Talk:Xara Xtreme LX

Removed links
I moved the following links here due to their poor relevance. If you want to add them back, please explain how they are appropriate for an encyclopedia.--Chealer 19:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Xara Xtreme LX developer section
 * Licensing & contribution
 * Source code and build instruction for both Linux and Mac OS X version
 * Developer documentation
 * KDE klik webservice offers binaries for Xara


 * First, Xara LX is under intensive development, and the information is absolutely relevant for those who follow the status of a software application that is still going thru infant stage (Xara itself is not, but Xara LX is).
 * Sorry, the justification I gave for moving at least that link was inappropriate. The actual justification is that these links are superfluous.--Chealer 07:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Second, klik package is a very easy to install package format for all Linux users. It contains the latest compilation build for users who wish to help testing it out. Now if you say Xara LX has reached 1.0 and no more intensive testing is required, then you might have a point this information is not really needed. But it has not yet.
 * klik seems to say that it doesn't install software, so I don't think you can say that it is "very easy to install".--Chealer 07:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, read the page. klik allows you to install software easily on Linux, just type klik://xara or klik://xara-latest. You can find information on klik from Wikipedia too. --Zero0w 08:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I checked Wikipedia's article and I must say that I'm puzzled to see that klik is a "system for software installation", but "no installation actually takes place". If I had any experience with klik, I'd probably attempt fixing that. Meanwhile, I strongly suspect that Wikipedia's article is wrong, so although I'm not fixing the article, I think we shouldn't base discussion here on this article.--Chealer 21:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do some further study on klik, it is more like the mount system on UNIX/Linux, and you can mount and unmount just like what one does with disk drive on Linux. Zero0w 03:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest that you fix the klik article if you know klik well enough before asking me to further study it. I fail to see how comparing klik with mount would help with the incoherence of the information about klik.--Chealer 20:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it is a knowledge gap I can't help on your part, if you know what mount means on Linux, then the idea of klik is pretty straightforward. And most Linux users must have used mount before. --Zero0w 23:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, if something in the klik article needs fixing, please fix it before arguing here. The klik article was just edited and doesn't say that klik is a "system for software installation" anymore. So, klik doesn't seem to install software after all.--Chealer 19:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Finally, I think you can express your point of view on "what is relevant", when all the information above is related to obtaining or following Xara status (some of the info not available elsewhere). --Zero0w 15:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this sentence.--Chealer 07:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Because you haven't explained on what you mean by 'relevance'. --Zero0w 08:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * As no reply was submitted in this talk page for several days, I'll assume there's no serious ground of dispute for adding the relevant content back. --Zero0w 13:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I lost track of this discussion until I came back here by chance. I've rollbacked this.--Chealer 07:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I disagree with you on your rollback, I guess I'll ask other Wikipedian to come in and carry out arbitration. --Zero0w 08:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the klik link should be kept--it is both relevant and useful. I think the other links (the dev pages) don't need to be here--they're all one click away and easy to find on the Xara Xtreme website which is linked to & will be of interest to fewer readers. They might be more appopriately used as sources for the article & I would not be opposed to keeping them as citations (rather than in the external links section). --Karnesky 15:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We've discussed the klik link above, but as the justification I gave was poor, I'm clearly stating part of what I think is wrong with it: xaraxtreme.org already has download/installation instructions. I see no need to supplement these instructions, but even if there was, this link may very well give the impression that the klik package is the way to go, as Wikipedia links directly to nothing else regarding installation. The description of the link could be changed to avoid this problem, but I'd like to see a justification to supplement xaraxtreme.org's installation instructions before getting to that.--Chealer 21:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The Xaraxtreme download page has recently added Autopackage in addition to tarball download for Xara LX. On Linux, it's always about choice and if you understand package management system, you know the strength for each of them. I don't see klik as external link as "the way to go", because there is already an official site in the first external link here. The description can be adjusted accordingly if there is confusion. But one should understand on Linux, there isn't really any "way to go" because the many ways software installation can be handled. On Windows, clicking on the *.exe installation file is the way to go. On Linux there's no such definite way. --Zero0w 03:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to repeat myself, but the point of my last message was that "I'd like to see a justification to supplement xaraxtreme.org's installation instructions" before talking about fixing the description of the link.--Chealer 20:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Linux is about choice, and if you fail to see that's a good justification, then we can escalate the issue to more people who use Linux for arbitration. More importantly, the point that Xara LX homepage offers more than one type of packages (if you use Linux and know what this means) shows that Xara also supports multiple package format in their point of view.
 * "Linux is about choice" is a purely rhetorical statement which can't justify adding a link to every installation or pseudo-installation method which the official site doesn't consider worth linking to.--Chealer 19:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * By the way, you obviously don't use KDE or don't know why many Linux users prefers KDE / klik, otherwise the justification to support multiple package format / interface is very obvious and it is helpful to let these users know about it. --Zero0w 23:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know for sure why many Linux users prefer KDE / klik, but I can guess that these users just don't know how to choose a distro. In any case, the fact that several people prefer it doesn't justify adding a link for it. Links have to be relevant for a meaningful part of the audience, not just a bunch of readers.--Chealer 19:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * As reply to Karnesky, giving them as citation sources would be appropriate as well, I'll edit the main article later for the citation. --Zero0w 03:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Famous Microscope Image
I'm not sure that the microscope image could be described as "famous." If you polled 100 random people from the street, I'm guessing less than 3 would have any idea what it represents. 71.194.6.238 01:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Propose a merge to main article Xara Xtreme
The discussion about the merge proposal starts on the Xara Xtreme Discussion page --Remi de 12:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)