Talk:XXXX (beer)/Archives/2012

I came with a photograph
I came to bring a photograph (of the tin and stubbies) and ended up dividing/headlining the article and rewriting a little bit. I also quickly drew up the XXXX logo and chucked that in under fair use. Maybe the introduction could be padded a bit to make the logo not look so alone, but otherwise I feel it's benefited from a bit of a spruce up. Bilious 02:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

No - it's both a bitter and a lager! Depends which XXXX you're talking about. XXXX Export Lager and XXXX Bitter Ale -> both are called XXXX, but one's a bitter and one's a lager. Castlemaine perkins make a few other lagers under the XXXX label, such as XXXX Gold --Leon


 * feel free to say so on the article, anonymous guest! -- Tarquin 08:40 Oct 3, 2002 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I'd only come across the lager version, and as Victoria Bitter really isn't bitter (or maybe you know better?), I thought it was another bit of confusion over terminology. In any case, both need to be mentioned here - as you clearly know your stuff, feel free to add the info! --Camembert

Hey, I really don't know my stuff. XXXX Bitter probably is a lager. Given that every type of XXXX (except for the locally consumed XXXX Bitter) is definitely a lager, and that they all taste fairly similair even if their strength vary, I'd be willing to concede that XXXX Bitter is indeed a Lager and that the name is just a historical anomaly. The example of VB not really being a bitter is a parallel example. Anyway - i'm sitting literally 50 metres from the XXXX factory in Brisbane. Maybe i should tag onto their Beer Appreciation Tour one lunch time and find out for sure. (though the boss mightn't like it...) --Leon

Most of us couldn't give a XXXX! ;-)

--- Q: Why did the name it XXXX A: Because in Australia they can't all spell BEER ;-)

I believe the Pratchett continent is pronounced EcksEcksEcksEcks? DJ Clayworth 15:47, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * It's often spelled EcksEcksEcksEcks as well. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 22:48, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * I can clear up some of this. When I was home brewing, I had some older XXXX bottles.  I can't confirm how old, but the older bottles definitely say on the label 'XXXX Bitter Ale'.  At some point they have changed the recipe.  Currently what is labelled as 'XXXX' Bitter is a 'BITTER LAGER'.  The year before last XXXX brought out a comemorative 'ALE' made from their original recipe.  They called it 'XXX'.  Since none of my evidence is quotable, I won't add it to the article just yet, however, it is incorrect to imply that XXXX is not a 'Bitter' just because it's a lager.  It is a bitter lager.

Categories - page split
Seeing as the categories on this page refer to two completely different definitions, would anyone be opposed if this page was split? -- Chuq 04:01, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I would, unless XXXX (Discworld) was expanded to more than a one-liner. The XXXX continent is inextricably linked to the beer, anyway. Kinitawowi 09:59, Oct 4, 2004 (UTC)

Castlemaine Perkins
The article Castlemaine Perkins seems to imply that the first brewery was established in Milton, while this article claims it was established in Castlemaine, Victoria? anybody know the truth?


 * Yes. The proprietors moved from victoria to Qld.  If you've ever tasted a XXXX you'll notice it has an extra strong bitter flavour in comparison to VB.  As you probably know, a beer's flavour diminishes relatively to how cold you make it.  I believe they moved to a warmer climate to market a beer that holds its flavour when chilled.  I say this having tasted the original recipe.  This is an assumption though.  I also have a badge at home that suggests a connection to Castelmaine in Ireland.  I don't remember the exact connection but I will be back with information.


 * Having said that, I don't know if they had a brewery in Victoria or not. I've only heard that they migrated to Qld.  I'd also like to add, there's a bit of a speal on the XXXX web site which seems to confirm my hypothesis of why XXXX has its extra bitter taste.  But it may have nothing to do with the original move to Qld.

From the XXXX Bitter web site... "One Australian summer, legendary chief brewer, Bill Leitner, decided to brew a beer that could really cut through a tough Aussie thirst. "

"So instead of the traditional ales that were still brewed in Australia at the time, he developed a new lager-style beer with a crisp, bitter taste – perfect for drinking icy-cold in the harsh Australian climate. "

XXXX Sold in the UK
This is not XXXX at all. It is not exported from Australia. It is made by Carelsberg. It is not in any way bitter... in fact it tastes a lot like carelsberg! It's sold in a 500ml can. Note also, Fosters sold in europe is also brewed locally.

In Ireland, from a select few places (australian pubs), you can get a XXXX that comes in a glass bottle (255ml). It is brewed in italy and tastes a lot more like the real thing but still no cigar.

The unfortunate fact is that XXXX sold in Europe is produced licenced by 'interbrew'. Nobody can import it from australia due to this. There is one exception though, XXXX Gold can be imported. But since they don't have a concept of a light or midstrength beer in Ireland or the UK, its only market is to Qld tourists (or ex-pats like me).

Oh and in europe it's always referred to as 'Castlemaine XXXX'. Here's interbrew's web site http://www.interbrew.co.uk/fullmenu.shtm


 * All British mass market draught lagers are bland and tasteless, because UK lager drinkers prefer them that way. People who don't like that sort of taste drink something else. All UK XXXX is currently brewed at InBev's huge megakeggery at Samlesbury near Preston. It is a minor UK brand because InBev have been concentrating on marketing their European lager brands for some years - notably Stella Artois and Beck's Vier - rather than Australian brands. XXXX marketing is based on appealing to affectionate UK stereotypes of Australian culture, such as this ad. --80.176.142.11 (talk) 20:36, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

XXXX in South Australia
I bought a carton of XXXX in Adelaide in 2001 and thus find it difficult to believe it was recently introduced. I find it even more difficult to believe that this famous beer was 'unheard of' anywhere in Australia even if it is primarily a Qld Beer.

I don't know of anywhere in Qld, Victoria or NSW that sells Swan Lager but I've still heard of it!

The XXXX name started in Adelaide, South Australia (Walkerville XXXX Ale, launched in 1900). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.239.184.9 (talk) 12:36, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

XXXX is brewed everywhere
XXXX itself is no longer brewed in QLD and exported around the country, each major Lion Nathan Brewery in each state (West End, Swan and Tooheys) brews its own product, as well as whichever other LN products are marketed in that region.

For example, I recently did the West End brewery tour and watched the machines pumping out thousands of cans of XXXX Gold, right after being retooled from West End Draught.

The only exception to this rule is the James Squire range, which are brewed exclusively at the original Malt Shovel Brewery.

Still, as XXXX is a type of beer produced by Castlmaine Perkins I dont see why it needs to have its own separate article - its like having individual pages for every particular beer made by Coopers and Fosters CUB.


 * No way in hell are you going to ambiguate this article. The CP article is a stub that that looks like it has been copied and pasted from this article.  There are likely to be a lot more people searching for XXXX than castlemaine perkins!  I suggest the CP article remain as a stub with a link to this article. 210.49.11.44 08:04, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it would be a better idea to turn the XXXX page into a link to Castlemaine Perkins, and use all the relevant data from this article to flesh out the stub.


 * So, does that means you are going to get rid of the VB article as well? VB, XXXX and Tooheys New are the signature beers of the 3 major states in Australia, hense individual articles for each are completely merited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.206.49.176 (talk) 05:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC).


 * RE - merge of XXXX Disagree. Trying to combine the article about a) the brewing company Castlemaine Perkins, b) the brand XXXX which covers many beers, and c) the particular beer XXXX Bitter (one of others such as XXXX Gold) would be confusing. They are seperate concepts each which deserves an article. One is the company, one is the overall brand, and one is an actual beer with recipe etc. I use the similar situation of Tooheys which has seperate articles for Tooheys New and Tooheys Old. Sure the XXXX Bitter article is a stub at the moment, but it should grow into a full article in time. Rimmeraj 09:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Has the recipe changed?
XXXX has a much different taste all of a sudden. I can barely stomach it and nearly everyone I know who used to drink it have now found themselves a new beer as a result of this. Was there any form of anouncement? Has the beer currently being sold in Qld been brewed elsewhere?

XXXX mentioned on Tiny Tim recording
You may not know this, bit the late performer Tiny Tim had quite a taste for beer. On his 1995 album Songs of an Impotent Troubadour, which is a mixture of stories and songs from his life and music career, he can be heard both drinking and heaping praise upon XXXX Lager.


 * Must not have had the best taste if he was praising XXXX! haha —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koala72 (talk • contribs) 08:41, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

To the idiot who removed the pig country link
This is the only source we have explaining the history of castlemaine perkins and the XXXX brand. The XXXX web site does nothing to explain this. Unless you can find something better I suggest we leave it there. Factoid Killer 23:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Naming
In the naming paragraph it mentions that XXXX can be ordered by stating "Gold" or "Bitter", which is no doubt true. However in my experience when you specially request a full strength or Bitter its normally reffered to as "Heavy" (i.e. as opposed to Light or Mid-strength).--85.158.137.195 16:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)Lucas

Merge
Can we merge this page with XXXX Bitter please? The other page doesn't cover much at all. JROBBO 04:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * RE - merge of XXXX Disagree. Trying to combine the article about a) the brewing company Castlemaine Perkins, b) the brand XXXX which covers many beers, and c) the particular beer XXXX Bitter (one of others such as XXXX Gold) would be confusing. They are seperate concepts each which deserves an article. One is the company, one is the overall brand, and one is an actual beer with recipe etc. I use the similar situation of Tooheys which has seperate articles for Tooheys New and Tooheys Old. Sure the XXXX Bitter article is a stub at the moment, but it should grow into a full article in time. Rimmeraj 09:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree - XXXX is the brand, of which Bitter and Gold are its products. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.206.49.176 (talk) 05:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Disagree - (sorta) it's a tough one as other beer brands and companies have separate articles. I think the XXXX article should make reference to all the variations and have the articles linking.  What is the WP policy on drink/beverages and style ? --Mikecraig 22:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree - XXXX Bitter just isn't very significant. XXXX Bitter should be merged here or listed under Castlemaine Perkins.  Thetrick 20:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The standing guideline and consensus is that products should be dealt with under the parent organisation: WP:PRODUCT unless the product is notable enough to have its own article. XXXX Bitter has been a stub since Oct 2006 when it was created. The guidelines suggest that it be part of the parent organisation until there is enough information for it to break out into a standalone article in summary style. The discussion above, including my contribution, along with the wider consensus of the Wiki community and the standing guidelines, indicates a merge is the appropriate action.  SilkTork  * SilkyTalk 15:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hypocritical
In Distribution and Brand Loyalty section it seems slightly hypocritical in the section which states that XXXX is not very popular in other parts of Australia other than QLD (Queensland). While near the bottom it states that XXXX is the third most popular beer in Australia, can anyone support one of these claims? otherwise I vote that it should be edited or removed James_JK
 * I think "not very popular in other parts of Australia" should be removed, and a Fact tag be added to "third most popular beer in Australia." Sqwerty 20:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Export Lager
Here in Korea the alcohol content of XXXX Export Lager is 4.5%. The article states 4.8% which I believe is the alcohol content of the domestic XXXX bitter.--Jeff79 (talk) 22:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Original Draught
The XXXX Original Draught 4.5% ABV (with the red label) has been killed off by Lion Nathan. I believe it was a Queensland only product, a little darker, smoother and less carbonated than the XXXX Bitter. Sad loss and, with Lion Nathan being bought out by Kirin I expect further rationalisation will follow. Sad. --MichaelGG (talk) 02:12, 26 May 2009 (UTC)