Talk:Xbox (console)/Archive 2

The needs major cleanup. It looks improfessional, and non objective. "soft mods" also break the xbox live TOS, that should be clarified.

One other thing, this article is loaded with weasel words and fanboy type talk. 99.246.68.233 (talk) 03:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC) And stuff

First American console since 1983?
What about Atari Jaguar? or Atari Lynx? or 3DO? &c.

Perhaps the article should say the first viable American console since 1983. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christopherborne (talk • contribs) 12:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Microsoft all in all has lost 8 million dollars thanks to the Xbox
Is it still $8 mill?

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.67.113.177 (talk) 04:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Dunno, but I would like to say, if anyone can find this man (or woman) a answer, please give them one. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 21:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I would like to see some actual figures here. $8,000,000 seems a bit vague with the now long history of XBOX. If anyone has some actual numbers that would be great. --WaynePacelle (talk) 08:54, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

what about adding that picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Future_Force_Warrior_2007.jpg ?

what is this guy on the left playing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.177.119.94 (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Xbox processor
Some time ago, the Processor was stated as being a Pentium 3, not a Pentium Mobile Celeron. I'm not sure wich one is correct, but I would presume that it is indeed a Pentium 3 since Celerons are lower end. There aren't any sources mentioned stating that it's a Celeron. Does anyone know more about this? 195.23.216.233 16:53, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Its a Pentium3 - M I think (chose the laptop version for power/cooling reasons) - James Bennet (29 July 07)

Not an M, Just a standard P3 in all the consoles I have opened. - 210.79.21.2 (talk) 13:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It IS a pentium III with a reduced cache, because it has 8-way set associative L2 cache, a feature ONLY Pentium IIIs have, instead of the 4-way set associative L2 cache that Coppermine based Celerons have. Therefore, I believe it should be changed to a Pentium III, and I have an article to use as a reference. - AbJ32 (Drop me a line) 02:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Taken from an article on AnandTech: "...the Pentium III Coppermine used in the XBOX is a little different than a normal Pentium III. In fact, the XBOX Pentium only has half the L2 cache of a normal Pentium III, but the 8-way associative paths are left on the processor whereas on the Celeron variant, these paths are disabled. This puts expected performance between a Coppermine Pentium III and a Coppermine Celeron." http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2271&p=4 They refer to it as a Pentium III, which seems to make more sense, but performance wise it's a cross between the two. Perhaps this should be explained in the article... Icingdeath88 (talk) 17:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC) -icingdeath88

That would be good to add to the article. I agree. --AbJ32 (Drop me a line) 02:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It was noted from previous links that were in the article at one point (were they taken down? Why?) that the CPU in XBox is a hybrid of sorts of a Celeron and a PIII.  At base it's a Celeron with some aspects of design taken from PIII.  It isn't a modified PIII with things taken away (reduced L2 cache), but a modified Celeron with additions taken from the PIII line (the 8 way associative paths, for instance). Therealspiffyone (talk) 23:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I happen to know an engineer that designed the Xbox one, Do you want me to ask them about it? --8bitJake (talk) 01:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It is a custom Intel 733MHz Pentium III but not a standard P3 or Celeron according to Dean Takahashi's book Opening the Xbox.--8bitJake (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't think at all it could be a mobile processor. Leaving my xbox alone makes it heat up to 40+ celsius!! Crazyfrengi (talk) 16:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Dreamcast games
Doesn't the Xbox support Dreamcast games?
 * Think about the question you're asking first. Why would they have a separate system called a Dreamcast if the games could just be played on the Xbox? They have a Dreamcast system! Also, Microsoft made the Xbox, and Sega made the Dreamcast, so that's two separate companies that would illogically interact their games with each other. You should already determine the answer! JustN5:12 23:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not that illogical. You can download Sega games from Nintendo.com for the WII and yes in my 360 I can play dreamcast games. You can in any of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.59.4 (talk) 01:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Fact: You can download Mega Drive/Genesis games for the Wii. Not Dreamcast.

Fact: Dreamcast uses a proprietry GD-ROM 1GB disc format which is unreadable by standard CD/DVD drives. The Xbox 360 uses a standard DVD drive. Not to mention that even if the 360 could read the Dreamcast discs, we are talking about the origional xbox.

There are instances where a dreamcast disc has been dual formatted for standard data content as well as the proprietry dc content (Sonic 2 adventure) as it came with extra content. GD-ROM is part of the Wikipedia here. I'd suggest you read up on it.

Xbox operating system
The article states that the XBox uses a stripped down version of Windows 2000. However, according to this blog article by XBox Team, this is a myth. Please correct this wiki accordingly. (However, since the date of the blog article is Feb 2006, is not quite clear to me whether the author is referring to the XBox 360 or the original XBox.)

Thats true as i read it on a MSDN blog

My current ICT teacher is a former microsoft employee and he reckons that its a heavily modified version of WIndows CE NOT 200....can someone clarify —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.141.9.130 (talk) 18:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Definitely not CE, it's closest relative is indeed Windows 2000. The kernel resembles Windows 2000, as many of the API's are identical. I doubt it was built "from the ground up" as the above blog states, as the Xbox did not have the the luxury of ample development time. - 210.79.21.2 (talk) 13:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC) you are a liar sir.no dreamcast on the xbox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.81.212.96 (talk) 05:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

It is a highly stripped down custom version of the Windows NT kernal but with most of the Windows APIs removed. It is a custom OS that shares a similar starting point as Windows NT but that is about it. --8bitJake (talk) 01:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The process as outlined at http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS3988467635.html indicates that the Xbox team made a source code branch from Windows 2000 and streamlined/modified it specifically for the Xbox, becoming Xbox OS. The Xbox OS branch is itself branched to derive the Xbox 360 OS, which is heavily modified to support the radically different hardware of the 360. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.92.6 (talk) 09:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Release in Australia
Yeh, it says that the xbox was release in April 2007 in Australia. We're not that slow. I remember getting the xbox when I was like 6. Could someone please change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.193.97 (talk) 03:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Modding
I'm removing the sections contains modding information, they are not part of what the Xbox is supposed to do, and if we start adding things like these, that should apply to every other console's "alternative usages" which personally I think is just rediculous. Kenimaru 06:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I completely disagree and I've reverted your edits related to modding. I don't even own an Xbox and I know how important and widespread modding is for this console.  The information also appears to be relatively (and surprisingly) well sourced.  Please continue to discuss this and seek input from other editors.  --ElKevbo 07:05, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Modding is a vital part of the xbox community which can be clearly demonstrated by the Xbox Linux and XBMC project. I agree with ElKevbo that the modding section should stay. - 210.79.21.2 (talk) 13:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that we should add a blurb about modding the console itself, including case mods, upgradable HDDs, and other relavent info. There is a surprisingly large xbox communitee, and many only deal with case-based mods. Info can be found at www.xbox-scene.com User:TR4G- 8:01, 26 March 2008 (EST)

Mods and other little things that where not intended by the makers are mainly what drives me to get them i know someone who just recently got an xbox just to soft-mod it and run emulators(which i helped with) and this wiki used to provide me with some helpful info + if it wherent for mods and exploits i would never had bought Sony's PSP Somebody2D (talk) 23:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't really think a 90 day warranty was the reason the system was modded adding that is really a disservice to the truth. 98.220.167.195 (talk) 05:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Clarification
I think to clarify for users who may be put under a different notion, that the Xbox's GPU being similar to the GeForce 3 / 4 series GPUs should be more like 'GeForce 3 / GeForce 4 Ti series GPUs'. Just a passive observation I've made; some people may think this falls into the 4 MX series.

Obsolete
This system is obsolete, Right?? HIYO

THIS SYSTEM OWNS THE XBox 360. IT DOESN'T HAVE NEARLY AS MANY PROBLEMS THAT THE 360 HAS. Obsolete I think not. :P

Well Microsoft doesn't support the Xbox or produce it anymore, so I guess it is obsolete. --WHRM3 18:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

some games are still being released on the console and it does still sell games so it isn't relly obsolete just fasing out. anyway it's relly open to conjecture 30/september/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.228.133 (talk) 07:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The console is obsolete, but the games aren't. Some play on the 360.1yodsyo1 14:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1yodsyo1 (talk • contribs)

Actually, Madden 08 was released for the Xbox. However, that will probably be the last game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradwart (talk • contribs) 01:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yup, EA released details about Madden 09 and no more Madden for the original Xbox. MechaKnight (talk) 05:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Xbox
who collaberated with microsoft to form the xbox? atari or sega? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.24.97 (talk) 21:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

No One. It was a soley developed project from Microsoft. Originally they wanted Dell or Intel to design the hardware but that deal fell through. Xbox Developer Kit information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.207.63 (talk) 06:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Sales
So... how many Xboxes were sold? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.70.186 (talk) 19:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC) About 24 million.Chaos Stein

System Storage
Original Xbox uses an original Xbox hardrive, some memory cards and an HDD disk. There I said it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth Vader 3 (talk • contribs) 00:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Xbox Live section needs overhaul
I have no idea where the information in the first paragraph of the "Xbox Live" section came from, but I think it should be removed. The main reason for this is the fact that it provides no citations for its material (some of which I have never heard of before and some of which even contradicts itself). I also think that any information in that paragraph that is correct could be integrated into the other paragraph because the section is currently quite redundant. If no objects, I will remove the information that I do not know to be true and rewrite the rest of the section. Thingg (talk) 21:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As an alternative, you could reduce the section to a couple of sentences, since there is a wikilink to an entire article on the subject right there. Carl.bunderson (talk) 22:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Citation for info on Custom Soundtracks
I would like to insert the following link from the Microsoft website as a citation for the info on Custom Soundtracks:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909942

If someone can make this edit to the fourth sentence in the first paragraph under the heading Hardware in the Hardware and Accessories section, as below, I would appreciate it, as I don't have access to edit semi-protected articles yet.

'Some games support "custom soundtracks", another unusual feature allowed by the hard drive.[citation needed]'

Oh, and if I'm not doing this right, could you please assist, as I am a noob at Wikipedia. :-)

Thanks a lot. Parkyourcar (talk) 01:29, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * ✅ Good job and welcome to Wikipedia - kollision (talk) 07:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

T&L and polygons
They need none, they are done using the same math that was done on each console that experts use. The third needs to be told the fact those are the T&L polygons under only perspective. To me T&L are actual polygons, because this is where they are calculated, raster polys ARE the FAKE ones, you may R2T them, but you can't do anything about your T&L number. The citations need to be removed. Numbers never lie, only slightly off from rounding.BobtheVila

Take them down plese, the citation is there. The mhz x's the pipes gives the fill rate, then divide by 32 (a generally used number) for the number for polys.BobtheVila

Sorry i'm not sure if i should had removed the citation needed thing, put it back if you wantBobtheVila —Preceding comment was added at 12:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Technical Specifications
According to this section, the Xbox console is capable of producing High Definition graphic outputs up to 1080i. Somehow I think this needs some attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.175.81 (talk) 20:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

What seems to be the problem? The original Xbox is capable of Hi-Def output through an optional component video cable. A few games were released for the Xbox which support Hi-Def output. Mostly they were 720p but there were also some 1080i ones, such as Enter The Matrix.Thebrid (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

MS-DOS
Shouldn't it be mentioned anywhere? it was made by the same people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.77.9 (talk) 04:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Controllers
The article is locked, so someone please read and implement:

Perhaps it should mention that some of the prototype Duke controllers with a green jewel and alternate labeling made it to the market. The cables were more transparant and the connector had indentations on both sides. It was also lacking a ferrite core noise filter. I obtained and sold two of these.

Also, the sections says that the Duke controllers were made for "foreign" hands. This appears to be from the perspective of Eastern/Japanese, and not from the native English-speakers that will be reading this article primarily. It would be better to say that they were designed for larger Western/European hands, considering that only Japan originally got the "Type S" controller.

Another blunder I saw but could not fix is calling the "Duke" the "standard" controller. It once was standard, but the "S" controller replaced it and has been the standard for much longer. Because they just mis-used "standard," the article then calls it "originally the normal" controller. Instead, it should be worded like this: "The older and larger Xbox controller (also known as the Duke controller), originally the standard Xbox controller for all territories except Japan, has since been quietly discontinued and replaced in Xbox packs by the Controller S." Instead of: "The standard Xbox controller (also known as the Duke controller), originally the normal Xbox controller for all territories except Japan, has since been quietly discontinued and replaced in Xbox packs by the Controller S." That is a WORLD better.

Also, mention should be made of the Limited Edition Japanese Controller S that was sold at Best Buy and Gamestop (personally seen new-in-package at both; purchased at Best Buy for $25). Though the US S Controller was already available at the time and packaged in the same plastic which differed from the Japanese packaging, it had a green jewel like the Japanese controller, some Japanese writing on the package though it was clearly intended for North American distribution, and a slightly shorter cord. I could never get clarification on the Japanese controller's official length (not the one sold in the US), so it may not have been the same length. Despite being shorter, it was still much longer than Japanese controllers typically are for other consoles. For example, my import Super Famicom and Sega Genesis controllers are MUCH shorter than their US counterparts due to their tendancy to play games on the floor while sitting with thier legs folded "Indian style" (is there a better word for that?). Though I hate the series and most anime in general, I'll take a popular example from Neon Genesis Evangelion: There is a scene showing one of the girls playing what is supposed to be a Sega Genesis, though the logos are changed. She plays it with herself and the console sitting exactly as described, and this is how thier media typically presents game console use. The extra length in comparison to other Japanese controllers was likely because XBOX consoles are not designed to be used on carpet or rugs and must be placed on a hard, flat surface for venthilation. 72.15.79.28 (talk) 01:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Pressure Sensitive Buttons
The XBox controller does have pressure sensitive buttons (A, B, X, Y, Black, White, TriggerL, TriggerR) just like the Playstation2 controller. Does anybody know if the pressure sensitivity was ever used in a single game? That the triggers where used in many games, but I can't remember a single game ever using the sensitivity of face buttons. One can test the sensitivity on a PC with a USB adapter and an unofficial driver, details at:

http://euc.jp/periphs/xbox-controller.en.html

-- Grumbel (talk) 16:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

News to me, the Xbox 360 controller isn't pressure sensitive and I'm pretty sure the lack of it is why the original Xbox didn't get a port of Metal Gear Solid 3. Strykie-boy (talk) 00:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Original Xbox is not a Media Center Extender
The article appears to imply than an original Xbox can be used as a media center extender, I don't think it can, only the Xbox 360 can do this. However it can be used as a media center in its own right with XBMC software. --80.177.233.98 (talk) 09:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)


 * with certain mods and other 3rd party apps you can actually connect your xbox to your media center i havent had much experience with it as it wasn't very good back when it came out...now however it might be good Somebody2D (talk) 00:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * But still, the article is all about the unmodded XBOX. There is a part for modded XBOXes at the bottom but please don't get people confused.Crazyfrengi (talk) 16:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The Xbox (unmodified) was officially supported by Microsoft as a v1 Media Center Extender. LobStoR (talk) 09:26, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Xbox
What do share your knowledge and help to improve Xbox and Xbox 360. Then join WikiProject Xbox. Thanks. BW21. --Blackwatch21 (talk) 01:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)not as good as gamecube

Xbox Live
Can someone change the Xbox Live section? There is no Gold membership for original Xbox users, it is only for the 360. Someone change this.. xbox live will shit down on april 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.249.254 (talk) 14:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

transfering music off xbox to pc.
just wondering if any one would know how to get my cd colection off my xbox and if possible what do i need.cheers 01jacks01jacks (talk) 12:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

This isn't the place for that, and it is also not possible. Once you put CDs on there, you can only erase them off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.249.254 (talk) 17:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Not true, once a Xbox is modded you would be able to get the music off the device. I was able to do this with a softmod and FTP client. you are looking for wma file on the E drive, if I am remembering correctly. ~tauri5663~ google me is you need help —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.69.223.249 (talk) 14:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

IBM PC criteria?
What other technical criteria besides an x86 processor and a modified version of Microsoft Windows does the XBOX have that conforms to the IBM PC compatible specification?

Do the XBOX controllers act as USB joysticks recognizable by regular PCs (with the right adaptor)? Or do they conform to USB or IBM PC keyboard scancodes? --Roadstaa (talk) 04:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Actually, those controllers if you have a USB adaptor, will work just fine on your computer (with rumble) with some drivers. Look up XBCD on google and go to the first page to download them. Have fun!Crazyfrengi (talk) 16:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

The XBox also uses standard ATA133 for it's hard drive/DVD interface, though the DVD uses a unique power and control (eject button) connector. The 4 controller ports are in fact USB with a unique connector, but otherwise standard (USB 1.1 I think). It is however prevented from being "PC Compatible" due to lack of a compliant BIOS, and no workaround exists that I am aware of. Therefore, it cannot boot a standard IBM PC operating system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DustNbone (talk • contribs) 23:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

HDD size/Wireless controllers Incorrect?
I've noticed that two of the specification points in the box at the top of the page look wrong. Firstly, it says that the size of the hard drive is between 8-20GB. I've never heard of an xbox hard drive larger than 10GB, and all xbox drives have a usable capacity of 8GB, regardless of the size. Secondly, it says that there can be up to 4 wireless or wired controllers. I am aware that third party wireless controllers do exist, but these require an adaptor to be plugged into the console, there is no built-in support for wireless controllers. I was going to just edit the article, but I want to check that what I have said above is correct, before proceeding with the edit. Z897623 (talk) 19:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

well it depends you can format any hard drive to...umm...i forget what the Xbox format is but it is possible with a modded Xbox to have whatever size hard drive you want but i dont think the officials ever went over 10Gb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somebody2D (talk • contribs) 00:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually if you look, there were these Seagate hard drives that had a black vinyl-like cover called a Seashield and was probably the clickiest noisiest hard drive I've ever heard. But still, Microsoft formats them to 8 GB so that no one notices. Why? I don't know. To make sure that it was formatted to 8, I filled 2 XBOXes up with the same data, both with different hard drives and they both filled up at the same time... I got both consoles brand new at separate times and were unopened until I softmodded them. One had was a SeaGate, and the other was the Western Digital Protege. I can take a picture and post it when I get the Hard drive back, it's being used in another one of my XBOXes that I'm loaning to someone. I put it in another XBOX because I wanted to put a less noisy hd in and I wanted more capacity. I have 40 GBs on my Halo edition XBOX (yes, another) and it works a lot faster on loading some games and it has tons of room for any apps or games. I hope this helps. Crazyfrengi (talk) 15:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Dolby Digital 5.1
I would like to add the folloowing extrenal link, to the text: "This was the first console to grace the gaming community with Dolby Digital 5.1 in games."

http://www.dolby.com/assets/pdf/press_releases/841_co.pr.0104.xbox.pdf

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Menmau (talk • contribs) 17:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Done. --Silver Edge (talk) 21:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Writing
Does anyone know how long a article has to be so no one will delete it? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 17:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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I'm very happy with the info given
I'm very happy with the info given to such an important article as the Xbox, i'm very happy that a user has put a relevent focus to this article, because wikipedians who log on to this article need to know, that 'discontinuation seems to only have been put in effect for the shipments of the console and not its games as the Madden football series and other games are still releasing on the Xbox console' as that is a very important piece of infomation, and i'm happy that this has been put on this page, and I take my hat of to the very helpful wikipedian who has made these contributions, that infomation has helped me alot. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 10:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Glad that you like it. Here's another article that I recommend: Period (punctuation).  Enjoy!  LobStoR (talk) 09:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Who Did that edit?
Who edited the section of the article, revolving round Madden and some other devolpers are still suporting the Xbox after being discounied? I am shocked that has been changed, as a gave much praise to who ever put it there in the first place. Can there be a possible investigation? Thankyou, mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * As of 23.12.2008, no one has been able to answer my question, if someone could, it would be nice if someone could answer my question. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 21:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * A quick google search shows Madden 09 is available for XBOX 360, but EA has only been doing Madden because of the huge community response to the game on XBOX Live. Im also a moderator on the EA Forums (JasCarver9) and I might be able to get more information about this from sources available to me. JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 04:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)


 * You can find all the answers to your questions . Wikipedians, though usually generous, are not your personal army of researchers.  LobStoR (talk) 09:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Why Can't Anyone Put Up XBOX720?
Everytime, someone tries to put do that it gets deleted, Wikipedia is a unreliable source, you know that's what my school says! They should! But I won't! User:panicpack121
 * You'll need a source, in this case probably Microsoft itself, announcing the Xbox 720. We're all quite sure Microsoft will release another console, but just assuming that they will and that it will be called the 720 is both original research and crystal balling. Useight (talk) 02:18, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Price history?
Where is the information? I was hoping for a chronicle of price cuts, but the section merely says 'blah blah blah, it sold well.' I want to know what the Xbox sold for at launch. I think it was $400. 76.115.103.76 (talk) 22:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This is a little late, but it was nowhere near $400. Xbox 360 was higher in everything, and started at $200. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.208.85.211 (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Xbox Crystal
Why isn't this mentioned?!86.40.109.48 (talk) 01:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What is it ? --Mjbauer95 (talk) 06:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Xbox extension
Xbox extension redirects here. Where is the real page of it? --Mjbauer95 (talk) 06:55, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If it redirects here, it doesn't have its own page. Carl.bunderson (talk) 19:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Japan Sales
Can someone confirm that in Japan the Xbox sold 500,000 units, I belive that is correct. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 12:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I belive it is 2 million. BW21.-- B lack W atch 21  19:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism?
There seem to be some parts of the "History" section that are blatantly copied from a cited article http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/january04/xboxtimeline/

From the article on Wikipedia:

Microsoft made a few crucial errors at the launch of Xbox, most notably in its efforts to impress Japanese consumers. Seeing the importance of a good showing in Japan, Microsoft went hard after the Japanese market, delaying its European launch. Europe was unquestionably the more receptive market.

This part was copied word-for-word. There are other fragments that also seem 100% copied.

75.61.141.116 (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Competed with dreamcast?
I was under the illusion that the Xbox was released after the Dreamcast was discontinued by sega as Peter Moore became head of the Xbox division. Perhaps this should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.192.236 (talk) 12:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Launch era manufacturing
The article says Launch-era Xbox gaming units were manufactured in Hungary, while the controllers were manufactured primarily in Indonesia.

I've got a launch era system. It was made in Mexico, the controller in Malaysia. OR, yeah, but this

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:hDyDI0REr1kJ:vig.pearsonptr.com:8081/samplechapter/0672326833.pdf+xbox+manufactured+mexico&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us The first Xbox, 1.0, was produced in Hungary and Mexico in early to mid-2001.

confirms my info, at least for the system itself. I just don't know if it's a good source.76.226.206.151 (talk)

Discontinue date
Does anyone know the discontinue date of the Xbox in Europe and Australia? --AimalCool (talk) 09:59, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Dolby Interactive Content-Encoding Tech
Right now we have this: "The Xbox was the first gaming product to feature Dolby Interactive Content-Encoding Technology, which allows real-time Dolby Digital encoding in game consoles. Previous game consoles could only use Dolby Digital 5.1 during non-interactive "cut scene" playback."

I don't know what that means. Could someone describe how this affects the gamer's experience? --Preston McConkie (talk • contribs) 12:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I would assume that means that the Xbox can output true Dolby Digital 5.1 sound during normal gameplay, given that the developer put that functionality in, as opposed to other consoles, that could only output Dolby Digital 5.1 during a pre-rendered cutscene (which require less system resources). This was probably because the Xbox was very powerful system compared to the other consoles in its generation. Whether or not its true, I'm not sure. I don't have an optical out adapter for my Xbox to test this theory. Demache (talk) 00:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Where did the name Xbox come from?
Can anyone tell me where the name Xbox comes from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.144.26 (talk) 17:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Here you go:

The meaning of Xbox; Microsoft.(Xbox 360) | Economist (US), The

InternetMeme (talk) 12:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I am going to edit the list of Xbox games
I'm just letting wikipedia know I will carry on editing video game lists, and the next one I will edit will be for the MS Xbox. Just check my wikiproject on my talk page to find out more. mcjakeqcool 15:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

in warranty repairs
As per the changes to the in warranty repair scheme as posted on the official xbox repairs page, no further repairs will be made, and an exchange scheme is now in place seen here: http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/support/xbox/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.96.82 (talk) 12:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

EvoX (BIOS)
Can someone knowledgeable in this stuff see if that (soon to be deleted) modchip is worth mentioning here? Pcap ping  05:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Six controllers?
Is this real, or just a typo(or unnoticed vandalism)? I don't remember seeing an Xbox with 6 controller ports. For the moment, I'm going to change it. --96.60.54.195 (talk) 23:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh duh, it's a locked page -facepalm- and I'm not logged into my account -facepalm v2.0---96.60.54.195 (talk) 23:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed... there's no game with 6 players on a single xbox. Please change "Controller input	six maximum (wired)" to "Controller input four maximum (wired)" Estaticd (talk) 16:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Please provide a reliable source to confirm this, even if it does sound false.  fetch  comms  ☛ 16:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * While I find it likelly to be a mistake, it is certainly possible for a console to support more controller than it has ports (the PS2 for example can use up to 8 controllers if used with two multitaps, but very few games support it). It is also possible that there is no software that supports more than 4, but the console can still support six, which is only made more plausable by the fact they are USB (with a different connector of course). Regardless, I'd say we change it four, as it is verifable, but look for any information suggesting it has 6 and change it accordingly if we do. Alphathon TM (talk ) 18:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Come to think of it, as it only has four connectors the article should reflect this regardless of whether it supports six via an add-on, therefore I have changed the article to read "4x Xbox controller ports (propriatary USB interface)". @Fetchcomms you do not need to provide a reliable source to remove unsourced info (unless it is obvious, implied, common knowledge etc.). In fact, you require citation for anything other than that, so at best this needs a "citation needed" tag, but as we have a confirmable, verifable figure, it is safe to change it, especially as the hardware only supports 4 controllers out of the box.

P.S. I also don't think they fact that they are wired is significant, so I have removed the reference to it. They are controller ports, so by definition are wired.Alphathon TM (talk ) 18:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

360 Controller Compatibility
I don't have an Xbox 360. But I do have an Xbox. So is this compatible with mine(wow I sound like an idiot with these short sentences).Mchcopl (talk) 23:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Until April 2010?
It says it Allowed players to compete online until April, however, it's march. 216.99.52.154 (talk) 22:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Picture of the Xbox...
The main picture of the Xbox is pretty ick.

I've found three alternatives. http://www.mobilitysite.com/blogimages/Image/gray/xbox.jpg http://www.gwendemulder.be/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/xbox_2.jpg http://gaygamer.net/images/xbox_console.jpg

If any of these images can be used as an alternative, please replace the picture in the article.--Sexy Kick 23:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, none of those are free images (and the gaygamers one doesn't exist or is inaccessible), so cannot be used as there is a free image available. I have to agree that it isn't the best, but unless you can find a FREE alternative it's the best we've got. To be usable, the image must be explicitly licensed under a free license (creative commons, GPL etc). See: Image use policy Alphathon TM (talk ) 00:12, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * My bad, must have only worked for the google search or something. Here's the same third image, from another site.
 * http://imshopping.rediff.com/pixs/productsearch/product_images/gaming_consoles/Microsoft_Xbox.jpg
 * How can I check to see if it's a free license??--Sexy Kick 07:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The only surefire way is to contact whoever is hosting it to find out the original source, and then contact the source to find out if it's free. Even then you'd have to provide proof, and it must be a free license, not simply permission to use it on Wikipedia (all images on Wikipedia must be free so that people can copy them and use them for other things, unless there is no free alternative - logos for example can by definition not be free). By the looks of it though, it's likely from a press-kit and therefore not free. A better solution would be to get someone who owns an Xbox to photograph it at a better angle and in better light, then either cut it out in Photoshop (or similar) or get someone else to. I'd do it myself, but I don't own an original Xbox (I did the one for the 360 and GameCube, as well as many a 360, PS3, PS2, GameCube etc accessories) and I actually cut out the one on the Xbox page (the original image is someone else, but has a CC license and is on Wikimedia Commons). If you have a camera and an Xbox, and feel you can get it to look better, go ahead. I'd be more than happy to cut it out if you can't. Alphathon TM (<font color="#550000">talk ) 13:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately my Xbox is really beat up. However, I do have a good condition Fatty controller. I'll contact my friends and see if they have any mint condition Xbox's about.--<font color="#00BFFF ">Sexy <font color="#347235">Kick 16:40, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. If you can, see if you can get a Controller S as well (wouldn't be detrimental if you can't, but it would be more representative of what was bundled with the various Xboxes, since they discontinued the "duke"/fatty during the life cycle and replaced it with the S). Also if you can, try to hide most of the cables for the controller(s). What I did for the GameCube one was wrapped up the cable, leaving a little slack at either end to plug it in and not be in the way, then rested the controller on top of the cable. This meant that the controller was upright (like in press shots, and showing as much of the face as possible) and reduced the clutter caused by excessive cabling. Also, if possible, take the picture so that the controller(s) doesn't/don't obscure the console in any way, as it means there is more flexibility to mode things around and adjust the perspective (especially useful for lens correction). The best light to use would be daylight or strong white light. Incandescent light bulbs tend to make everything orangey, and although it can be corrected it is difficult to get the colours perfect. If you can, take several different versions, and we can choose the best one. Also understand that if you do this you would have to share your pic under a free license. I usually use the CC share and share-alike license, as it means if anyone modifies it, they must credit you (and me if I were to edit it), use the same license, and is free to use for non-commercial purposes (no-one can make money off your work...wel, not legally anyway) <font face="century gothic"><font color="#550000">Alphathon TM (<font color="#550000">talk ) 17:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Xbconnect?
With the discontinuation of Xbox Live, people will still be able to game online with Xbconnect...and possibly Xlink Kai and Gamespy (last two according to the Halo CE article anyway.) Should we not talk about that in this article?--<font color="#00BFFF ">Sexy <font color="#347235">Kick 07:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as it is made clear that it is only certain games that allow it (thos that support LAN play I believe). Fairly certain it's mentioned in the PS2 article, so I don't see any reason why not. <font face="century gothic"><font color="#550000">Alphathon TM (<font color="#550000">talk ) 15:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

No mention of remote (except picture) ?
As the article currently stands there is a picture of the xbox DVD remote control, but absolutely no mention of it in the article itself?? 220.245.33.154 (talk) 10:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Spelling Error
"Services were discontinued on schedule, but a group of 20 gamers continued to play for more than 10 days afterwards by simply leaving ***there*** consoles on connected to Halo 2.[22]" Spelling error, it should be be 'their.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.221.23.3 (talk • contribs) 10:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from APACHE N4SIR, 14 July 2010
Please change this: "On May, 10, 2010, Apache N4SIR was confirmed to be the final user to have played on the original Xbox's, Xbox Live. [22]" to this: "On May, 11th, 2010, APACHE N4SIR was confirmed to be the final user to have played on the original XBOX's, XBOX Live Service being disconnected from the XBOX Live Service at 0158hrs in the morning of May 11th 2010." Because the information is inaccurate, I have described why below. And below that are my sources.

I have found out that the information that you have in print within is inaccurate. The following phrase related to XBOX Live and Halo 2: "... but a group of 20 gamers continued to play for almost a month afterwards by simply leaving their consoles on connected to Halo 2. On May, 10, 2010, Apache N4SIR was confirmed to be the final user to have played on the original Xbox's, Xbox Live. [22] "


 * There were more than 20 gamers that were involved, 12 gamers/players were awarded (on Friday April 30th 2010) (F&F) Friend & Family Pre-BETA Codes for Halo Reach.


 * The correct spelling of the Gamer in question is 'APACHE N4SIR' ((all CAPITAL LETTERS/ UPPER CASE))


 * The date is also inaccurate, APACHE N4SIR was disconnected and was the last player to play & be connected to the Original XBOX Live service, and was disconnected from the service on May 11th 2010 @ 0158hrs (am) EDT. He is located on the East Coast, where the time was when he was taken off the server was almost two in the morning.

reliable sources:
 * Well to start off with *I AM* APACHE N4SIR (confirmation can be placed through www.xbox.com / www.bungie.net / www.titter.com/APACHE_N4SIR)
 * Bungie.net: Halo2 Forum: The Final Few
 * I was playing Halo 2 on May 11th 2010 at 1:58 in the morning when I got the fatal network disconnection error and trouble shooting screen confirming that I was no longer connected to the Halo 2 game and the XBOX Live Service.

APACHE N4SIR (talk) 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi there. I'm afraid I'm going to deny your request on face value. That doesn't mean the info won't be corrected, just that it won't be changed to exactly what you wrote. Let me explain.


 * Unfortunately, you do not qualify as a "reliable source". We have no way of knowing if you are the same APACHE N4SIR as on Xbox Live. Sure, we could message you, but that would only be valid for the person doing the messaging (it would essentially be the word of whoever did the messaging that it was true, so you should see how that would be a problem - we have no way of knowing if anybody is lying). A reliable (NOTE: the word is reliable, not accurate or whatever) source is one who has shown over time to consistently provide accurate info. I am not trying to imply that you are lying, only that we have no reason to believe you are truthful.


 * Generally speaking the forums wouldn't count either (we have no way of knowing if individual users are reliable - the forum itself is not the source, but the posts by individuals) but in this case an exception could be made (I believe it was the primary source for the news reports anyway, so it's as good as we're going to get unless MS puts out a press release). That said, if you wish to use it as a source, please provide the appropriate page so users don't have to look through the whole thread to find the info.


 * I'll get on to the third one in a second. First though, you used ref tags incorrectly. This isn't meant to be inflammatory or anything, I just want to inform. Like HTML or XML (I don't know if you know them or not) the ref tag ends with a specific closing tag. It should look like this: . Notice the forward slash in the closing tag. Also, what you used them for is not how they are meant to be used. (Here's the third one:) You have used them to present an argument, but they are supposed to be used to provide links to sources of info (not unlike the second one you did). The third one certainly doesn't qualify - it is a statement, not a source, and might as well have a citation needed tag next to it (if it wasn't in a talk page that is).


 * So, that's the sources down, now for the actual content. There's not a great deal wrong with what you want it changed to, but there are a few issues (some of which are also present in the original version). First is the time zone. I assume when you say above that you are EDT that you mean (US) Eastern Daylight Time, so UTC-4. Can you confirm or correct this this? When in the article, it should be clear which time zone you are talking about (especially since we have many international users, including me - I'm from the UK so know very little about US time zones). To put it another way, would you know what I meant if I gave you a time in BST?


 * Also, your version is a tad redundant (mentions the date twice for example). I would phrase it something like this (assuming I have correct time zone): "APACHE N4SIR was the final user to play on the original Xbox's Live Service and was finally disconnected at 01:58 on May 11, 2010 (UTC-4)."


 * Another note - you say the date is inaccurate, but the phrasing ("APACHE N4SIR was confirmed to be the final user...") suggests that it was confirmed that you were the last user on the 10th (everyone else having been disconnected at that point). The final disconnect happened later, but that seems to be what it's suggesting.


 * Basically, we can certainly crrect the info, but you must provide a proper source first (the correct forum page would probably do) and rewording to avoid redundancy and to increase clarity would be preferable.


 * <font face="century gothic"><font color="#550000">Alphathon TM (<font color="#550000">talk ) 10:54, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Controller nicknames
I found a source for the "Fatty" nickname here --<font color="#00BFFF ">Sexy <font color="#347235">Kick 16:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

LazDude2012: Actually, the internal codename ( and what all the gamers I have personally met call it) was "Duke". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.120.42.65 (talk) 16:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

eHow is on Wikimedia's spam blacklist To add a reference yourself next time, use the tags. And you're not thinking of using google's cache to fool Wikipedia servers are you? <font color="#FF0000">Anish <font color="#00FF00">9807 <font color="#0000FF"> t c   09:04, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * On the topic of google cache, I was simply using it as the link to show highlighted words here for the talk page, and was not intending to use it as the actual source.--<font color="#00BFFF ">Sexy <font color="#347235">Kick 23:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

To archive
http://m.xbox.com WhisperToMe (talk) 08:09, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Bigwillyz21, 14 June 2011
The storage capacity needs to be changed, Original Xboxs only have 5GB of storage, not 8 or 10, 5GB that's it.

Bigwillyz21 (talk) 20:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. GaneshBhakt (talk) 14:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Made in ...
"Launch-era Xbox gaming units were made in Hungary" Yup, Xbox units were made in Hungary (Sárvár to be more precise) by Flextronics for the European market but for America they were made in Mexico. "and the contollers made mostly in Indonesia" For what market? Duke only? Because early Contoller S were made in Japan by Mitsumi Electric (and Mitsumi's article states that the original duke were made there too). Sillent DX (talk) 21:43, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Competed with dreamcast?
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox "The Xbox...was Microsoft's first foray into the gaming console market, and competed with Sony's PlayStation 2, Sega's Dreamcast, and Nintendo's GameCube."

The Xbox was released on November 2001; The Dreamcast was discontinued on march 2001.How can the Xbox be competing with an already defunct console? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.35.43.132 (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I imagine it's because the generation included all four of these consoles.--<font color="#00BFFF ">Sexy <font color="#347235">Kick 16:27, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 2 January 2012
NEEDS A NEW PICTURE

MiloBlack (talk) 17:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No need to shout. And unless you have a better one with the legal right to upload it, I think its ok as it is--<font color="Blue">Jac <font color="Green">16888 Talk 17:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 january 2012
In 'Discontinuation and successor' it states:

"These emulators are periodically updated to add compatibility for older games and are available free through Xbox Live or as a file download to be burned to a DVD-R from the Xbox web site." Can this line be removed (as well as the following line "These updates are also available monthly as part of the demo disc that comes with each issue of Official Xbox Magazine.") as it is severely out of date as no updates have been done since Nov 2007 and no more will be done either: http://support.xbox.com/en-GB/games/xbox-games/play-original-games

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.193.189.136 (talk)
 * Yes check.svg Done — Bility (talk) 21:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 January 2012
Xbox's successor, the Xbox 360, was launched in September 2005. The Xbox 360 was released on November 22, 2005, in the United States and Canada; December 2, 2005, in Europe and December 10, 2005, in Japan.

Jfischer24 (talk) 23:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Detailed release dates for the Xbox 360 are given in its own article and aren't needed here. Basic information with regards to the release of the 360 are given in Section 1.1. Mato (talk) 17:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 March 2012
The last game sold for xbox was madden 2010 on August 13,2009

24.22.163.129 (talk) 03:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 03:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Xbox landing page
Hi there! I noticed there was some debate over what to do with the Xbox page. I think it makes sense to use that page as a general overview of the Xbox family, and use Xbox (console) for the first console. See PlayStation vs PlayStation (console) for a parallel situation. I've started a draft of the Xbox landing page at User:CaseyPenk/sandbox/Xbox using content split from Xbox (console) and Xbox 360. I would greatly appreciate your help in refining the content by eliminating unnecessary details, improving the continuity of the information, and making sure the article covers all the major details of the Xbox family. Eventually, I would like for us to move the page to Xbox. Thanks in advance for your assistance! CaseyPenk (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 June 2012
Category:Video game terminology

ABunnell (talk) 00:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Article is about a game, not a term, so this isn't an apt category for it. —C.Fred (talk) 00:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 July 2012
Change the present tense words to past tense words because the product has been discontinued for a long time.

2.216.191.10 (talk) 08:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The tense is correct. Only when every Xbox ever manufactured vanishes from existence will was be correct. - X201 (talk) 09:11, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Move
May I please move "Xbox" into "Xbox (console)"? Kuhnstyle Pro (talk) 01:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)D


 * Why? One does not just move a page without good reason. <font face="sans-serif"><font color="#900">Alphathon    (<font color="#900">talk ) 02:53, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Because it needs some splitting, including:
 * Xbox - A series of everything Xbox.
 * Xbox (console) - The first Xbox console.

Kuhnstyle Pro (talk) 15:11, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


 * A better way would be to create the Xbox brand article first, and then move it when it is of sufficient quality. At the moment the Console is the obvious choice to be located at Xbox. - X201 (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I need help. Can you help me please? Copying and pasting the page is no longer allowed. Kuhnstyle Pro (talk) 16:46, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You seem to have misunderstood. Create the brand article (perhaps under the name Xbox (brand) or something similar) and then, once the brand article is sufficiently good, the community can decide on whether to move them both. Don't move it first then create the brand article. Remember, both articles can be moved when they are both ready. <font face="sans-serif"><font color="#900">Alphathon    (<font color="#900">talk ) 18:02, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, actually, It would seem you already tried that and had the page deleted. In order to prevent that from happening again, you could build up the page first in your user space at User:KuhnstylePro/Xbox (brand) or similar, and then re-create it. Personally, I think it was a bit hastily deleted - given that PlayStation exists, there is a fairly good precedent that your proposed article should exist also. Just because it hasn't been fleshed out yet doesn't mean it can't or won't be. Also, the "duplication" referred to doesn't refer to copy-pasting (although that isn't allowed either), it refers to redundancy. Basically, the article as you made it added nothing new to Wikipedia since everything was already in other articles. <font face="sans-serif"><font color="#900">Alphathon    (<font color="#900">talk ) 18:14, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe you could consider splitting parts of some of the articles instead. <font face="sans-serif"><font color="#900">Alphathon    (<font color="#900">talk ) 18:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Microsoft is currently trying to turn "Xbox" into a replacement brand name for "Zune" (see Xbox Music on windows 8) so this is a warranted change. -- occono (talk) 21:10, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

8-bit analogue buttons?
What does "six 8-bit analog action buttons" mean? Analogue buttons do not have bits. Should it be six analogue input ports with 8-bit ADCs? Sigmundg (talk) 22:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Analog(ue) in this instance doesn't really refer to analogue electronics (although I suppose that's what the buttons would be) but rather analogue control (which is somewhat of a misnomer, but one that also applies to analog sticks). I believe a better description would probably be "six pressure-sensitive buttons read with a bit depth of 8" or something to that effect, although that doesn't really roll off the tongue. <font face="sans-serif"><font color="#900">Alphathon    (<font color="#900">talk ) 00:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * A bit dept (wordlength) of 8 bits means that there will be $$2^8=256$$ different positions, which does not make sense for pressure buttons (it would make sense if applied to ADC for a joystik input). If they are pressure buttons then they will have two positions (out and in), corresponding to a single bit. I have never seen this control (nor an xBox), which is why I ask. Perhaps somebody with an xBox could enlighten us? --Sigmundg (talk) 00:36, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * While I agree it doesn't make that much sense to use 8-bit precision (256 "positions") on a button (since there is no way for the user to be even close to that precise), I think that is what it means. While I don't have much experience of the Xbox side of things, the DualShock 2, Sixaxis and DualShock 3 PlayStation 2/3 controllers, which use a similar setup, I am familiar with. Basically, the harder you press the button, the more it registers. For example, in Wipeout HD, where the triggers are used for the air brakes, the X button is used as the accelerator, and takes advantage of the pressure-sensitive nature of the button to provide variable acceleration, depending on how hard the player presses down on it. <font face="sans-serif"><font color="#900">Alphathon    (<font color="#900">talk ) 16:33, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Error?
Please Add A "Technical Problems" Section As The Xbox Origanal Also Had The RROD — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.71.217.106 (talk) 01:06, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * The original Xbox didn't even have a ring of light, so how exactly did it have a Red Ring of Death? Regardless, as far as I am aware there were no major technical problems with the original Xbox, so a "technical problems" section is unwarranted.


 * <font face="sans-serif"><font color="#900">Alphathon    (<font color="#900">talk ) 03:47, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


 * P.S. There is no need to start every word with a capital letter - in English only sentence-initial words and proper nouns are capitalised (with a few exceptions such as adjectives derived from proper nouns, e.g. "English" in "that was a very English thing to say").

Edit request on 21 February 2013
The line "Xbox Live servers were shut down on April 15, 2010," is incorrect as Live is still fully functional, just not on the original Xbox.

207.62.151.77 (talk) 02:46, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Just a note to other editors. I'm fixing this, but the ref is to a landing page so need to sort that out as well. - X201 (talk) 09:01, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ - Microsoft have emptied their Xbox news archive of anything prior to December 2011. So I needed to find a new ref. All sorted now. -X201 (talk) 09:16, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Proposed move
There is a proposed move discussion that involves this article. - X201 (talk) 10:22, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Fatty cite for controller name
It's a bad cite. It proves nothing beyond one IGN editor using that name and he even says right there that it's not a 'specific public name'.76.226.119.86 (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Sales figures
Someone said that the console sold only 550,000 in Japan, not two million. I believe that sources are needed for accuracy of sales. Same for the rest of the regions. --George Ho (talk) 20:36, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Operating System
Under the Operating System section it states that the Xbox's operating system was **not** based on Windows NT/2000, but in the info box it says that it was based on Windows XP. Shouldn't one of these be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.98.204.22 (talk) 00:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

2 million in japan?
Is there a source to this. Common statements has the Xbox below 1 million in japan. Japanese media also consistently reports the Xbox 360 is the highest selling Xbox in japan, so this number is fishy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leeroyhim (talk • contribs) 16:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Xbox used by many
Xbox is used by many teenagers including you harry — Preceding unsigned comment added by CamJ100 (talk • contribs) 09:44, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 February 2013
States the Jaguar was the last official american console before the Xbox. That is an error, that would be the Nuon.

64.134.64.79 (talk) 01:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Please give a reliable source to confirm your claim. Camyoung54   talk  02:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The Nuon wasn't a game console, it was a short-lived marketing gimmick attached to a few set-top TV boxes. Its gaming library never amounted to more than the pack-in games on an fresh installation of Windows or Linux. SilverbackNet talk 00:55, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Operating system
Why dont we call it Xbox OS 1? - Vargskelethor (talk) (sandbox) (userboxes) 05:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there a source that says that's the official name? If not... -- ferret (talk) 11:33, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved, WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) — Andy W.  ( talk  · ctb) 18:49, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Xbox (console) → Xbox (first console) – Title is ambiguous, there are three Xbox consoles. RightGot (talk) 08:47, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Opposed - Title is pretty clear. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 10:22, 16 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose: There is only one console that is called "Xbox". AdrianGamer (talk) 12:12, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Only one console is called "Xbox", however Xbox 360 and Xbox One are also Xbox consoles, though Xbox is not their name. This article should be titled Xbox (first console) to make it clear that it's not about all of them. RightGot (talk) 01:36, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Same reply as the other article. No one thinks "Xbox (Console)" is about "Xbox 360". The names are different, as you admit. it's Xbox (console) to differentiate from Xbox, which is the whole brand. -- ferret (talk) 01:48, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per Adrian. The other consoles have clear names that differentiate. -- ferret (talk) 12:30, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose (copy-pasting my own rationale on the PlayStation talk page), per WP:NATURAL and WP:CONCISE. Adding the word "first" is unnecessarily making the title longer, while there is only one console called "Xbox" that was the first. The follow-up consoles are called Xbox 360 and Xbox One and have those article titles, not Xbox (second console) or something. Again, WP:SNOW situation. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:31, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose and WP:SNOW this thing to oblivion.  ONR  (talk) 17:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is so stupid. JAG  UAR   21:21, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Only one console titled "Xbox"; Xbox 360 and Xbox One have different titles. — MRD2014 T C 23:37, 16 August 2016 (UTC)


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Sales Issues

 * I wanted to point out that the 2 million sales for "Asia & pacific" was based on the old false number of 2 million units sold in japan that kept being reverted after years of people trying to remove it. Since that number is now false, why is the 2 million still there? Unless we have a source for that number its just inaccurate. Spike Danton (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Broken link
Link #37 is broken. It should be replaced with the archived copy: https://web.archive.org/web/20060303093919/http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/690/690449p1.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by YakBizzarro (talk • contribs) 08:10, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Someone else fixed it while I was working on it  ♪♫Al  ucard   16♫♪  12:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2020
Amended on 06:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Here is the problematic text: The Xbox runs a custom operating system which is based on a heavily modified version of Windows 2000. It exposes APIs similar to APIs found in Microsoft Windows, such as Direct3D 8.1. Its source code was leaked in 2020. This text fails verification. The first citation provided says the opposite: "One of the first questions I get when someone hears I work on Xbox is 'So, what operating system do you guys use? Windows 2000, right?' I am honestly not sure where the Win2K misperception comes from, but Xbox runs a custom operating system built from the ground up." The second citation, The Verge, says the operating system is based on Windows 2000, but its wording suspiciously resembles that of this Wikipedia article. Please note how they put emphasize on "kernel", "partial", "DirectX" and "API". It appears they have derived the incorrect allegation from this article. Be that as it may, Microsoft's denial is important and deserves due coverage. I recommend changing it to: "The Xbox runs an operating system specifically made for this console. Microsoft categorically denies the OS being based on Windows 2000, despite API similarities." 91.99.253.174 (talk) 18:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done: It appears that this edit has already been added to the article. If this is not what you'd like, please re-open the edit request. <font color="maroon" face="Garamond">Donna Spencer <font color="#E6A817" face="times new roman">talk-to-me ⛅ 20:26, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Very well, I've amended my request. 91.99.255.196 (talk) 06:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: The sources did fail verification as written, but their positions in the paragraph just needed to be swapped. I did that and you should now find that they do pass verification. — Tartan357   ( Talk ) 07:56, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Whatever. I wasted enough time here. Anyone who says Wikipedia cares about verifiability is extremely gullible. You guys are clearly censoring Microsoft's response. 91.99.255.196 (talk) 21:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Whatever. I wasted enough time here. Anyone who says Wikipedia cares about verifiability is extremely gullible. You guys are clearly censoring Microsoft's response. 91.99.255.196 (talk) 21:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Issue with the following irrelevant line
" At the time, GoldenEye 007 for the Nintendo 64 had been one of the few hit FPS games to appear on a console, as well as titles such as Perfect Dark and Medal of Honor." the reference doesn't make this statement and it seems to be personal commentary by a writer that would be better removed to create consistency and flow to the article 134.6.74.107 (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I rewrote the paragraph. The grammar and word choices were awful, and yeah, the mention of other titles was unneeded and inaccurate in many ways. oknazevad (talk) 07:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Record breaking?
Introduction section mentions that console had a "record-breaking launch" in North America. I can find no evidence of any meaningful record relating to console sales. However, there is evidence that the console holds the record for the highest ever "game-attach rate" at launch (meaning how many games are purchased with the console). Should this be adjusted or left alone? https://news.microsoft.com/2002/01/08/xbox-launch-one-of-most-successful-in-video-game-history/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.244.4.90 (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

File:Xbox-console.jpg scheduled for POTD
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Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2022
I just want to add this to a category Xylo2009 (talk) 04:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. What category did you want to add? RudolfRed (talk) 04:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

"Xbox executable" listed at Redirects for discussion
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"Xbox (first generation)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Xbox (first generation) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 8 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Xbox Live 1.0, 2.0, 3.0 update information
It would be a really good idea to add information about Xbox Live 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 as these are not well-documented outside of these old IGN articles:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2003/05/15/e3-2003-xbox-live-20

https://www.ign.com/articles/2004/02/19/xbox-live-30-features-revealed

The initial service, Xbox Live 1.0, was launched in 2002, with the 2.0 and 3.0 updates coming out in 2003 and 2004 respectively. Newly released games could take advantage of those features. These are really fascinating and many of these features are not well-documented. I'd be happy to help with providing further information into these topics.

Xbox Live 1.0 Features:

-Friends

-Voice

-Scoreboards

-Content Download

Xbox Live 2.0 Features:

-Xbox Live Now, A feature that allowed players to access friends, voice calls, and account information from the Xbox dashboard. Included with one of the Xbox dashboard updates, I'll get the exact version.

-XSN Sports, a feature that integrated Microsoft-produced sports games with a website (http://xsnsports.com) that allowed players to view realtime stats, join tournaments, and leagues. I'm also seeing an app called XSN Sports Messenger, but it isn't available for download on the Internet Archive. Going to see what I can do to get this.

-Live Web, a web version of Xbox Live that allows players to check their friends online status and access "custom" web experiences provided by game developers. Appears to be an early version of the Xbox Live website, located at (http://www.xbox.com/en-us/live/mylive/default.htm). (xbox.com/live )

-Xbox Live Alerts, a feature that would allow users to get alerts from Xbox Live even when they are not using their console. It was available on MSN Alerts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Alerts) enabled devices. More info here: https://web.archive.org/web/20051001082655/http://www.xbox.com/en-US/alerts/alertsintro.htm

Xbox Live 3.0 (Tsunami) Features:

-Clans: A guild/clan system, utilised by 21 Xbox titles (including Halo 2) (https://web.archive.org/web/20040203202217/http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/about/Article-V2-GuideToClans.htm)

-Competitions: An in-game tournament system, meant as a replacement for the previous XSN Sports system for future titles

-Online Content Swapping: An Xbox Live-integrated way for games to host custom player-created content for others to download

-Level Playing Field Technology: Features to identify and reduce cheating in online matches

-MSN Messenger Integration: A feature to allow for viewing friends lists, statuses, and notifications within MSN Messenger (https://web.archive.org/web/20040623065044/http://www.xbox.com/en-us/live/about/features-messenger.htm?level1=enuslive&level2=highlights1&level3=tsunami)

-Voicemail: The ability to send voice messages via Xbox Live Now

-Videomail: A promised feature to send video messages to Xbox Live friends, never implemented

-Video Calls: Video calls through the Xbox VideoChat app (only ever made available in Japan, but announced for late 2004 for the US)

-Arcade: Xbox Live Arcade was a part of the 3.0 update

Not part of any particular update, but it's worth. mentioning Xbox Live Prime Time (a scheduled gameplay night program): https://web.archive.org/web/20040222030757/http://www.xbox.com/en-us/live/events/online-primetime.htm

Going to keep using this section for posting research until I'm able to write up an article for it and publish it to the page itself.

Casuallynoted (talk) 19:58, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I'm going to procedurally decline this request, as edit requests (see WP:Edit request) are generally for much simpler changes, or simply to ask other editors to replace/amend some current text with new text. Your points here, however, are well taken and I think wholly reasonable and sensible. If you could write some suggested article text, rather than just a list, feel free to open the edit request and it can be added. Or—even better—wait a couple days until you are automatically given the confirmed permission, at which point you can add the material yourself! Good luck with your research in either case. Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 20:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)