkpages of those who do it. Despite the fact that there is a big box at the top saying not to add spoilers and a warning in the matches section, people still do it for some reason. TJ Spyke 01:11, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, the spoilers are the worst part of this. However, you can avoid them by not editing the PPV articles. Not much of a choice either way, but... --  The  Hyb  rid  02:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, spoilers suck. What really sucks though is that E! had to ruin it twice, both Trump's rep and Austin as special guest ref. WWE should sue them. Anakinjmt 02:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'm definitely staying away from PPV articles from now on. See you all at WrestleMania! ThatsHowIRoll 03:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with all of you. Spoilers are little things that keep people away from Wikipedia. The way we can avoid is add the Pre-Empt, but we need an admin. -- Kings bibby win 16:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The article has been semi-protected for awhile, but the problem is established users do it too. TJ Spyke 00:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

why dont you use the one on the wrestlemania site with the promo for hair vs hair match at the top and the chapmionship matches at the bottom? http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.29.169.142 (talk • contribs)
 * It's not the promo poster though. TJ Spyke 00:06, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

New Match
a match between the ecw new breed and the ecw originals has been added to the event, it is a 4 on 4 tag match. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.132.71 (talk) 05:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Read man, read. It was already in there when you said it. --  The  Hyb  rid  05:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

STOP ADDING MVP AND BENOIT!
MVP challenged. Benoit has yet to accept. It hasn't been stated that they will wrestle on WWE.com or a WWE program. I have no doubt that the match will happen, but it's not official so it DOSEN'T BELONG HERE. I've seen it removed at least 1/2 dozen times already. Gavyn Sykes 02:52, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly, anybody who watched SmackDown would know that Theodore Long said he would consider the match. It probably will happen, but it's not official (this applies to those who keep adding Kane-Khali as well). TJ Spyke 02:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It's about time some one said it, thank you... B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 03:01, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Same thing that happened with the whole "OMG LKIE AUSTIN IS TEH SPECAL GUETS REFAREE!" CAN we be 99% sure these matches will happen? Yes. Have they been OFFICIALLY been announced? No? Then don't add them. What people can't get about that concept, I have no idea. Anakinjmt 03:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You just made me fall on the floor laughing, oh I'm wiping away a tear. I don't understand what people don't get about that concept either, but oh thank you for the laugh! :-D B mg 9 1 6  Speak to Me 03:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Um...ok, lol. Care to clue me in as to what you found funny? Please? Anakinjmt 03:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The "OMG LKIE AUSTIN IS TEH SPECAL GUETS REFAREE!" part, it's true, but it's funny all at the same time. B mg 9 1 6  Speak to Me 03:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, lol. Yeah, that's basically what happened. That represents all the fanboys out there who just had to let us know that Austin was the guest ref, even if not officially confirmed. Anakinjmt 03:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I was hoping for some agreement. Your welcome! Honestly, people need to read the damn Wikipedia rules......Gavyn Sykes 03:29, 11 March 2007 (U
 * Okay enough. I let it slide the first couple of times, but now it needs to stop. Wikipedia's talk pages are here to improve Wikipedia articles. Not to laugh about IP's who don't no how to spell. I'm not trying to be mean or get on peoples case but it's the rules.Read WP:TP. Any other comments further on about this will be deleted and if continued will be considered vandalism. Sorry but I'm just trying to help whats best for WP. -- Kings bibby win 05:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

How about something along the lines of "Chris Benoit has challenged Montel Vontavious Porter to a match." It would also stop people adding the match in, since it's already referred to. Okay, maybe not stop, but it has a good chance of lessening the number of times it occurs. It stops the people who think "Oh, it's not there. I'll add it." and just leaves the morons who deliberately vandalise this stuff. Koberulz 07:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No challenge has been issued though. MVP asked Theodore Long for a title shot (not the same as a challenge). Long said he would think about it (meaning he'll probably announced it at the SD taping tonight. TJ Spyke 08:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's any comfort, it seems our brothers and sisters at the Business Wikiproject have also had their hands full keeping the fanboys from wrecking the Donald Trump article Suriel1981 11:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

We are in a big war,the fanboys outnumber us ten to one but we must prevail...for the sake of the wikipedian empire(just saw 300) User:Atomic Religione

I haven't seen the episode in question yet, I was guessing based on what had been written here. In that case, maybe list that he has requested the match, for the same reasons I outlined above. Koberulz 11:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

We don't list requests. We list definitive matches that are certain to occur per WWE TV programming or WWE.com. B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 12:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. "Challenged" was the wrong word to use. Sorry. Gavyn Sykes 14:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

It's now official: Benoit and MVP will battle for the US title. Finally, this whole thing can end. Anakinjmt 02:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Listing somewhere on the page that MVP had asked for the match would, however, prevent idiots from adding it to the page thinking that no-one else saw the segment in question.Koberulz 10:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. I've lost count of how many people come on the talk page and say "add this match" without checking and seeing that the match was already added. TJ Spyke 11:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Then they're not adding it themselves, are they? Our problem is the people that actually add it, not the people that don't. Koberulz 01:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't do any good anyways from my experience. For example, people have been adding Kane/Khali ever since Khali first attacked Kane (even though the match only became official a few days ago). TJ Spyke 01:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Lashley/Umaga listing order
It should be Umaga first: as he was the first announced wrestler, as Lashley was announced second. I read TJ's summary of Trump being announced first: but he is the manager, not the actual wrestler for the match. (And before people post "it doesn't matter because it will be gone when Wrestlemania takes place"): it does matter, because Money in the Bank is in order of when they qualified. Umaga/Lashley should be no different. RobJ1981 15:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter. In the end, the winner is going to be listed first. People seem to get in fights over the stupidest things and in the end, it won't matter after the PPV airs. -- Scorpion 15:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Timbaland appearance
I'm not sure if it's worth putting on the article yet, but according to Timbaland's MySpace profile he claims that he's making a performance at WrestleMania. --  oakster    TALK   21:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it's not, IMO. Wait until WWE annouces it. --Dave. 22:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Ortons out
Since he lost against Lashley orton is now officially out of the money in the bank. Wrestlinglover420

No, he's not. He would've been out if he didn't show up to face Lashley B mg 9 1 6  Speak to Me 17:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Kane Vs The Great Khali
Kane Vs The Great Khali is the newest match annonced for wrestlemania. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.88.92.159 (talk) 19:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

yes, that would be why it's in the article already. B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 19:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Good Lord, people need to read! Gavyn Sykes 20:25, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

promo poster
y was the promotion poster changed to this one shouldnt u discuss it also its not the official poster for wrestlemania 23 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.132.166.80 (talk • contribs)

Edge Out
i was reading somewhere that edge suffered a fractured jaw against rvd and now will not be in the MITB at WrestleMania/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.132.100 (talk) 20:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Nothing on WWE.com about it, so Edge is still in the match. Perhaps if you provided a legitimate source? Anakinjmt 20:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. That makes no sense, anyway. If he had an injured jaw, he wouldn't be talking so much. He may be injured though, since he's been copping out of his matches. Well anyway, unless it's stated on WWE.com or on TV, it stays out of the article. Gavyn Sykes 21:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * i have also seen on various sites that he has fractured his jaw, however they all state that WWE is keeping him out of the ring until WM23Cradle666 21:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Well then this answers my question on why he hasn't been in the ring here lately. Big Boss 0 14:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you read the same thing as me it said Edge is injured and he wont be competing until WrestleMania Don.-.J 11:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * yes thats what i said a couple of comments up Cradle666 15:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Edge is out as mentioned on WWE Raw tonight as his spot will be determined in a last chance battle Royal.

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 * But technically he's not out of the match yet, he just has to win the battle royal to retain the spot. TJ Spyke 01:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * which he won so he's still in Cradle666 18:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Once again I have to be captain Bring Down. Edge is still in. He eliminated Ric Flair. Big Boss 0 14:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

WrestleMania 24
Breaking News WrestleMania 24 will be held at Orlando's Florida Citrus Bowl Stadium
 * Yes, it's been added to the WrestleMania article. B mg 9 1 6  Speak to Me 15:08, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Clearly the average reading age for fanboys is very low. Perhaps we should count our blessings that the main WM23 article hasn't yet been replaced with Wrestlmaina 24 is guna b in Orlando whch is wher TNA is so thur guna invade n STONE COLD STEVE AUSTAIN is guna b ther TNA sux Cena rulz LOLZ Suriel1981 17:45, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm more concerned over the fact it has nothing to do with this article than anything. This is about 23, not 24. --  O akster   T alk   20:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Ashley or Ashley Massaro?
I don`t know where you saw it but Ashley doesn`t go by her last name in the WWE. I don`t remember hearing her name & the match is billed as Melina vs. Ashley. So why should she be named as Ashley Massaro? --Soopafred 23:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They sometimes shorten it to just Ashley, but she does use both (for example, look at the Playboy cover). TJ Spyke 23:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember anyone every mentioning or displaying her last name in months. I think her page on wwe.com is just "Ashley" like Melina Perez' is just "Melina."Gavyn Sykes 02:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't remember WWE ever calling Melina by her full name. She also uses her full name in her "Bangin with Ashley" columns. So it looks like she uses both (just Ashley is more frequent). TJ Spyke 00:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

That's my point, they haven't and they don't for Ashley anymore. I've never read her column so I didn't know that. Well either is fine anyway, it's kind of a pointless debate. Gavyn Sykes 02:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

"Matches" versus "Announced Matches"
We were discussing this back at WP:PW. The main argument for "Announced Matches" is pretty much that the event hasn't taken place yet and it could be a good idea to reflect that the card is subject to change. This would bring wrestling PPVs in line with UFC for example, for example UFC's next show UFC_Fight_Night_9. Given that WWE cards have recently been known to change on the day of the show this could be a positive change in article protocol. Suriel1981 00:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I concur. B mg 9 1 6 Speak to Me 00:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. In fact we used the similar "Scheduled matches" title for WrestleMania 22 last year. --  O akster    T alk   11:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I only started using "Matches" because another user kept bitching when I would change it to "Results" or "Match Results" once the show started. Why should we do what UFC is doing? Matches sounds better than Announced Matches, the Announced part is redundant. 19:59, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The points for have been made here, also at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling. I don't personally see how either sounds "better" than the other. The Announced part will not be redundant until the matches have taken place because up until then the card is still always subject to change. Suriel1981 21:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's redundant because we don't add unannounced matches, thus all matches listed are announced. TJ Spyke 21:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

We're not using the word "announced" in that context. Read the above discussion and take a look at the WP:PW link. Suriel1981 21:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's wrong, and "Matches" sounds better, but I won't change it. TJ Spyke 21:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean "it's wrong"? A match is only "announced" or "scheduled" until it takes place. Up until then, as I think was clearly pointed out, it is subject to change. Hence the use of the word "announced" or "scheduled" to reflect that status. I'm sorry but you haven't put a single point forward other than unexplainedly you think your version "sounds better". That isn't a valid reason to oppose a proposed style progression. Suriel1981 21:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Reading comprhension FTL. I said i'm not going to change it, but it's not needed to say "Announced" or "Scheduled" because of coarse they can change. TJ Spyke 21:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

This whole thing doesn't even matter anyway. --  The  Hyb  rid  22:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Preformances
shouldnt you mention that ludacris and Timbaland are going to preform at mania.

source pwmania.com sohh.com and Timbalands my space acoount —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.225.114.108 (talk • contribs)


 * Timbaland has indeed posted on his myspace that he will perform at WrestleMania and if this is truly official then there should be a WWE announcement soon just like with the Aretha Franklin announcement. Until then, I suggest we leave it off the page.-- bullet proof  3:16 06:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well a WWE/Timbaland partnership has been officially announced but no announcement for a WrestleMania appearance yet. --  O akster   T alk   19:59, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Formating
on the announced matches section, normally all the names are in bold n stuff, just look at the previous WrestleMania listings. Should we not change the formatting to be like that? Govvy 19:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:PW. This format is used for scheduled matches. Once the matches have taken place they are placed in bold like in other WrestleMania articles.-- bullet proof  3:16 19:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

okay, that's all I needed to know. :p Govvy 20:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Listing of Lumberjills
There seems to be a good amount of activity over the lumberjills, by looking at the history of the page. What's going on? GIGGAS2 04:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the match, and JustMaria basically admitted to changing the order for no reason. I have now put them on the order WWE.com lists them, so there is no reason to change it again (or in the first place). TJ Spyke 04:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm with TJ. --  The  Hyb  rid  04:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The order I put them first was based on the Lumberjill Match Graphic whenever they announced the Lumberjill Match JustMaria 02:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Is "lumberjill" a real word?? Suriel1981 12:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, it's a play on the word Lumberjack and Jack and Jill. --  O akster   T alk   12:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Aye, so I guessed. Similar to the phrase "jilling off" I'm thinking. Suriel1981 01:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "Jilling off"? I've never heard of that phrase (which is surprising since I thought I knew all the different terms for masturbation). Anyways, i'm just glad WWE decided to use the right name of the match instead of calling it a "Diva Lumberjack match" like they did at Cyber Sunday. TJ Spyke 01:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Lumberjill is the word used in the Lumberjack competitions when referring to the women. Jilling off, eh. Interesting, --  The  Hyb  rid  01:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * A Google search turned up 17,800 hits for "jilling off". The things I do in the name of scientific research... Suriel1981 03:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Kristal and Maria were removed from the Lumberjill match picture on the official WrestleMania website. Removed them from the listing here. Patriot174 16:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Timbaland
hurry up and mention him —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.225.114.108 (talk) 09:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Why? WWE has not said he will perform, so it's not official. TJ Spyke 10:08, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And out of curiousity, what will happen if we don't mention him in time? Suriel1981 13:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * i wonder why he has announced he will perform and WWE hasn't. also, why would he perform there? as far as im aware he doesn't do any entrance music. Cradle666 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * For the publicity probably. Bmg 916 Speak to MeLeave Your Mark 14:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Remember a couple of years ago Jay-Z and Fobolous (sic) were all up for doing a battle-rap thing with Cena and that never happened Suriel1981 15:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Dark Match: 20-Man Battle Royal
The heavily rumored 20-man battle dark match has officially been announced. Add it.

heres proof: http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2007/articles/1175348953.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.82.78 (talk • contribs)


 * That's not proof. That's a fansite. Suriel1981 15:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not official at all. official would be from WWE themselves. That site is just part of the rumour mill. Bmg 916 SpeakSign 15:49, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

That guy is right, it was officilly confirmed by WWE, it's just not on WWE.com, dark matches never are. -Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.82.78 (talk • contribs)
 * Do you understand the concept of confirmed? If WWE has not said it, then it's NOT confirmed by them. Geez, even a 3 year old can understand that logic. TJ Spyke 00:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * If it isn't on WWE.com, then you have no proof that the WWE officially confirmed it. That site isn't reliable by Wikipedia standards. --  The  Hyb  rid  00:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

You all know he is right, so just add it. - John K. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.82.78 (talk • contribs)

Here's an idea John K. Read the template at the top of the main page. You know the bit that says "do not add any information that has not been aired to the public yet on official media such as organization television programs or websites"...? Or even read the subsection below. Suriel1981 01:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Exactly! It would be unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is not a wrestling news site - it's an online ENCYCLOPEDIA.

We can't add anything that hasn't been officially confirmed on WWE.com or on a WWE Television program - END OF STORY!

On another note to sign your name/IP address, type 4 tildes (~) at the end of your post. Gavyn Sykes 01:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * John K, you do know that we can check your IP? So we know you are agreeing with yourself (since you started this section). TJ Spyke 01:31, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha! This is fun to watch. -- bullet proof  3:16 01:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * We've already heard from "John" and "Paul", I'm just waiting for the rest of the Disciples to pop up. And hopefully with more logic like "WWE confirmed it, they just didn't confirm it" Suriel1981 01:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Zing!-- bullet proof  3:16 01:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Next week on as WP:PW rumour mill turns: "Did you guys HeRE?!> Wresltmeania 24 is gunna be in rLOanDO and thatz where tey have TNA and WWE is gunna invade n kick there butz cause John Cenuh RULEZ THE WERLd." Bmg 916 SpeakSign 04:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha! "rLOanDO" Haha!-- bullet proof  3:16 05:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)