Talk:Xbox 360 Elite

Misc comments
Edit made by anonymous user stated that an official announcement hadnt been made and that the console hadnt been announced - it has so ive undone their edit Redspecial68 12:41, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Deleted paragaph titled Andrew, content was "xbox sux buy ps3"84.60.26.79 12:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Changed that the console will only be a limited edition and will replace the Premium once sold out with a source. 172.141.11.243 18:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

512 MB RAM?
Didn't Microsoft state that new 512 RAM mem was going to be in the Elite? Elite Deforce 00:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Nope. All Xbox 360 consoles use the same 512 MB RAM chips since launch. Using the same RAM helps to cut costs, which is what we have to thank for the price drop.-Bradwart

Better Source For the Xbox 360 Elie Launch in Europe
I've added a link, showing the launch of the Elite shall be on August 24 in Europe, I got a link from IGN http://au.xbox360.ign.com/articles/802/802988p1.html but a better link would be better and easier to understand. John Mash 00:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC+10)

Protection
I've requested protection so that idiots can't replace the article with (perhaps correct!) mockings of the xbox 360 Paulfp 21:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. SOMEBODY PLEASE PERMANTLY BLOCK IP 216.45.15.34. Repeated vandilism everywhere!! Look at his history!Xplosneer 04:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Good job on the protection thing, its damn annoying to have people just cutting entire sections out and replacing them with some utter rubbish. One day they will grow up, maybe not soon but one day. Redspecial68 09:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Is the protection permanetn? If so, sould someone replace the tag with sprotected2J.delanoy 15:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

THE BLACK IS LIMITED
The Black console is a limited edition. I've re-edited it again with the source. WILL IDIOTS STOP CHANGING IT TO NOT LIMITED WITH NO FRIGGIN SOURCE TO BACK IT UP!!!

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH OKAY GUY http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168182.html As for the fate of the current hard-drive-less $299 Core Xbox 360 and 360-equipped Pro Xbox 360 models, Penello said they would continue to be offered. He also confirmed that the new model would be a permanent addition to the 360 product line and not a limited edition.


 * Hmmm, well as it stands now that paragraph doesn't really make sense, because here on Wiki it's now stating that it will be a third model, yet the reference link points to a source saying that it WILL be limited edition, and once it's sold out the premium will just mirror the Elite's specification. I think either the article or the source should be changed (whichever turns out to be true) but I don't want to piss anyone off so I'll just leave it for someone else ;) Paulfp 08:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh, that reference link most certainly does not point to a source saying it will be a limited edition. You must have misread it. As such, I don't think it needs correction. Michael.A.Anthony 17:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I got mixed up when I was writing that comment... the bit I'm referring to in that quote is this: "Eventually Elite hardware (in white plastics) will take the role of the Xbox Premium. That is to say, after the Elite is launched and sold out, future Xbox Premiums will have 120GB / HDMI." which is in contradiction to what this article says: "The black-cased console [...] will feature as a third SKU alongside the Core and Premium bundles and will always be available for purchase, rather than being a limited edition model." am I right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulfp (talk • contribs) 20:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC).


 * I've added a second refernce link onto the paragraph, hopefully that will eliminate some confusion. Although I still can't tell from the available information whether the black casing is limited edition or not. --Deathbane27 02:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The is seriously screwed up. It says it wont be a limited edition in the article then the source says it will be. Im sick of having to repeatedly change this article. THE BLACK IS LIMITED. ONCE IT RUNS OUT IT WILL STILL BE ELITE, BUT IT WILL BE WHITE!!!! GET IT NOW?? ARGH!

It is not limited, that source is not credible. I say somebody should find a new source from either ign.com, gamespot.com, or xbox.com, because it has been stated on all these websites that it is indeed not limited, and will always be available for purchase.

Then it's not limited. If the Elite just changes color, it wouldn't lose it's name. So it's still going to be called Elite, regardless of black or white. The color black may be limited, so then later on when we get a reliable source we should differentiate between the Elite Black and Elite white.

THat's the point, it isn't still going to be Elite, it's going to replace the Premium and will be known as premium.

OK Plain and Simple the Xbox360 Elite is a limeted edition console which will once the time period is over will then be sold as a white Xbox360 with HDMI and 120GB hard drive hope this helps Thingy28123 18:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The Xbox 360 Elite won't be replacing the Premium anytime soon. First off, it's more expensive than the Premium, it's black, it's not limited edition, and do you have any sources to back up that it will replace the Premium and be sold as white? カ  ラ  ム  09:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

If the black is limited, then why are they selling tons of black 360 accessories. That wouldn't make sense. Why re release every accessories in large amounts in stock, if there planing on to stop making the 360 in that color? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.65.165 (talk) 19:59, 14 August 2007 You are aware of course that this is a 5 month old conversation, the majority of which took place BEFORE the elite was finalized.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 20:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

A little something
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=52196 - Just thought it may help your discussion.--Dlae 13:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Criticisms?
Would it be fair to add a list of common criticisms to the article? In particular, I wanted to mention that because the 1080p signal that the X360 sends is upscaled on the console end, the HDMI cables give no visual advantage while playing X 360 games and that DVD-9 does not have the storage capacity for digital audio, and as such there is no audio advantage either. These are all verifiable claims, but would this be appropriate? I think it would be, but I'm looking for a second opinion. Michael.A.Anthony 17:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think a bit of criticism would be nice, as similar articles have them as well. Although not necessarily the ones you mentioned. (Myscrnnm 01:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC))

You have no knowledge of this console. It only upscales game that are rendered it 720p. Games such as Virtua Tennis 3 are RENDERED IN 1080p. No upscaling. PS fans are so naive. MOst games on that are 720p. At least we can scale games :P172.141.11.243 13:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not own a PS3, and within my own subjective capacity to make decisions, I consider it stupid. However, my personal opinions not withstanding, what you have said is demonstrably and inarguably erroneous, and I recommend you do further reading.  130.15.225.207 02:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Ignore the ignorant person above. A criticism's section would nice. Hempeater 21:53, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * A Criticism's section? For what purpose?  To give gizmodo et al. more opportunity for pointless barbs?  The Elite is exactly as MS intended, and it is well received.  The usual MS-haters aside, what _valid_ or worthwhile criticism does it have?  Nonsense. Wageslave 00:42, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Separate Article?
Is the Elite really notable enough to earn its own article or would a section on the main XBOX 360 page be more appropriate? I am not aware of another Wikipedia page devoted to what is essentially a minor revision of an existing product, the PS2 slim doesn't have its own page. I cannot see there being much more information released on the Elite to add to the article and the information there is could easily be included on the main page. SkorponokX 18:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd have no problems with it being merged into the main article Paulfp 20:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it should have it's own article just as the Nintendo DS Lite has it's own. Silver Sonic Shadow 20:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think this should have its own article. I agree with Silver Sonic Shadow. And if the PS2 SLim doesnt have an article, it should. i'm not gonna make it since i dont know much about it though. --Nick Scratch 20:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I also agree that the PlayStation 2 SCPH-70000 series should have its own article. However, this Xbox 360 Elite article is just so justified because whereas when SCEI releases a hardware revision, it's not supposed to be an upgrade. But with the Xbox 360 Elite, Microsoft is basically screwing over the early adopters who bought the Xbox 360 Premium assuming they were getting the highest-end Xbox 360, but have now been screwed over by Microsoft. (Myscrnnm 01:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC))


 * Hmmm - POV, lads, POV. You can get the main advantage of the Elite separately in the white 360 scheme in the form of the 120GB HDD. Also, HDMI is aimed solely at the American market - the only main 360 market where HDMI is in common usage. There is no practical advantage to having an Elite over a previous model unless you have a HDTV - and the quality difference between HD-Composite and HDMI is miniscule. No - it is the Elite owners who will be royally screwed for paying out extra for a new colour scheme.--JavaJawaUK 19:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the quality difference between composite and HDMI is huge. Composite has a maximum output of 480i (480 lines interlaced) while HDMI has up to 1080p (1,080 lines progressive). Not to mention composite is analog while HDMI is digital. Also, HDMI is NOT aimed solely at the American market. Sure, the French still use SCART, but Japan and others use HDMI. (Myscrnnm 19:07, 1 April 2007 (UTC))


 * I think the poster was referring to component output, which he is correct in saying that when done correctly is almost identical to HDMI. --Ray andrew 19:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay then. But even when component AV has comparable video quality, HDMI is still far superior to it because it is able to carry Super Audio CD's sound format. Plus, the PlayStation 3 uses HDMI 1.3, which has support for the sound formats used in Blu-ray disc and HD DVD. Basically, it can carry next-generation lossless audio formats.(Myscrnnm 16:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC))

format war
I've reinstated the little section about the Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD format war, as I think this is a very interesting point (the point I found most interesting when I first read this article) and is very relevant to the Xbox's market position. I have, however, made the title of this slightly more minor, so it's not a whole big section in itself. Paulfp 11:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the section is misleading. Microsoft has always stated that they would not include a HD DVD drive in future revisions, as they do not want to force expensive technology on people. Furthermore, there would be technical problems adding a HD DVD drive (or a Blu-ray drive for that matter) as they are not yet able to read normal DVD's at the same 16x speed as the current drive, possibly creating incompatibilities with several games, and slowing down others. Furthermore, to be honest the analyst that is quoted is a hack :). I will edit accordingly. --Ray andrew 13:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * "do not want to force expensive technology on people" Well thats a first :) *COUGH*DVD PLAYING ON THE ORIGINAL XBOX *COUGH COUGH*. Sorry about that, i got an irratible throat :) --Nick Scratch 20:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * WHAT? The first DVD players were released in November 1996, five years later the Xbox was released in November 2001. By that time DVD players could easily be had for less then $100. In fact back then Microsoft didn't even force people to pay for DVD-video royalties if they didn't want to (the royalties were associated with the required remote). I really don't see how the situation can even be compared. --Ray andrew 21:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with this Ray Andrew. Not to mention during the sixth-generation era, both Microsoft and Sony Computer Entertainment were using standard DVD media while Nintendo (and arguably Sega) were using low-capacity proprietary media. Plus, why is there any mention of Blu-ray disc at all in this article? Microsoft is officially backing the HD DVD format (not that I support it, I actually support BD, but I just thought I'd point this out). (Myscrnnm 01:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC))


 * I think the entire section should be left out. It is based on one, overly-critical article that is rather silly. MS stated all along that they would NEVER put an internal HD-DVD drive inside any xbox 360 SKU. The Elite is perfectly inline with this policy, unlike Sony who force users to have the blu-ray drive. And how are they dealing a blow to toshiba NOW, when they have been making 360s sans internal HDDVD drive for over a year and a half? RC Master 13:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah, another Sony player-hater. SCEI is by no means forcing users to use Blu-ray disc. I am proud to use a PlayStation 3 because SCEI gives me more choices as to what I can do with my system. I can use CDs, DVDs, SACDs, and BD. On the other hand, Microsoft limits you to only CD and DVD with with Xbox 360, and you have to pay $199 to use HD DVD, which isn't even that good (15GB per layer). In short, HD DVD is just a DVD 1.5. With the PlayStation 3, you get integration. (Myscrnnm 19:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC))


 * And clearly your just another HD DVD player-hater ;). I think it is quite strange that this one article that ignored all the technical problems and tried to make out like this was a big deal gets an entire section. I would vote that the section be removed. --Ray andrew 19:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I hate HD DVD for great reasons. It's simply not big enough of an improvement to have everyone transition all the way from DVD to it. And on top of that, they are trying to kill Sony/Philips, plus all the other companies supporting Blu-ray disc (eg Pioneer, HP, Samsung, Dell, Apple Inc., et cetera). (Myscrnnm 03:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC))


 * Let us not forget technological superiority has nothing to do with success in the electronics entertainment industry. Betamax was technically superior to VHS, on hard numbers and processing power the Sega Saturn was superior to the PS1, on the same note the Xbox 1 was superior to the PS2 (and so was the Gamecube). so HD and BD DVD warriors you just can't predict. 15 gigs a layer but you can triple layer for cheaper and get roughly the same capacity. Not that I've seen that many of either sell. Now on the subject of the article it can go or it can stay. If it goes remarks in the article should go to the format war section of the primary Xbox 360 article. As for what's there I think the section that says that the HD and Blu Ray can't play DVDs and other media at 12x speed is wrong for the most part. As is stated in Wikipedia most stand alone HD players play DVDs well. And the PS3 (I'm a MS man for the record) for the most part is backwards compatible, meaning PS1 cds and PS2 DVDs. To heck with citation I think that needs to be removed.Rayfire 15:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Although Betamax had better specs it lost because it did not have enough industry support. (Check its article)But Blu-ray has better technical specifications AND better industry support.


 * That's exactly right. Not to mention with Betamax, the key idea was that Sony kept the thing completely proprietary. With Blu-ray Disc, it's exactly like the CD. Sony collaborated with Philips and they've got a whole Blu-ray Disc Association with members from the major Hollywood studios.(Myscrnnm 03:46, 22 April 2007 (UTC))


 * This is still going completely off the point of the topic. MS had a stated policy of not including an HD DVD in the xbox 360 way back before the 360 was launched. Whether or not we agree with that choice, or whether or not HD DVD is better than blu-ray or vise versa is completely beside the point. The one (1) article doesn't need its own section. It can be moved to "reception" if it is really relevent at all. RC Master 11:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Transfer Cable?
Has anyone found definitive evidence that the transfer cable is also included in the Elite package? I know it comes with the 120GB HDD, but what if you wanted to transfer your data from an old (20GB HDD) XBox 360 to your Elite console? OptimumCoder 04:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I think it says in this video that it does come with a transfer cable

http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=52196

Matt_Pod,19:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

You don't get a transfer cable in the elite package - the transfer cable only comes with the 120GB packaging on its own. However, you can order a free cable if you buy an elite from xbox.com Phayz, 14:40, 8 May 2007 (GMT)

Retail
Does anyone know if they will sell the black controllers, headsets, etc. separately also. Or will they not be sold other than with the console? Mawest11 04:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yea they will be selling wireless controllers, charge kits, and headsets in black. --Ray andrew 15:16, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Ray, but will they be selling them separetely or just with the console? Mawest11 02:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * They will all be available separately. --Ray andrew 03:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Ray! Mawest11 20:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

HDMI Output
Does "The Elite will support the HDMI 1.2a specification, as development of the Elite began before the latest 1.3 specification was finalized" really belong. It sounds like a defense, specifically since the Playstation 3 is able to output at HDMI 1.3 and the specifications for it weren't released until June 22, 2006. Hempeater 22:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, so they expect us to believe that the Xbox 360 Elite was in development since before the PlayStation 3? I say this is bull. Is there even a factual basis for the statement you quoted?!(Myscrnnm 03:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC))


 * I think the section about it being in development before 1.3 was finalised should be taken out, especially as there is no citation given. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.61.241.100 (talk) 18:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

Put it this way. While HDMI 1.3 is the latest standard, very few TV's support it. Yes, the PS3 has 1.3, but look at its cost. It is $600.00 on average(the 60GB price drop is a clearance sale), while the Elite is only 450 after the price drop, and its hard drive is twice as large as the PS3, although the 80GB model makes this irrevalant. Microsoft may eventually include the 1.3 specification in a future hardware revision. And for all those who will say that 'Microsoft screwed us over by updating the console', think of this. Anyone who has a TV that supports 1.3 is probably not hurting for cash, and can always sell the older model on eBay. Come to think of it, does the Premium HDMI port support 1.3?-Bradwart 8/14/07

Out?
I read an article on dailytech that says someone got the console. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6974 — An as  talk? 18:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, some stores have already released them. I've seen it reported on Engadget. (Myscrnnm 03:49, 22 April 2007 (UTC))

65nm
will the console be 65nm chips?
 * OK, firstly, please sign your comments. Secondly, it hasn't been confirmed. There has been some speculation that it uses 65nm chips because of the redesigned motherboard aparrently using smaller capacitors. But until there is confirmation/denial from MS or more extensive tests (like power consumption) are undertaken, no one knows. If its not now, the 65nm chips will likely be rolled out to all 3 SKUs sometime later this year. RC Master 11:42, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it does not. It uses the same old 90nm chip.

Apparantly, When Microsoft added the HDMI port to the Premium, they added the 65nm chips across the line. But this is still unconfirmed, so don't take my word as law-Bradwart


 * More importantly, does the Elite fix the faulty motherboard? I mean, what I've read there's a giant problem with the current basic XO's - the motherboard is "stapled" somewhat wrong, when the console heats up and cools down, it bends the motherboard and in time (usually this happens in the first year), it will break it or some components will come loose. So, any idea is this fixed in the Elite? I suppose the 65nm chips would help with the cooling, but will it help enough to prevent this major couse RROD? --Petrim 21:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

He he...
Doesn't anyone think that the fact that the black 360 has a "bigger hard-drive" than the white 360 is funny/weird? I find it hilarious.68.43.180.69 22:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about?
 * That the Black 360 has a "bigger hard-drive" than the white 360. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.180.69 (talk) 21:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

It's a penis joke... H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 18:37, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The white ones have to pay 80 bucks to get a bigger one. Detha 14:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No, Detha, they have to pay 180 bucks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.61.241.100 (talk) 18:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC).

Wow, an I'd been preaching everywhere that it cost 80 bucks. Grrrreat. Detha 02:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Confused
I'm confused about the DVD playback using the HDMI cord. The sentence makes it sound that the Elite will not play HD-DVD movies but will play DVDs to the point that they look like HD-DVD. Is this true or does it need rewording.

Basically will the HDMI cable make DVDs look better than using the original component cables?

192.122.237.11 18:12, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The Xbox 360 Elite will 'upscale' ie, make a higher resolution of an image from the DVD, rather than just outputting the standard resolution, so they look better. They will not however, look as good as a movie captured in HD. Much of the article does need rewording anyway. RC Master 20:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

the million dollar question
ok this is my question does this thing can support 1080p via HDMI? If it does, imma buy it!!!!!!!!!!! and how can i get a black 360 A.S.A.P.????? it looks soooo nice


 * Yes, it can ouput 1080p via HDMI. All Xbox 360s are also capable of outputing resolutions up to 1080p via Component or VGA connections. Though not all HDTVs can accept 1080p signals, and fewer can do that over component. RC Master 20:35, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Although all XBOX 360's can all ready produce 1080p signals and send them accross componant ,for example (like I do with mine), HDMI is just a simpler and easyer way of sending 1080p signals to your HDTV. For example, HDMI is compaired to the SCART cable of the SDTV world. - 82.26.192.3 08:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

HDMI on all versions?
Does ALL 360s will have an HDMI output? not just the Elite. --MarioV 00:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No only the elite has HDMI, the others can output via component and VGA at up to 1080i and 1080p respectfully. --Ray andrew 00:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


 * There was a rumour that later this year when MS move to the 65nm process they would update the hardware; so all SKUs would use the same motherboard and hence all have HDMI ports. But currently, thats just a rumour, and only the Elite has an HDMI port for now. RC Master 20:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As of August 2007, the premiun also has an HDMI output. (Question Resolved)--MarioV 22:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Full Article
I don't think the Elite deserves a full article. If so, why don't you make the PSOne a full article?

-I agree, there is no need for a Elite article considering its not a "new" system. If it were like that then PSOne, Slim PS2 needs one too

I think it should be a full article just like the Nintendo DS Lite and Game Boy Advance SP are full articles. If you think the PSOne or Slim PS2 should be an article then you could be bold and make one for them. Silver Sonic Shadow 19:42, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I honestly think that this article should be kept seperate from the main Xbox 360 article for one reason. The 360 article is long enough without the added length that would come from merging this article into the main one. Just look at the PS3 article. It is way too long, but no one can figure out how to make it shorter. Don't do the same thing with the Xbox 360 article.___J.delanoy 00:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

False Advertising in terms of color?
Anybody know why MS made the console dark grey rather than the advertised black? The controller and the console itself are different shades. —The preceding Mayko-Crossfire 05:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

DVD Drive
So which DVD Drive the Elite comes with? the Samsung? the Hitachi? or the BenQ? --MarioV 19:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

All Xbox 360's made after November 1, 2006, use the quieter BenQ drive, not the TSST or Hitachi, and all Elite consoles were made well after that time, so the Elite is BenQ only.-Bradwart 8/14/07

Where?
Where is the 360 Elite. I've herd of it everywhere but I've never seen it. I've gone to every store, malls and whatnot and I've never seen it. Where are they? Iv'e seen the Black controller and 120GB hard-drive but never the Elite. --TheGreenLink 18:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

It's probly sold out every where !!!

Microsoft "format wars" position?
In the Reaction section, this article implies that Microsoft is neutral in the debate over Blu-ray versus HD DVD. The format war article that it links to, though, states directly that Microsoft sides with HD DVD. Which one is right/up to date? -VetteDude 02:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC) I think they are sold out everywhere but im not sure. Does anyone one know if this is just a beta version or are they already mass producing it?

XBOX 360 Elite - England
The price of the XBOX 360 Elite in England is £329.99 ! Animal91X 10:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

I believe that it is important to note that users who upgrade from a prior XBox 360 will not be able to play their arcade games or access the downloaded, purchased content from the other console without being signed in to Xbox Live. This is a serious issue as some of us have spent many dollars on Xbox Live, and our consoles died a red ring of death. Now our paid-for content is severely restricted in its use. twinpeaks711 07/20/07

Merge
Now that the Xbox 360 Elite and Premium/Pro models are both shipping with all the same internal parts (IE: the same motherboard and HDMI port), I propose that the two articles be merged. I didn't believe the Xbox 360 Elite should have it's own article to begin with, but now it deserves it even less. It's hardly a major hardware revision like the PSOne, PS2 Slim, etc, and even those don't have their own pages. The fact of the matter is that the only difference between the Elite and Pro/Premium models now, is the color scheme, and the size of their hard drives. And quite frankly, if we're creating articles for every single color variant now, then the GameCube, GameBoy Advance, and so on, should each have about 10 articles. Thusly, I'm proposing a merge. Believe it or not the majority of this information can be inserted into the Xbox 360 article without bloating it. --Venomaru 2.0 22:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC) Hm. Well, alright then. It seems the consensus is a definitive merge. I won't be able to attempt the process for a few days (as I'm somewhat preoccupied) but I'll return in a matter of time to do so. In addition, if anyone wants to attempt the merge, have at it, but I will be back soon, so either way. --Venomaru 2.0 06:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge Definitely. Same consoles, different colors. CrAzYbRoS 16:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge I think it should be merged.
 * Merge All information in this article could be summed up in a paragraph, at the very most. The component and price lists are already mentioned at the main article and there is no need for a reaction section on what is basically a consumer electronics SKU. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 23:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge Should be merged with main Xbox 360 article and given it's own section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.143.89 (talk • contribs)
 * Merge Yeah, it should be merged.--Kondrayus 14:18, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep (don't merge) This is getting old. It was already gone over once and the result was to keep it.  No need to spam the section title with caps either.--  Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 04:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC) Withdrawn.  Came across the notice regarding HDMI on the other hardware.  I agree this differentiates the SKU now only on the same level that the "pro" and "core" are differentiated from eachother.--  Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 19:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why? ˉˉanetode╦╩ 04:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a difference now, Oni Ookami, the difference being that there is absolutely no difference between the hardware itself. The Premium and Elite models now both use all the same internal parts. The only thing that makes them different now is that the Elite has a larger hard drive, and is black. What sense does it make to have its own article? After all, Wiki doesn't give mere color variants their own articles. As for the large title, not my usual style, but I wanted to catch people's eye. --Venomaru 2.0 13:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's true, the addition of the HDMI and whatnot does bring them more closely in line with eachother. As such I have withdrawn my objection.  As for the title, I appreciate what you are trying to do but it's really not necessary, the merge notice on the page should more than suffice, and all the caps do is to create a minor eyesore.--  Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 19:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - negligible differences. 59.167.36.76 07:28, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - Very few differences, and if the Elite has it's own article, then the Halo 3, Simpsons, and 300 versions should have their own as well. Шr.ĸĮicĸ  19:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - The Premium and Elite versions have exactly the same internal hardware. The difference is color and included accessories, which is hardly notable for a second article. If the Elite had capabilities that can't be had on the Premium version it would be different. Bdhoff 19:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - Per nom. Also, would this be better suited to be considered a special edition then? ♦TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 00:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think special edition is the wrong phrasing. The elite is to be a persisitent SKU], so it is more like differentiating between trim packages on a car.  (XE, LE, SE, etc.) than it is a special or limited edition.-- [[User:Oni Ookami Alfador| Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 17:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - The Xbox 360 Elite is more of a special edition of the Xbox 360, rather than an entire new console. In addition, merging the articles would help keep general Xbox 360 information straight amongst both the Elite and the original versions. TheInfinityZero 16:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - Just like the Core and Pro versions, the Elite is simply another configuration that is available. It's still the Xbox 360, and there is not enough differences in the design and hardware to look at the console as separate. W  IKIPEE  DIO  00:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge - It should be merged, why wouldn't it? It would be a lot easier to have everything related to the xbox360 on one page with one search. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Badnewzkennels (talk • contribs) 15:58, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

Page merged
I went ahead and merged the page into Xbox 360. ♦TH 1 RT 3 EN talk ♦ contribs 17:17, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well thank you muchly, TH1RT3EN. I was planning on doing it tomorrow, as I finally have a whole day free, but now I have even less to do and more free time, so again, thank you. --Venomaru 2.0 02:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)