Talk:XXXTentacion/Archive 2

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2018
Add a nickname: MAKEOUTHILL. Prinsenabdullah (talk) 19:39, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Why? –Ammarpad (talk) 20:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

It's a moniker he used.

https://genius.com/12581717 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meme Man Meme (talk • contribs) 14:59, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Unreliable source.  danny music editor  oops 17:13, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Add the Moonlight music video (Posted September 30, 2018) to Posthumous releases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NoDivision1 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2018
Would like to add a cause, manner, and mechanism of death to this article and other similar articles. Cause being gunshot, manner being murder, mechanism being exsanguination. Would be interesting to research and add changes to others as well

Also X wasn't necessarily a mumble rapper, but a new generation rapper, therefore affiliated genres should be "New Gen Rap"

Thank you very much Nick24568 (talk) 06:47, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Not done: Please provide reliable sources that support the changes you want to be made. Also there is an article called Murder of XXXTentacion.-- Lirim  |  Talk  13:35, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2018
The bag that got stolen from XXXTentacion was a Louis Vuitton bag FaultyTuba11107 (talk) 16:44, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


 * @FaultyTuba11107: That's already in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 16:57, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2018
Change the IPA pronunciation. His name is pronounced "eks eks eks" and then "tentacion" as in Spanish. There is no schwa in Spanish; it should be pronounced ten-tah-SYOHN 107.5.179.16 (talk) 15:50, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Without a source, this edit cannot be made. --DannyS712 (talk) 03:12, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2018
Octoer = October 2605:E000:9149:8300:BD8B:F88D:27CA:DF63 (talk) 08:18, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks! &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 10:56, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

In the section about his legal issues, the taped 'confession' wasn't considered a confession by the court and the sources used in the article didn't mention anything like; the court dropped the case after X passed under unfortunate circumstances. The taped confession wouldn't even be valid as X won't be there to defend himself, which is his right and since he is dead, he can't do so, and it was taped without him knowing, so it is ineligible to be used in court. Thus it wasn't considered a confession under court just because some tabloids says so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylicious (talk • contribs) 20:23, 31 October 2018 (UTC)


 * The tape has been discussed in RS and merits inclusion for its interest and its being reported in RS. The wording of this section may need to be tightened up, but constant wholesale removal of a paragraph that is of interest, and the content of said paragraph has  been reported on in RS, is not right imo.  RS discuss and comment  on this issue -  From the Guardian piece, 'Some argue that as Onfroy can no longer face punishment by the state, his guilt no longer matters and that reporting on this recording is futile. But given what his victim went through, both at his hands and at those of his most virulent fans, the vindication of her claims does in fact matter, even if solely as a moral victory.',  so to find no mention in wikipedia would look like a form of deafness to the talk in RS. 78.147.55.81 (talk) 14:10, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2018
You guys should change the picture that you used to something more recent, like a picture with his blue hair, I know you used that picture because it's more iconic but it doesn't feel right to a lot of XXXTentacion fans that you guys used a mugshot. Uleygang17 (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * ❌: The picture currently used has the best quality of all pictures we have with a free license. We can't just upload any picture here to use.-- Lirim  |  Talk  16:03, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2018
The pitchfork audio was edited and X didn't actually say he beat her. He said he messed with her head mentally and that he never put his hands on her. Xxxtentaciongoat (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. @Xxxtentaciongoat: What's your source that the audio was edited? —C.Fred (talk) 19:04, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 November 2018
Add for known aliases or other names Trippie Blue. Jakobes50 (talk) 03:26, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 03:30, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * @Jakobes50: I don't see this name mentioned anywhere in the article. Not only will you have to show that he recorded or was otherwise widely known by this name, but you'll also need reliable sources to support the claim. —C.Fred (talk) 03:31, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Page protection
If you’re going to lock the page completely, can you at least revert Keditz’ edits? I believe he would be the reason why it’s locked completely after all. EveryonesFAVORITE*toy (talk) 23:48, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 December 2018
R.I.P we love you 37.131.77.34 (talk) 06:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.   Alucard 16  ❯❯❯ chat?    08:01, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Ethnicity Change. He's Not Just Jamaican.
In addition to that race, he was also of North African, South Asian, and Caucasian ancestries specifically those from Italy, Egypt, India, and Germany. Healthy Celeb has all of this written under the Race section, though it isn't a reliable source. That should been changed ever since his passing 7 months ago on June 18.

Good night,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 02:08, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 December 2018
Hi, I know there was some genres being added that probably shouldn't have, but I have found sources for some that I feel should really be on here.

emo rap - https://medium.com/unruly-sounds/album-review-xxxtentacion-explores-emo-rap-6ee310ac0f90

rap metal - https://www.vulture.com/2018/06/xxxtentacion-tay-k-and-the-new-wave-of-violent-rap.html - "Would XXXTentacion’s mix of speaker-busting punk-rap and sad-sack campfire songs ring true if he seemed at all concerned for his own well-being?" Sromero78 (talk) 06:59, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

why would you add rap metal if the source literally says punk rap 😂 EveryonesFAVORITE*toy (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Medium is an unreliable source, and you'd need edit requests that list better sources than Vulture to show he did rap metal. It's better to try to gain consensus here for those changes and by providing reliable sources in said discussions than to ask for edit requests with shoddy sources. JC7V (talk) 17:41, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 December 2018
Add Category:XXXTentacion to the page. MakesNoMistakes (talk) 13:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:12, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 January 2019
LOCOJAYW (talk) 19:41, 2 January 2019 (UTC) I want to ad his genres of music
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 21:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 January 2019
Would any of these sources be suitable for emo rap? That is definitely a genre he helped popularize and should be on here. source 1, source 2, source 3

If these sources are not good enough is it possible to get a consensus that emo rap, pop, and trap metal should be added? These are all genres X is very familiar with, having helped popularize emo rap and trap metal himself. Sromero78 (talk) 00:20, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 January 2019
XXXTENTACION´S real name was jahseh dwayne onfroy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:1B09:8618:1D8D:B799:CC8:7320 (talk) 22:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Edit request
Please add a hatnote to handle the incoming redirect

-- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 14:23, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:28, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Do we have to use that picture?
There are many pictures of X that could be used that don’t shine a negative light around his name. I know it’s the most famous photo of him but using a mugshot just reminds everyone about past failures. When before his death he was trying to out shine the bad with the good with what he was doing. Acers2able (talk) 13:01, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 January 2019
Within Posthumous Releases section, it states Members Only Vol 4 is scheduled to be released, when, it has in fact already been released, so, in summary, it should be changed from "Members Only Vol 4 would be released on January 23rd, 2019" to make the statement past-tense. WelchMan (talk) 23:06, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Instruments
I see in the subject's infobox that his instruments he plays are 'vocals, guitar and drums', but is there any proof/citations that he plays drums or guitar? I am unable to find ani. --Mr Serious Guy (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 January 2019
Change name of son to Gekyume Onfroy

Source: https://people-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/people.com/music/xxxtentacion-son-born-7-months-after-rapper-died/amp/?amp_js_v=0.1 Verysadeyes (talk) 20:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Per WP:BLPPRIVACY, the child's name should not be mentioned in the article unless he is notable in his own right. —C.Fred (talk) 20:48, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Request to change picture
There are so many pictures of X that could be used. Please update the picture to a newer photo. Jbryant365247 (talk) 11:04, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 February 2019
add Cinthia to partners. add VR to groups. add ULT to groups Heroinson (talk) 13:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:13, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 February 2019
Lil Wayne has featured in multiple songs with XXXTentacion and belongs in associated acs Michael14375 (talk) 19:29, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Request to make a list of XXXTentacion songs page
I do not believe that the discography page for X covers enough of his actual material as most of his work from 2015-2017 were released as stand alone tracks, and are not mentioned as singles in the article. Do you think this is called for? Cameronsmiley2345qwerty (talk) 22:08, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 February 2019
add Kodak Black to XXXTentacion's associated acts Rxsides (talk) 11:06, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 11:40, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Request to change image
Request to change the image used of the artist in his biography. Current image is a mugshot (2016). While it is valid to make the point of the artist's arrest, it may be considered widely disrespectful to use this image when there are many promotional images online which portray him less negatively, reducing bias on this article. Furthermore it may be distressing to friends, relatives and supporters of the dead to open this page and see the mugshot and not an image which the artist may have approved of more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ukuleleswift (talk • contribs) 20:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

Infobox genres
Can a consensus be met on the unfobox genres? I think either all his listed genres should be part of the musical style section or a certain number of sources must be found for a genre to be included in the infobox. Despite this I think the best genres are Hip hop, emo, lo-fi, trap, and R&B as these are sone of the most consistent among his solo studio album releases and are broader terms. More specufic genres like emo rap or trap metal should be out in his musical style section. Dekai Averett (talk) 00:24, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 March 2019
XXXtentacion also did trap metal as a genre 71.168.137.2 (talk) 01:04, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 01:29, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 March 2019
I would like to make a request for you to change the cover photo for this article. Instead of highlighting Triple X’s mistakes with that mugshot. We should instead be highlighting what he did artistically with his music. So possibly a photo of him on stage. Maybe a photo of him smiling. I dont believe that we should play into the narrative of him being such a bad person and that mugshot being the first thing people see when they look him up is doing exactly that. 2604:6000:1007:10C:11F2:4DAD:B22:1798 (talk) 18:00, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please add a link to the photo on wikipedia that you would like used instead DannyS712 (talk) 18:31, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Genres
the sources still have the wrong genres attached, please revert them. the rock source says hip hop and alternative rock and the r&b source says alternative r&b EveryonesFAVORITE*toy (talk) 22:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

so what’s the problem with him having 13 genres if they’re all sourced? do tell! EveryonesFAVORITE*toy (talk) 03:24, 26 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Hip hop wasn't his only genre, there was other genres included with sources cited but have been removed. 88.111.139.176 (talk) 14:49, 28 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The instructions at Template:Infobox musical artist say that we should "aim for generality" and that there should be "two to four" of them listed. Not thirteen.
 * My long-term stance about genre in a biography is that the sources should be talking about the artist's genre. We should not be taking album genres or song genres and stacking them up to create the artist's genre, which would be a violation of WP:SYNTH. So the question is, what do the sources say about XXXTentacion as an artist? Mostly they say he was a rapper. They don't call him a mumble rapper, nor a Soundcloud rapper, nor an emo rapper, etc. Binksternet (talk) 15:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hip hop is far from the only genre he did, he did R&B and rock too among others. His albums "17", "?" and "Skins" all have subgenres of rock in the genres. 88.111.139.176 (talk) 11:53, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you see what I said? An artist's genre is not taken from this or that song, not taken from albums. The artist's genre is taken from reliable sources talking about him and his genre. Nobody has ever called him an R&B artist. Nobody has ever called him a rock artist. Binksternet (talk) 12:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

so the artist’s genre wouldn’t derive from their music? please tell me we’re not dense. and the “aim for generality” thing you put up (idc to look and see what its called) says PREFERABLY that doesn’t mean the artist should always have two to four genres. and plus hip hop isn’t the only genre that uses rapping, so just singularly describing him as a hip hop artist based off the fact that he’s been called a rapper would be just wrong. that’s like seeing someone being called a singer and being like “oh, he’s an r&b artist” when all of his albums, eps, and singles are alternative metal. EveryonesFAVORITE*toy (talk) 06:27, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Genres are based on what is written in our reliable sources. If you try and "derive" an artist's genre from their music then you are violating WP:No original research. Binksternet (talk) 08:15, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

THE SOURCES PULL WHATEVER GENRE HE IS FROM HIS MUSIC, NOT ME, I PULL IT FROM THE SOURCE. PLEASE TELL ME WE’RE NOT DUMB.EveryonesFAVORITE*toy (talk) 01:09, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

The genre box isn't representing his wide range of styles and influences well enough (seemingly only interested in his rock and trap influences). Listen to songs like "Looking for a Star", an island-pop/tropical house number, "Infinity (888)", an ode to jazz rap and old-school East Coast hip hop and the 1960s doo-wop influence heard on "Falling Down". 2A02:C7D:892B:3D00:1D04:C850:EFB2:C22D (talk) 23:03, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If you're telling us to "listen to songs" in order to derive the genres, then you are advocating a violation of WP:No original research. Wikipedia is based on WP:SECONDARY sources, not interested editors listening to songs and comparing notes. So the thing to do is, go find some reliable sources and see what they say about the genre(s) of XXXTentacion. You'll be looking for descriptions of XXXTentacion as a musical artist, not descriptions of his songs or albums. Report back after you do that. Binksternet (talk) 23:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

In my opnion the infobox genres need major cleaning up. I say the genres can be simplified to these 5 and still be accurate:
 * Hip hop
 * trap
 * lo-fi
 * R&B
 * emo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.34.8 (talk) 00:31, 3 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia isn't going to go off your opinion. We need to have reliable sources stating those genres. —C.Fred (talk) 00:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

I think a consensous shoukd be made to how many sources are necessary to include in the infobox. Certain genres in the infobox currently such as "scream rap" do not even actually have their own page and others such as punk rock and heavy metal are not directly used to describe his albums. Probably the best sourced genres are Hip hop, emo, lo-fi, R&B, and trap. I think these should be the infobox genres and others shoukd be put in the musical style section aling with their sources. Dekai Averett (talk) 04:31, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

that's stupid in so many ways if he does all of the genres he does, why not put all of them there : hip hop , horrorcore , heavy metal , lo-fi , indie rock , alternative r&b , spoken word , emo , emo rap , trap and sadcore. i don't know why y'all fighting against the truth, and he could also do pop but let´s just forget about that and his album " ? " his classified has Pop but you didn't put it there so - kyra666  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kyra jizen (talk • contribs) 21:26, 12 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I definitely think the genres should be cut down, per Template:Infobox Musical Artist, which states they should "aim for generality", by having a few genres to encompass all rather every single one sourced. I would say the best way to do this would be with: hip hop, rock, r&b. Issan Sumisu (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Wording
Hello

Do you not believe the wording in this phrase is bad? Even if it is gramatically correct, it is placing emphasis on the second place: In the week following his death, Onfroy's highest-charting single, "Sad!", went from 52nd to 1st on the Billboard Hot 100, making him the first artist to top the Hot 100 posthumously in a lead role since The Notorious B.I.G., with "Mo Money Mo Problems", in 1997. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.15.160.39 (talk) 23:19, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Evidence against domestic abuse
Some of his fans have dug up medical records and phone calls from his alleged victim that they say are evidence he didn't abuse his girlfriend, anyway we can incorporate that into the article? 142.167.42.174 (talk) 00:21, 20 March 2019 (UTC)Robert white


 * It's not "evidence" at all, the main crux of their "argument" is that the medical record says she wasn't pregnant - but that doesn't mean she wasn't assaulted, or that he wasn't the assailant. Having this medical record would be a primary source, and a lot of mental gymnastics to say he was innocent. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Artist Photo
Is his MUGSHOT really the most neutral image of him as an artist we have? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rianinspace (talk • contribs) 05:59, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protecxxxted edit request on 30 March 2019
223.176.242.228 (talk) 10:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Þjarkur (talk) 12:19, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 April 2019
KvngSavage18 (talk) 01:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)KvngSavage18

Can You Please Change His Picture. Like A Latest Picture Of Him KvngSavage18 (talk) 01:38, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:04, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

His son
Ive seen the article translates his son Gekyumes name to mean “a different universe”. However, the article cited says that Gekyume means “a different universe of thought” or “a different state”. Im sure that doesnt mean the same thing. Can someone change it? TombofLords (talk) 08:27, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 May 2019
Change image Enroza (talk) 22:49, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. aboideautalk 22:53, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

wriiten by pov fans it seems
Article is a joke

Example, this person has sold less than 15 million records over 4 years and there are 8000 words in his article. DMX has sold over 80,000,000 records over 20 years and his article has less than 4000 words. Eminens article is only 2000 words longer ffs!! XXX will be forgotten in a few year time, but this article won't be! Do we really need over 1500 words on his so-called feuds for example? And I notice the shortest section is all the many many criminal charges he had and its way down the bottom of the page

Good riddance comes to mind

Seriously, such a bad article and the fans have locked it as well so no-one can edit it


 * I'm not sure the amount of words on an article constitutes POV, it just means it's been expanded upon more than others. You can help by expanding either of those two articles if you'd like. Issan Sumisu (talk) 12:37, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2019
All his siblings are half siblings. 2 paternally, 1 maternally. 73.96.106.247 (talk) 15:54, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We need a source for the third sibling. —C.Fred (talk) 17:50, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Has one son named gekyume Huntertall (talk) 05:55, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * That's already in the article. —C.Fred (talk) 12:03, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect grammar regarding the spelling of his name.
The correct and legal spelling is XXXTENTACÍON or xxxtentacíon. Please make this correction for his fans and family alike. Thank you for your help in correcting the mistake as soon as possible. Secretencounter (talk) 03:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)


 * The spelling in its current state both ties to published reliable sources and complies to the Wikipedia Manual of Style for capitalization. I see no need to change it. —C.Fred (talk) 11:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2019
86.97.106.238 (talk) 17:51, 19 June 2019 (UTC)


 * You need to specify the change you are requesting. ---Sluzzelin talk  17:58, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Change influences
https://www.xxlmag.com/news/2017/02/xxxtentacion-interview-case-drake/ He listed his favourite rapper as Immortal Technique. This should be under the influences — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.137.206 (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Remove Members Only album from discography
It makes no sense to add a Members Only album into XXXTentacion discography unless you want add all of them. He had a more significant contribution on Vol. 3 of the group discography and it isn't included.

It would be better to sort these albums under the Members Only/Collaborative albums subsection of his discography (see Eminem Wiki page for example). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.253.242.241 (talk) 14:23, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2019
Cinthia Yamila Ghan Perez is X’s ex girlfriend from 2015, and Geneva was with x 2016-17 not 2014 StitchTheKidd (talk) 00:06, 1 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —C.Fred (talk) 02:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Infobox genres
Punk rock, heavy metal?! The page is locked and I can't edit but if I could I'd change these inaccurate genres to trap metal, a genre often associated with Onfroy which he helped pioneer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:3846:4500:61C9:6807:E151:5165 (talk) 06:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
 * These genres fit Template:Infobox musical artist the best because they are broad. Trap metal is a fusion of rap and metal, both of which are in the infobox, meaning that trap metal is encompassed through their inclusion. Issan Sumisu (talk) 06:38, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

I believe that punk rock in the info box should be replaced with alternative rock as the genres his albums have been referred to as (such as emo, grundge, and of course alternative rock) are all sub genres of alternative or alternative itself. There aren’t no direct punk rock sub genres that his music is catergorized under. Dekai Averett (talk) 02:31, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * When this page had its massive amount of genres (pre-August 23rd), the only one of those genres you mentioned, that was sourced was emo, which began as an offshoot of Washington D.C. hardcore punk and at the very least when it began it was a sub-genre of punk rock. But, if you provide a source to say he's played alt rock it would apt for inclusion, however I seem to be having a problem finding a reliable source which directly says he played it. Issan Sumisu (talk) 06:14, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2019
Please let me edit and write something about Jahseh Dwayne Ricardo Onfroy. Im a big fan of him and would love to write some stuff about him. RT0X1q (talk) 14:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
 * . The request must be of the form "please change X to Y". However, the page only disallows edits by anonymous and new users. If you make a series of at least ten good edits elsewhere, and wait four days, you will be able to edit this page yourself. Do make sure you familiarise yourself with Wikipedia's editing policies. Dorsetonian (talk) 15:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Photo change
Hello,

I don't have the authority to do this as I am not verified, but can someone please change the photo on this article? He was an artist and an activist who had a hard life that involved growing up in the system. There is no reason for his photo to be his mugshot, this sends the wrong impression about who he was and what he stood for.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hubertsc (talk • contribs) 17:16, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Hubertsc Unfortunately, the reason that the photo used is his mugshot is because that's the highest-quality picture of Jahseh that fits Wikipedia/WikiCommons's Creative Commons guidelines for images. If you have a photo of him that is both high-quality and CC-compliant, I'm sure there wouldn't be an issue changing it. However, I can't find many CC-compliant images of Jahseh, so this probably is the only viable option until another image in the public domain surfaces. Regards, ShinyDialga777 (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

update on youtube view and subscriber count
in my opinion, the view and subscriber count should be updated, because the numbers haven’t been updated in a while. Paulasipovich (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Yep Baisil1234 (talk) 16:08, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Jah
Please add that " he is the greatest new mainstream artist, due to the versatility he exhibits in his tracks and his huge popularity with a larger fanbase" Baisil1234 (talk) 15:04, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

in my opinion, the text that you’re suggesting to be added, isn’t accurate. there is no way to tell if someone is “the greatest” at anything. it’s subjective, and shouldn’t be added. it will just spark anger. Paulasipovich (talk) 16:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Then why is michael Jackson the king of pop...I subjectively say he isnt...c'mon man...its my birthday bruh Baisil1234 (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

You expect Wikipedia to add undocumented subjective content for your birthday? Who do you think you are? Try actually reading Wikipedia's rules, and the Michael Jackson article for that matter, and grow up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.16.248.153 (talk) 00:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Infobox genres
The infobox genres should be changed to more properly describe XXXTentacion’s sound. All of his albums are labeled as either alternative rock or a direct subgenre (emo, grunge, etc). Alternative rock however is not featured in the infobox in place of punk rock and heavy metal which do not feature in his album infoboxes at all. I think punk rock should be removed entirely and replaced with alternative rock and heavy metal should be replaced with nu metal, a genre X has been described at multiple times. Dekai Averett (talk) 01:55, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Mistakes on page SwmiOof (talk) 13:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2020
Because I have researched much about Xxxtentacion and have noticed some mistakes SwmiOof (talk) 13:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2020
Was a true legend 207.166.59.199 (talk) 21:34, 30 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: According to whom and in what reliable source? —C.Fred (talk) 21:37, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Pregnant girlfriend? She wasn't pregnant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.4.48 (talk) 21:45, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

He said his favourite rapper was Immortal Technique, yet this is not listed under 'influences', but Chingy is, who he never mentioned once. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.4.48 (talk) 21:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Page lock
Hi.Can someone please make this page open to the public for editing?Ive been trying to correct information but this si but possible due to the lock.I understand why it is there, but what I am planning to do is not harmful to the page by any means. Tj10089853 (talk) 06:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No. Too many know-it-alls round these parts. Please propose your changes here.  Rob van  vee  06:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

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Occupation For XXXTentacion
Can anybody here please change XXXTentacion's occupations to "American rapper, singer, songwriter, and musician"? (not the occupations in the infobox) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.37.196 (talk) 02:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Well, change his heading picture for one, and edit the posthumous single achievement back to the comparison to Biggie Smalls' "Mo Money Mo Problems" in 1997 N0thingtolove (talk) 16:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2020
can you change his picture please he didn't want be rememberd as the guy in the mugshot LLJ 🖤 2A02:1810:3D07:A00:C10A:52FE:C1BD:E7A1 (talk) 11:49, 4 June 2020 (UTC)


 * There aren't very many good images of him available at commons:Category:XXXTentacion. I agree that having a non-mugshot image would be better. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2020
Career Career beginnings and "Look at Me" (2013–16) Onfroy's career as a music artist began in sometime in 2012 when he released several songs on facebook, the first was named glimpse. While in juvenile detention in June 2013, he met Stokeley Clevon Goulbourne 165.73.64.120 (talk) 08:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Tartan357   ( Talk ) 15:07, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Re: Tartan357 source
Source:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLHyvhATJDpZ5NvZKSFv8dzC8c-wr_QmwO&v=g945b8e043c https://genius.com/Xxxtentacion-glimpse-lyrics 41.151.1.41 (talk) 16:33, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * The second link shows a release date of 2013. —C.Fred (talk) 16:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Criminal charges
Assault and robbery are both felonies. Therefore, it would appear the subject should have these categories added:


 * Category:21st-century American criminals
 * Category:American male criminals
 * Category:Criminals from Florida — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.81.165.36 (talk) 12:38, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2020
XXXTENTACION’s Name Is Jahseh Dwayne Onfroy There Isn’t A Ricardo in his name 2A00:23C4:3684:6A01:9058:EFC8:24D8:E6D5 (talk) 11:19, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: His official death certificate (cited in the article) disagrees with you. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 14:48, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

XXXTentacion's Music
Can anybody here please change XXXTentacion's music genres in the infobox to "Hip hop ⋅ emo ⋅ trap ⋅ lo-fi ⋅ alternative rock"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.162.111 (talk) 00:16, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hip hop.emo.trap.lo-fi.alternative rock Zane walker (talk) 15:42, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * @Zane walker: Per what sources? —C.Fred (talk) 22:01, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2020
I would like to edit the XXXTentacion article, but not for vandalism. 80.225.167.114 (talk) 08:53, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You can suggest edits here on this talk page on the form "Please change X to Y". – Thjarkur (talk) 09:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Favourite artists
Why isn't immortal technique included, when X called him his favourite artist in an XXL interview? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.70.26 (talk) 01:54, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Billboard
In the awards and nomination, specifically the billboard awards, X was nominated for:

Top Male Artist. Top Billboard 200 Artist. Top Streaming Songs Artist. Top R&B Artist. Top Billboard 200 Album. For '?' Top R&B Album. For '17' Top Rap Album. For '?' Top Streaming Song (Audio). For 'Sad' Top Streaming Song (Video). For 'Sad'

He eventually won 1 for: Top R&B Album. For '17'

I'll put the two credible links here and expect it to be updated: [1] https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/bbma/8505581/billboard-music-awards-2019-nominations [2]https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/8509655/billboard-music-awards-2019-winners-list he is still alive o — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.78.117.53 (talk) 14:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2020
Change in image from a mugshot to one of less intensity showing him to be happy Lolage365 (talk) 16:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The other images available for use are not much better, see: commons:Category:XXXTentacion – Thjarkur (talk) 17:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2020
98.183.59.254 (talk) 01:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC) I formally request that you change XXXTENTACION‘s picture of a mug shot to a normal picture of him because that is unfair that you use a mug shot at his normal picture he’s not a criminal just because he’s black I find it racist that you do that I believe you should create a place where information is given without bias because this is Wikipedia where people everybody goes to look stuff up and find out who somebody is and if you use a mug shot you make that person seem like they are a bad person he’s not a bad person he was not a bad person and I believe that it’s extremely unfair that you do that he did nothing wrong and what they said he did wrong was proven untrue in a court no I request that you change his mug shot to just a normal picture of him and a sweater or anything else showing his face other than a mug shot because I know for certain that there are plenty of pictures of his face without being a mug shot thank you for your time and I urge you to do so soon Ciao
 * As per the above answer, the alternative images which are available (see commons:Category:XXXTentacion) are not much of an improvement. If you can find a preferable photo which is able to be used, and there is a consensus for changing the image; feel free to make another request. Jack Frost (talk) 07:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Add immortal technique as his favourite rapper
. https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/5sfalu/xxl_interviews_xxxtentacion_from_jail_talks/ It's from this interview. I asked a year ago and no one responded
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 06:55, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Add Immortal Technique to his 'influences'. Source here http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2017/02/xxxtentacion-interview-case-drake/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.222.132 (talk) 08:59, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2021
The info about his time active is FALSE XXXTENTACION is still Posting music on Soundcloud and Spotify,the active time should be 2016-presentJDMbeats (talk) 16:39, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Caius G. (talk) 20:25, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

The years active is supposed to represent the time that X is himself releasing the music (whether it is with the help of the label/estate or not), not with the input of the label or estate alone. X himself was releasing music from 2013 until his passing in 2018. Look at Pop Smoke's page, his years active is 2018-2020, but his label or estate is releasing posthumously past his years active. For example, the song, "AP" for the soundtrack for the film, "Boogie", was released in 2021. NinHawk8940 (talk) 20:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021
98.153.158.226 (talk) 21:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC) 2013 - 2018
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021
Ismael Dlamini (talk) 09:11, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * XXXTentacion Dlamini |answered=no}}

Semi-protected edit request on 23 July 2021
8.3.123.109 (talk) 03:23, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

He is regarded to be one of the most influential rappers of his generation.
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Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2021
Category:African-American_rock_musicians Personmrguy (talk) 05:32, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: XXX is not rock.  06:12, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

I would probably consider X a trap metal artist, not a rock artist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anfwepgnrwfinre (talk • contribs) 20:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Request for comment
Which photo should be used for the infobox?

--FMSky (talk) 03:07, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A It looks like a studio headshot, he's practically posing for it. You'd be hard pressed to find a better free photo. The fact that it's a WP:MUGSHOT matters somewhat, but I think it would matter more if his crimes were not a notable part of his biography, which they are (the legal issues section of this article is quite long). It would also matter more if this were a particularly bad mugshot, which it is definitely not. –– FormalDude   talk  04:43, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A, better all around.-- FMSky (talk) 05:10, 1 October 2021 (UTC)


 * A A. C. Santacruz  &#8258;  Talk  06:47, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A. Substantially higher quality and more of an iconic photo. He had numerous convictions and they make up a substantial part of this article, so a WP:MUGSHOT shouldn't really be a concern. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 07:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A, per all the above 'A' sure looks to be the better option JW 1961 Talk 07:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * A - obviously has a higher quality compared to the second image. Sea Ane (talk) 11:54, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

This is fair enough, but if a non-mugshot free photo that is better quality than image B is uploaded at some point, I think it would be appropriate to use that. TheXuitts (talk) 15:23, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

I don't love either, but I prefer B. A is the second cover for his biggest single, so it doesn't make sense. Anfwepgnrwfinre (talk) 21:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Summary does not accurately reflect the content of the longer entry: specifically, it does not refer to the numerous acts of violence inflicted by XXXTentacion
The article contains significant entries about the artist's repeated acts of violence. These are well summarised in the Guardian obituary [ref 258]: "He will be remembered mostly for the unusually cruel violence he committed on vulnerable people, particularly his ex-girlfriend, crimes for which he never expressed remorse."

The article summary makes no mention of violence, and does refer to acts of charity. This paints a misleading impression of both the artist's life and legacy. In order to be accurate and objective - qualities Wikipedia is valued for - I believe that the article summary should refer to the artist's violence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.87.52 (talk) 11:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * yeah agree, just saw that his legal issues arent mentioned at all in the lead--- FMSky (talk) 20:42, 13 December 2021 (UTC)


 * It was my mistake to include that in the lead, but to mention an opinion piece by The Guardian which is contradicted by personal accounts of those who knew the subject and his ex-girlfriend is against the objectivity that you claim to support. TheXuitts (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * As I have added information about the subject’s legal issues in the introduction, I will close the discussion. TheXuitts (talk) 02:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Typo under Legal Issues header
It says "ben" instead of "been" in the first section of "legal issues". Sorry if this isn't formatted correctly I don't usually suggest edits on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.113.246.4 (talk) 21:45, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

XXXTENTACION Photo change request (please read have a heart)23 November 2021
On behalf of all of this artists fans, I humbly request that you change the photo for xxxtentacion to something other than his mugshot, he is a person who made mistakes like you and me, but theres two sides to every coin, please change the picture to something more positive, he has made more positive influences than negative! 2600:1700:9180:1510:3C0E:BDA8:6632:1B3A (talk) 02:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)


 * The mugshot also happens to be his cover art for the single Look at Me (XXXTentacion song). –– FormalDude Emojione 1F427.svg talk 03:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. melecie   t  - 04:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

The problem here is that we don’t have another licensed photo to use that is high quality. TheXuitts (talk) 05:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Infobox image has been changed to high-quality non-mugshot photo, so I will archive the discussion. TheXuitts (talk) 18:34, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Xxxtentacion
Tentacion is a famous rapper known by his motivation on music. He is a very good person that frequently donated to the ones in need. One of his best achievements was his hit album (?) that album got platinum. Many kids have had a good influence on his rap. 201.201.215.67 (talk) 13:17, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

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 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ahecht ([[User talk:Ahecht|TALK

Protected
I have fully-protected this page due to ongoing edit warring. Protection is explicitly not an endorsement of the current page version; rather, it is a method of de-escalating the dispute and prompting editors to discuss the content rather than reverting to their preferred versions.

The page was previously indefinitely semi-protected. I would normally only protect a page in these circumstances for a week or two, but if I set an expiration on the protection, it will drop the semi-protection when that time runs out. As such, I have made the full protection indefinite, but it is not intended to be permanent. Any administrator may, of their own motion or pursuant to a request on WP:RFPU, downgrade back to the previous protection level when they see fit to do so. Stifle (talk) 11:51, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Genres
That list of genres Is beyond ridiculous. Just put emo rap, all those other unsourced/poorly sourced genres need to be cut. 25 genres for one artist seems beyond ridiculous 109.52.8.15 (talk) 16:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You are right, it's pretty bad. The instructions at Template:Infobox_musical_artist say we should be using two to four genres in the infobox. If someone was a leading figure in a genre, we should definitely put it in the infobox. XXXTentacion was very, very well known for his emo rap and SoundCloud rap, certainly a leading figure, which is why I left those two in the infobox.
 * Also, Template:Infobox_musical_artist says that every entry must be notable, which is why I removed the Very Rare collective. Binksternet (talk) 01:49, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Provided the support is clear-cut in the majority, I think sometimes four may be too limited for genres and I'd support as many as six in certain cases, but this is completely overkill. There needs to be some trimming done, and deciding which to cut will probably not be a simple issue. As for the AA, I have already removed that, as that is a simple and fairly uncontroversial move.  danny music editor  oops 02:55, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I think it’s fair to critcize it as overkill as DannyMusicEditor observed.

Proposal: limit it to these six genres:
 * Alternative hip hop
 * Alternative R&B
 * Emo rap
 * Political hip hop
 * Lo-fi
 * SoundCloud rap

I think this would illustrate the subject’s well-known versatility while also keeping the infobox concise. TheXuitts (talk) 07:13, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Note that I'm saying that in certain cases I'd take up to six, not necessarily that X is one of them. Moreover, I have never heard X referred to as political rap even once. None of his individual collections of recordings (albums, mixtapes) that I know of have ever had sources citing him as such. I think whatever we decide on should be based on a combination of what his style as a whole has been represented as, as well as the majority of his his individual works, in reliable sources.  danny music editor  oops 14:35, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Having taken a look at the genres based on that reasoning, I think the most appropriate genres at this time would be emo rap, alternative rock, and trap, with potential for others to be included based on more provided sources.  danny music editor  oops 04:38, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, just read a sentence in the lead that supports emo rap and SoundCloud rap specifically. I don't know why that's the only place it currently sits in the article, but it's solid support. Maybe it'd be best if we left out alternative rock, by the way; I thought it was in the style section but I confused it with indie rock and the two are not precisely the same. On the other hand, I think trap would still be appropriate.  danny music editor  oops 04:43, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I think lo-fi should be included as well as it was a known genre of his. Also either R&B or alternative R&B as he won awards in that genre. I think it would be pretty easy to find reliable sources for emo rap, SoundCloud rap, alternative rock, alternative R&B, trap, lo-fi. TheXuitts (talk) 11:26, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Are you guys good with this? ^ TheXuitts (talk) 19:00, 13 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I will not be "good" with more than four genres in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 19:08, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Mainstream sources... What do they say?
Let's take a look at what the mainstream sources say when they describe XXXTentacion as a musician.
 * Variety magazine describes him as a rapper, and says he was a "pioneer in the SoundCloud emo-rap genre".
 * Pitchfork says he was a "SoundCloud rapper" and a rapper.
 * Vulture said the second album was SoundCloud rap.
 * The New York Times described him in terms of hip hop and SoundCloud rap.
 * The Guardian UK described him in terms of hip hop.
 * The Atlantic magazine says he was all over the place, eclectic genre-bending and genre hybrids, but that he was consistently lo-fi.

With sources such as these, I think we should emphasize SoundCloup rap, emo rap and lo-fi music. We are aiming for generality, not trying to name every genre ever published. Binksternet (talk) 20:04, 13 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks like an admin protected the page, but I added genres with sources. TheXuitts (talk) 15:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Binksternet, I agree with your assessment, but the way the instruction for genre is listed reads as a guideline, not non-negotiable law. That's what discussions like these are for. How, for example, would you be able to adequately describe artists like Deftones? Linkin Park is also an example of a band who uses more than four. I'm not saying we should have every one X has been described as borrowing from, but I think you should be more open-minded than your initial response expressed.
 * Anyway, yes, I do believe those three should have emphasis, with this being used to support the former two as well. As for R&B, I would like to call for that to be removed. Award wins for general genres like that should not be used to represent an overview of the artist's work. I could get behind that on individual works, though.  danny music editor  oops 21:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Anyway, yes, I do believe those three should have emphasis, with this being used to support the former two as well. As for R&B, I would like to call for that to be removed. Award wins for general genres like that should not be used to represent an overview of the artist's work. I could get behind that on individual works, though.  danny music editor  oops 21:39, 14 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I’ve heard X be described as R&B quite a few times, but admittedly not from mainstream sources so I won’t entirely protest that. Though I believe award wins/nominations are pretty good indications although I won’t die on that hill. I do think alternative rock should be considered for the infobox. It shouldn’t be too hard to find mainstream sources that characterize him as that as shown in an example here. Hope we can get this resolved soon. TheXuitts (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Hey, if there are in fact mainstream sources calling his work(s) R&B or alternative rock, I'm open to at least consider it, I just don't want it the way it is now. Do we agree on that? Also, are there any more of those on alt rock? Because I want this consensus to reflect mainstream consensus, not ours.  danny music editor  oops 14:33, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

It appears as though mainstream sources describe specific works of X’s as alt rock, not the entire discography. My apologies.

Hope this can be resolved so we can get the page unprotected. TheXuitts (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * We should initiate a WP:Request for comment about infobox genres so that we can show an administrator that we have arrived at a consensus. Binksternet (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I’m not familiar on how to do that TheXuitts (talk) 23:51, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 15 February 2022
Hi there! To remove this article from Category:CS1 errors: external links, could someone please change reference #310 in the "Relationships" section from  to   ? Thank you for your consideration. GoingBatty (talk) 19:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ thanks, if this is still messed up please ping me back. —  xaosflux  Talk 14:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

This article has been downplaying the homophobia issue and domestic violence
Let's not make the mistake of hiding the media response to Onfroy telling Adam22 in April 2016 that he violently attacked his gay cellmate. The negative reponse to this was hu-u-uge. Biographer Jonathan Reiss writes that homophobia was an overarching issue in Onfroy's life from that point forward, and when he died, multiple media outlets portrayed him as a homophobic rapper. CNN's Liz Lazzara wrote a big piece about how the media responded, calling him homophobic. Lazzara said Onfroy should be relegated to obscurity for this and for his domestic abuse crimes.
 * Gay Star News. "Homophobic Rapper XXXTentacion Shot Dead in Florida"
 * Out in Perth: "Homophobic rapper XXXTentacion shot dead in Miami"
 * Gulf News: "XXXTentacion lived a life of violence"

Onfroy was canceled by the Grammy Awards who decided that he would not be included in their "Memoriam" section after his death because of his history of domestic violence. Many media stories talk about the chasm between his known violence and his artistry. This tension should be much more present in the article. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

You already added this information so I’m not sure why you’re making a talk page about it TheXuitts (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Also, the information on X’s alleged violence is throughout the article consistently. The majority of the “Personal life” section is about the allegations made by Ayala, and his battery case is gone into in detail in the “Legal issues” section. It’s also important to note that X was never convicted of these charges. We may have our opinions on the matter that he was most likely guilty (I believe he was as well, on the domestic battery and witness tampering charges at least; the battery of a pregnant woman and false imprisonment charges are more debatable) but Wikipedia does not report on personal conclusions, it reports on facts. Most Americans believe Michael Jackson was guilty of child abuse, most Americans believe OJ Simpson was guilty of murder, but they were never convicted, so we treat them as what they are in factuality: allegations. TheXuitts (talk) 21:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Did anyone add the news about the Hulu documentary's release?
Perhaps it would be applicable to also create an entire new article about the doc. Praiawart (talk) 15:29, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Look at Me (2022 film) TheXuitts (talk) 05:17, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

RfC: Infobox genre list
Which musical genres should we list in the infobox? Binksternet (talk) 00:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Survey

 * SoundCloud rap, emo rap and lo-fi music. The instructions at Template:Infobox_musical_artist say we should be displaying two to four genres in the infobox, and I see that three genres have been strongly associated with XXXTentacion in the literature. The most widely supported one is SoundCloud rap, unless you count the great many sources that just call him a rapper, which would indicate the generic term hip hop music. But since we have more specific subgenres of hip hop strongly associated with the artist, it doesn't make so much sense to use the generic term. I think we should list SoundCloud rap first. Binksternet (talk) 00:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I think it would make sense to list hip hop, but I won’t protest whether or not it’s listed. This seems fine to me since these three are the genres in which the subject is undoubtedly a leading figure in. TheXuitts (talk) 10:55, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * At least the three Binksternet listed. I support hip hop in the same way TheXuitts does for their position.  danny music editor  oops 14:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


 * At least the three Binksternet listed. I would also add as a side note that Spotify lists X as punk rock, hip-hop, R&B, and heavy metal. TheXuitts (talk) 05:36, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Spotify is not a reliable source. Their genres are machine-generated. Binksternet (talk) 04:03, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * No, it is not machine generated as it is a manual description under the artist information. TheXuitts (talk) 07:17, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, but there are two things wrong with that. Self-description is generally discouraged as an overarching infobox label, as it often deviates from the media consensus, and when it doesn't, well, we use those sources instead. Furthermore, in the context of general tags like these, it is even harder to determine the weight of how much these influences or genres actually play into the artist's sound (in other words, the genre's relevance). Sorry I'm late.  danny music editor  oops 00:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * The three Binksternet listed - no real use mentioning hip-hop when he is so much more heavily linked with more specific subgenres. My rationale here is that you wouldn't describe a black metal band as "rock", despite that being the overarching parent genre of what they play. PraiseVivec (talk) 10:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

 * We should reach a consensus sooner than later. Have we settled on the three Binksternet listed? TheXuitts (talk) 08:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * We should list emo rap, SoundCloud rap, hip hop, and lo-fi for now. TheXuitts (talk) 07:22, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Emo rap, SoundCloud rap, and lo-fi seems to be the obvious consensus at the moment. An admin should recognize this and unprotect the page. TheXuitts (talk) 07:57, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
 * In this specific order: Hip Hop, Soundcloud rap, Emo rap, and then Lo-fi music. Many people don't even know what Soundcloud rap and Emo rap is, and given that after all he is a hip hop artist, it makes sense to put hip hop first. shanghai. talk to me 19:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


 * But Shanghai, X is one of the leading figures in the emo rap and SoundCloud rap genres. While he is also prominent in the hip hop and lo-fi scenes, those are the genres which he is more recognized with. TheXuitts (talk) 08:23, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but those genres aren't as widespread and most people don't know what differentiates emo rap from Soundcloud rap. He is a prominent figure in those places but, my point is that those places aren't inherently known. I think the order says "he's a hip hop artist that specializes in emo rap and soundcloud rap." would be the easiest. shanghai. talk to me 08:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , while that is more well known, the people interested in X's article would probably be able to figure out that he is inherently a hip hop artist if he is listed as emo rap or SoundCloud rap. I do not think it is necessary to put it there for readers to understand that.  danny music editor  oops 17:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2022
I was gonna add some information on some songs he made Ryder penner (talk) 06:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2022
Could we please add the category "People with congenital heart defects" to XXXTentacion's article? 108.18.207.147 (talk) 18:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

It has been added TheXuitts (talk) 08:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

XXXTentacion's Music Genres
AllMusic states that XXXTentacion often incorporated elements of punk rock, hip hop, R&B, and heavy metal, so can we please change his music genres in the article's infobox to hip hop, punk rock, R&B, and heavy metal? [Https://www.allmusic.com/artist/xxxtentacion-mn0003602693/biography https://www.allmusic.com/artist/xxxtentacion-mn0003602693/biography] 2601:195:C001:2630:F049:46BD:C519:4CF1 (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * When the writer says "elements of punk rock, hip-hop, R&B, and heavy metal", he is not talking about the artist's main genres. "Elements" are not main genres. Binksternet (talk) 17:50, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Main photo
I just stumbled on this page, never heard of this person before today. I was shocked that the main photo is a mug shot, I have never seen that done before on Wikipedia. Regardless of the details of the person's life, it seems disrespectful, and a biased comment on his life. There are other photos in the article, could one of those be used instead? 205.169.112.230 (talk) 19:21, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems to be the only photo in the article of the subject that is not a mugshot, and the resolution it too low to make for a good main photo. Ideally we would have a better photo for the lede, but I don't see any other candidates on Commons. OhNo itsJamie Talk 19:37, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ohnoitsjamie it does technically violate WP:MUG, as he's not primarily known as a criminal, but as a musical artist.
 * Nswix (talk) 05:58, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Influences
In an interview X stated the rapper Immortal Technique was his favourite. I think that should be added in. 88.109.95.171 (talk) 03:06, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Religious and spiritual beliefs cannot be edited
That article says that that in the song Daemons that he described seeking revenge against God. However, you make no mention that he later changed his mind about God and was seeking repentance, as described in his song "Before I Close My Eyes". Could you please add it? Sheldon Fred (talk) 09:07, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

why is this article locked?
isnt this article old in 2018, why is it locked? 71.223.152.42 (talk) 08:42, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks like there have been a few vandals, even with the lock. Would you like me to put in something for you? ✶Mitch  199811✶  13:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Because of vandals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.19.238 (talk • contribs)

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Picture
Can his picture be changed to something that isn’t his mug shot? Maybe a photo he had professionally taken? 2601:4C0:8002:1F30:41A8:51BD:B7E4:1062 (talk) 03:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * There's not a better one available currently. The current one was agreed upon previously, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:XXXTentacion/Archive_2#Request_for_comment --FMSky (talk) 11:19, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 Octobxxer 2023
MeanPeachStudio0 (talk) 18:42, 12 October 2023 (UTC)date of birth:July 16,1996 Name: Kyle Eddie Thomas Birthplace: Cooks Hospital,Elk Grove, CA
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