Talk:Xbox network/Archive 2

P2P Vs. Dedicated Servers
There needs to be more talk on this, i know it varys from game to game but i think major games should be specified on which they use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.103.233.174 (talk) 07:26, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Number of Registered Users
Is it me, or there's no column showing how many registered Xbox Live users there are? The PSN article has a section on this, so why does this article lack it? User:DinoHunter2 (talk) 19:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Two price tables?
Is there any particular reason there's two price tables? One with the prices in the original currency and one with the price in USD. It seems to have been added on October 21st in this edit, but I wanted to check here before taking it out, since it's been in so long. Just seems kind of... redundant? Possibly misleading if the exchange rates changed? Whatever, I guess. --Ryajinor (talk) 23:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * So you're the guy who removed my tables? Alright, now I know who to hate.  That was a lot of work, and it was because it was INTERESTING to see how much more or less people in other countries were paying. --TIB (talk) 23:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


 * ...Feel free to put it back, if you want? --Ryajinor (talk) 00:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The reason being that its a scam. If you look at the cost MS charge you, then look at the exchange rates, its much more expensive to buy MS points in europe, for example.86.16.153.191 (talk) 12:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Live servers messed up
The live servers have been experiencing connection problems and there have been issues with matchmaking and account management for a week or more, does anyone have details? 68.159.83.199 (talk) 02:54, 31 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I saw mention of Live ID transaction problems, but nothing published yet. Zune Marketplace might also be affected.   -- SEWilco (talk) 06:06, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, also some guys in texas are trying to sue xbox for a good million..

Possible copyright violation: "Holiday 2007 Issues" section
The majority of the section titled "Holiday 2007 Issues", originally added by 70.15.10.90 on January 3, 2008 at 10:52 AM EST (revision 181874708), appears to have been copied and pasted from a GameSpot article at http://www.gamespot.com/news/6184221.html, possibly in violation of a copyright (see: Copyright violations). As such, I have tagged the section with the template.

Please re-write this section or remove it. Thanks. lightsup55 ( T | C ) 20:01, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed the section, though it is a shame to have lost the work you did on the section after it was added. Dreaded Walrus t c 20:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I agree with every word you said. Though I do want to note that I only noticed that the section was copied from that GameSpot article only after I added the reference to it. I'll see if I can re-write the section myself sometime later today as I do believe that it is very notable for inclusion to the article. lightsup55 ( T | C ) 20:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, it certainly got a lot of coverage, and you did find a lot of refs for it too. I'd have nothing against it going back in rewritten. Again, good work on the section. :) --Dreaded Walrus t c 20:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Differences Between Memberships
What are the differences between memberships? Can you download add-ons with a silver membership? 76.126.35.84 (talk) 18:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is NOT a forum for general discussion. The best place to look for an answer to your question would be on Xbox.com lightsup55 ( T | C ) 19:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

That's not general discussion. This is: I don't care how long ago this was written, but "can you download add-ons with a silver membership" seems like a valid question to me (I think the answer to the question is now in the article). People like you (Lightsup55) are dicks. Lighten up. PigManDan (talk) 21:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The Xbox Live Silver and Xbox Live Gold Comparison table needs updating. http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/goldBenefits.htm - Should these line items be added to the table - Gold Member content, Play XBox Originals On-Line, Provide Player Feedback Hoovie (talk) 21:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

I Still see something I think should be fixed in the Comparison table. currently for downloadable content it indicates 2 that "Some content available one week after Gold subscribers" - but there is some content that is only available to Gold Subscribers, should this #2 clause read "Some content only available to Gold subscribers, and some available one week after Gold subscribers" Hoovie (talk) 20:18, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Xladb.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 08:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Achievement Listing
I wondering if we can list the Achievemts of the Xbox 360 games. Not say showing the serets one but have it listed like this. Or some thing like this.

500/500 total
 * achievement 1
 * achievement 2
 * achievement 3 (Secret)

Or having it like this

500/5000 total
 * achievement 1
 * achievement 2
 * (Secret)

--Drifter2000 (talk) 17:55, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately not, per WP:WikiProject_Video_games/Article_guidelines and WP:NOT xenocidic (talk) 17:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Cancellations
There has been a lot of stuff written in the past few months about problems associated with cancelling Gold accounts. I've added some of this to the article, however it might flow a little better if there was an explicit section dealing with these criticisms. Any thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.30.214 (talk) 04:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * non-notable blogs are not appropriate sources. try to find something more reputable. xenocidic (talk) 04:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not really sure how we can find something more reputable on a subject like this. Some minor criticism of the cancellation procedures isn't likely to make the pages of a newspaper or publications of a similar stature. At best there might be a review article out there which mentions it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.30.214 (talk) 05:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * See what you can find. Review WP:Sources (especially the bit about self-published sources) and WP:WikiProject Video games/Sources. also, don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes (  ~  ) . You might also consider creating an account and joining the WP:WikiProject Video games and/or the WP:WikiProject Xbox xenocidic (talk) 05:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a mention about issues in cancelling the automatic subscription. However, the impossibility to remove credit card details in general (by other means than calling MS) could be better covered. A whole subtopic perhaps? 195.148.49.204 (talk) 12:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it may be that end users are confused. You do not need to cancel your account, just down grade to silver level. All of this can be done with the website at billing.microsoft.com - yo can change auto-renew, stop your gold membership, as well as add and remove payment methods, including credit cards. Hoovie (talk) 22:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Achivevements - what are they for ?
What is the point of these things ? do you get anything for getting them all ? or is it just for glory and fame ? 82.227.62.119 (talk) 15:26, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is not a forum.  N i m i  T i  z e  20:03, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So what ? the article talks about Achievements, but does not explain their purpose, ... and ... I am interested as well.--81.80.239.162 (talk) 10:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Are any of these articles helpful?
 * One-upmanship (closet article related to "Bragging rights")
 * Achievements with Xbox 360 on Xbox.com
 * Achievements: Your Gaming Legacy on Xbox.com


 * Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 11:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I use them as a way to track my gaming accomplishments and history and compare said accomplishments to friends. Good point though, the article should have some treatment of achievements and how people use them. xenocidic (talk) 13:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you all--81.80.239.162 (talk) 14:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Gamerscore userbox
Thought you guys might like this,


 * User:Xenocidic/Gamerscore

use   to add this to your userpage  (who's using it?)

Enjoy! xenocidic (talk) 14:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Serious Question
Is it just me... or is this article a load of rubbish? It talks for paragraphs and paragraphs about Xbox Live's "members" and how many have "subscribed" and how Microsoft "celebrates" these victories and all that jazz... and then it says that this counts Silver users!!! I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Silver users HAVE NOT paid for the service and CANNOT play online - it's just a gimmick that comes with every Xbox, so I believe it is extremely misleading and deceitful to talk about a subscription online gaming service and count people who HAVE NOT subscribed and cannot play games on it! Please, please, please tell us how many people USE and PAY FOR Xbox live, that is, how many Gold members there are - that's what people come here to find out (due to internet rumours that only 5-10% of Xbox users pay for Live) - but instead the article completely misleads them unless you read very closely, right to the end, and realise it's all a load of rubbish and the number just represent how many Xboxes are sold. --DreamsReign (talk) 20:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well that was a nice rant. You should get a blog.--8bitJake (talk) 19:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yar but he has a point. I will have a look to see if I can find out.--Inputdata (talk) 08:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Silver Members are LIVE members. No dispute here.  Wikipedia isnt your fanboy-blog.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.18.79 (talk) 19:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Good Article Review
Hey, I was the reviewer for the GAN for Xbox Live. I found a few problems, but overall I must say it was pretty good. Being an XBOX 360 owner with Live, I know a lot about this subject and to be honest there are several aspects missing. For one, hardly anything was mentioned about achievements on XBOX Live. Achievements are a large part of XBOX Live, and I could understand it because I play a lot on XBOX Live, but to someone say wanting to buy an XBOX 360 and is looking at the Live article, they would be very confused. Another thing, why isn't there a redirect for xbox 360 live. I remember when I first came looking on Wikipedia for a XBOX Live article, I typed in XBOX 360 Live, obviously I got it from search but it should still be there. A few things to work on, I think its good, but I still want a second opinion. Good Luck when the second reviewer reviews, and good day. Warrior4321talkContribs 22:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You can always put the article on hold and inform the editors that they have a week to work out the issues, in your case, expand the achievement section of the article (with reliable refs of course). Alos, Redirect pages are easy to make and should be no hassle at all, just tell the editors about the pages that need redirects. Hope that helps. -- Noj r (talk) 22:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Too late now, I'll just go with the second opinion. Warrior4321talkContribs 01:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

2nd opinion
I'll have more comments posted when I have the time, but I do concur with Warrior's assessment that Achievements are missing. I'm also concerned about some sections which aren't adequately sourced and seem more like opinion, such as "Getting online" and "Security". Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 11:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As the concerns above and mine were not carried out in seven days, this article is failed. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 11:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Lead is insufficient and the article should clarify when It has been discovered that pretexting has been used happened. hbdragon88 (talk) 00:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no such thing as "XBOX Live". It is spelled, "Xbox LIVE".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.18.79 (talk) 19:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Nonsense?
"The system makes common use of ports." What the hell does THAT mean? 69.23.139.184 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it's what was left over after someone decided that specifying the actual port numbers was being too specific, and hence removed the port numbers. What one is left with is a vague statement that doesn't really convey much meaning, so I'll go ahead and take it out.  --Slordak (talk) 14:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Redirect from gamerscore blog?
Why does gamerscore blog redirect to this page? It is a website from the xbox live team (along with a podcast), whereas it is mentioned only once in passing on this entire page. Seems to be a poor use of a redirect. 151.190.254.108 (talk) 19:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably because no one has up and written an article (or section) about the Gamerscore blog yet? Be bold! write it yourself ;> xenocidic (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Here is a start

"Gamerscore blog is an official website for Xbox Live. It is run by members of the Xbox Global Marketing Team. It is frequently updated with news and information about Xbox products and games. It features a weekly audio podcast, screenshots and photos." --8bitJake (talk) 20:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * y'arr couldn't just make a section urself? ;> xenocidic (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I just did.--8bitJake (talk) 20:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Seconds too late! I stole your diligent work. =) xenocidic (talk) 20:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

You know. If we have a section for Gamerscore blog we should have a section about the Inside Xbox video segments that are actually on the Xbox now. --8bitJake (talk) 20:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable enough. xenocidic (talk) 20:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

done --8bitJake (talk) 21:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Wired Headset
This article includes parts about xbox 360 wireless headset and vision camera but isn't there the wired headset missing? It is probably the most popular accessory and deserves a small section simalr to the wireless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rooster212 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The wired headset is bundled with the console, that's probably why it does not have it's own section. SeanMooney (talk) 23:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

You dont get any headset with the core/arcade —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.153.191 (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

South Africa
Isn't Xbox Live available in South Africa? I was playing against this guy who's profile showed that he was from South Africa.69.181.141.140 (talk) 01:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Xbox Live is not available in South Africa (not on list at http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/countries.htm) and no firm details have been received from Microsoft South Africa. There is a current petition (http://www.sayyoursay.com/Xbox360/) to get it launched, but there is no current news. Can someone update the main page, I'm new here? Moersleutel (talk) 19:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Reads like an advert
none of the problems addressed--Mongreilf (talk) 09:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a very helpful post, how about pointing out specific examples so that other editors can take a look and perhaps rewrite things? SeanMooney (talk) 10:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ,, --Mongreilf (talk) 13:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you need to read the page more closely, the Fall 2007 downtime issue already has a huge paragraph under History section.... SeanMooney (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia's purpose isnt to air ridiculous gripes, but to describe what a thing _is_.64.228.134.238 (talk) 05:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Logo
I think the logo would look a lot better if it had a transparent background (without the whiteness), anyone else agree? —— Ryan |  t  •  c  10:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think you are allowed to modify logos because of trademarks. You must not emit anything from logos to prevent accusations of "taking it out of context" UKWikiGuy (talk) 09:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Xbox Live vs. Xbox LIVE
If the officially trademarked name of the online service is "Xbox LIVE", then why is the article titled and located at "Xbox Live"? — OranL (talk) 00:19, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just ran across a similar issue myself. I noticed that on a page linking to the Xbox LIVE page, LIVE was incorrectly capitalized according to the official trademark, and the Xbox 360 Technical Certification Requirements.  I was going to edit and fix it, but further investigation revealed that this is the norm across all Wikipedia pages, including the actual Xbox LIVE page. Is there a reason for this, or should this capitalization issue be fixed wherever it's found? Mstrkingdom (talk) 09:05, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are right Mstrkingdom. --SkyWalker (talk) 09:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This has been previously discussed, citing Manual of Style (trademarks). See the archived discussion. --Slordak (talk) 12:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The most recent Technical Certification Requirement states that the correct term is 'Xbox LIVE', all pages should be changed to reflect this Change1211 (talk) 08:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have just reverted those changes. Per the Manual of Style regarding trademarks:
 * Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official":
 * avoid: REALTOR®, TIME, KISS
 * instead, use: Realtor, Time, Kiss
 * TheChrisD Rants • Edits 10:23, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * My mistake, it's a force of habit for me. My job is making sure that TCR's are followed and one of the most common violations is the term 'Live' instead of 'LIVE' Change1211 (talk) 20:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually changed ALL the Live to LIVE in the Xbox Live article quite a while ago, but I realized that WP:MOS requirements for low-cap article names, so it was reverted and just placed "Trademarked Xbox LIVE" with a ref.  R k O r  T o  N  17:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Xbox Live goes free?
I read in a Game Informer magazine and discovered that Microsoft waivered all costs of the service, making all aspects of Xbox Live FREE. Is this true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.214.217.132 (talk) 20:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, that was for Games for Windows LIVE games only. Now, please read WP:FORUM :) TheChrisD Rants • Edits 21:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

No Dedicated Server (Criticism)
Source: http://play.tm/story/7410

Having no dedicated servers (unlike PC gaming) should be commented on VTNC (talk) 16:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Dedicated servers are game specific. Some game developer companies provide dedicated servers for their XBox 360 titles.  Some games have the ability to run as servers, without gameplay on that console.  The same holds true for other console platforms.  Hoovie (talk) 17:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The claim that "lack of dedicated servers" constitutes criticism is itself in dispute. It's a urban-myth generated from the opinion that anything MS does it "bad and worthy of criticism".  Not having dedicated servers is an advantage in many regards.  A dicussion of dedicated vs. user-hosted may be worthwhile, but adding  a "CRITICISM" section is A) unnecessary, B) contrary to the reality of the situation and C) against wikipedia general style guidelines.

There ARE dedicated PC Server softwares for some titles.

Free month with new account, not new console
The article states that "Every new Xbox 360 comes with a 1 month subscription to Xbox Live Gold" which is false as every new account comes with a 1 month subscription to Xbox Live Gold. Buying a new xbox while keeping the same account will not giving the player a free month. --SPACEBAR (talk) 06:57, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but Every 360 comes with 1 month of Gold for every new account.  R k O r  T o  N  17:04, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Each console comes with a set number of free months for new accounts. Let me rephrase, a new console will come with the ability for 6 new accounts to each have one free month of gold membership. After that, new accounts will only be silver. this was to stop people from just making a new account everymonth to play for free. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.99.65.63 (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * My Xbox 360 only allowed 3. Has it changed since that time? Pik  upur  phat  17:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

GAN to be placed?
I think with some more minor fixes to this article, it could possibly be a GA. What does everyone think?  R k O r  T o  N  17:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Gamerscore
As noted in the section ,it says that only 250 points can be added to a game while Halo has a total of 1750 gamerscore?

This must be changed. 72.138.216.89 (talk) 22:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

New Images
We need to update the images of things like the Marketplace, since they are now outdated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.191.191.20 (talk) 12:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The images are not outdated, yet anyway. I do think that new images should be added to show screenshots if you have downloaded Zune. As the Zune application takes control over the Marketplace sections if you downloaded the Zune app. Hoovie (talk) 17:31, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Xbox community games
I was looking for Xbox community games and got a re-direct to this article. But it says nothing here about it so can someone make a section or even better edit the re-direct page so it is a actual article and not re-direct?--Inputdata (talk) 09:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Critique of the "New Xbox Experience?"
I'm one of the most ardent "anti-advertisement" people on Wikipedia I think, and I have to say that the "New Xbox Experience" section kinda reads like an advertisement. Its mainly in that for all the whining by users that the new layout is rubish on forums, to the critique of it even in popular webcomics (CAD sillies for one), and negative aspects of some reviews, I don't see any sort of criticism of the New Xbox Experience layout.

Is there a good reason for this, or has it just not been added yet? Scryer_360 (talk) 18:33, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * True. Please also see the article: Xbox 360 System Software which may be more appropriate as it talks about the system software and not the Xbox LIVE service. Philhower (talk) 21:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Especially when at the time the NXE download was heavily criticized, even by gaming magazines. The NXE setup was, and still is, considered inferior to the earlier setup.  Avatars were considered and unnecessary annoyance and were seen as a rip-off of Nintendo's Mii characters.  If anyone has game magazines from those months, it would be easy to find criticism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.113.8.138 (talk) 17:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

No Criticisms?
I find it odd that there was very little mention of anything negative in this article. I was most surprised by no discussion on criticisms of XBox Live concerning the frequently profane nature of communications between users with very little in the way of controls. But there are certainly other criticisms of it as well. Is this simply because nobody has attempted to add an article section on it? Or does Microsoft patrol this article and make sure that any criticisms get removed? I'm not trying to pick a fight, but hey, I think it warrants discussion. Porphyrous (talk) 17:58, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Either you have sources for your criticisms, in which case: hey, be bold, or these are complaints from your own experience, in which case: profanity? On the internet?  No!, I trow thee not.

There is a criticism page. There is a whole page called xbox 360 technical problems —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.153.191 (talk) 12:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Technical problems≠ critisim, the page you are citing is not critical in any way of Microsoft75.176.64.72 (talk) 23:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

If you check here and here you'll find that there are few kind words towards Xbox Live. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.65.235.92 (talk) 08:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Gamertags linked to deactivated Windows Live IDs become impossible to recover
Basically the problem is that if a Windows Live ID is not used regularly, it is deleted from the Windows Live ID (Passport) database. However, the Xbox LIVE Gamertag still thinks it is associated with that non-existant Windows Live ID. The problem is that even if you recreate the Windows Live ID with the same email address that new Windows Live ID doesn't know about the Gamertag in return, making the gamertag unrecoverable or upgradable.

What gets worse is that this creates a catch-22. It is impossible to recover the Gamertag or to change the Windows Live ID associated with the Gamertag because the corresponding Windows Live ID either does not exist or if it is recreated does not point back to the Gamertag. Talking to support, everyone with this issue is told they will never again be able to recover their gamertag as there is currently no way to fix this broken association between the Gamertag and the non-existant or recreated Windows Live ID. Essentially, the gamertag is 'corrupted'

In my personal case I have Xbox 360 Zero Hour assets in my gamertag that I can't recover, but others that are having this problem are faring much worse, including losing their ability to upgrade to Gold Membership and losing their access to their credits that they paid cash for. Note that in some places online it is incorrectly explained that this only applies to Hotmail-based Windows Live IDs, but it applies to all Windows Live IDs as even mine was deleted due to inactivity.

References: 1. http://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-thinks-you-are-disposable-118047.phtml 2. http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/showthread.php?t=49775 3. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1362047 4. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346396

--CortlandKlein (talk) 01:27, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View
Various statements seem more of the author's opinion rather than just stating the facts. For example:

When referring to the beginning ideas that turned into Xbox Live, the article states "Steve Balmer and Bill gates both had a vision of making overpriced downloads and add-ons that will attract lots of new buying customers to make them money."

When referring to the Microsoft Points given on Xbox Live's 5th anniversary, the article states "This however turned out to be a scam that tricked angry customer into the world of overpriced gaming"

These seem like opinions rather than statements of fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Entrpy (talk • contribs) 06:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Those statemenets are clear trolls. I will remove them now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.18.79 (talk) 19:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Advertisement
This whole article is practically an advertisement. I mean in addition to it reading as an advertisement the little bit of critisism (Specifically the I guess you could say attitude against homosexuality) is incomplete. Or at least doesn't portray the whole thing properly. I mean if you read this article, then play xbox live, you have to wonder if Microsoft wrote this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.32.143 (talk) 23:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Disagree completely. The policy regarding sexual content on LIVE is orientation-agnostic.  The policy is "no sexual content", NOT "no homosexual content". You're intentionally mischaracterizing the situation.  The rest of your argument is clearly spacious.  The article is overly-negative balanced in my opinion.  Considering LIVE's features and position in the market -- that it is widely accepted as leaps-and-bounds ahead of the other comparative offerings, I would suggest this article shows too much restraint and nit-picking.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.18.79 (talk) 19:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

"Live" should be changed to "LIVE" article-wide
It is clear that [] the brand is "LIVE" and not "Live". The article should be changed -- in total -- to reflect this.

As support, please see "iPod". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.18.79 (talk) 19:46, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * See WP:TRADEMARK. iPod is a special case... – xeno  ( talk ) 19:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

i know im not supposed to use the discussion page for random questions.. but it stated in the article "On May 26, 2007, Halo 2 was the first Games for Windows game to feature Achievements, which counted towards a player's Xbox Live Gamerscore.", how would i go about doing this?949paintball (talk) 18:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

question..
ok, i know i am not supposed to use a discussion page for random questions.. but i saw this int he article, "On May 26, 2007, Halo 2 was the first Games for Windows game to feature Achievements, which counted towards a player's Xbox Live Gamerscore.", and was wondering how i would go about this..?949paintball (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Diamondice25
There has been an entry for a xbox live user named "Diamondice25" who describes (himself?) as "controversial". This is nothing more then an advertisement for himself, and should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.181.152.3 (talk) 14:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Gamerscore totals
In this section, it says Halo 3 is the only game with more than 1250G. Gears of War 2 has 1425G, and Fallout 3 has 1350G.

The last sentences should be (no quotes):

"These possible totals per game have been raised to 1250G, but there are exceptions. Halo 3 has 1750G, Gears of War 2 has 1425G, and Fallout 3 has 1350G. The Arcade games' totals have been raised to 250G, see below."

Please change. Jim Brannen (talk) 23:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect info RE: Zones
"There are four Gamer Zones; Recreation is for casual gamers, Family is for family-friendly gamers (without profanity, etc.), Pro is for competitive gamers who enjoy a challenge, and Underground ... However, in practice these gamer zones are only displayed on the Gamercard of the player, and don't tend to impact on the gameplay experience or the matching of players in online games."

Is inaccurate. The Zones do affect who you play with, to wit see it says;

"The Zone you join helps tell others the kind of player you are - in fact, they can see it on your Gamercard. It's another step that __ensures you're matched with like-minded players.__"

The word "matched" in this context does not mean "self select".

Further, it says;

"Pick a zone and meet lots of like-minded people."

Ie: You are _matched_ with people from your zone.

This sentence "However, in practice...and don't tend to impact on the gameplay experience or the matching of players in online games." is incorrect.

Additionally, it is uncited and in clear contradiction of the source I provide here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.86.27 (talk) 08:54, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect info RE: U.K. pricing
I'm not sure about the other prices but I just paid for a 12 month live subscription and it was £40.00 not £35.00 as stated. The prices need to be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.31.77.125 (talk) 23:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Its been £40 since at least christmas (late dec 2008). Its because of exchange rates i think (last year a pound got like 1.8 dollars and now it gets like 1.3) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.153.191 (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

How many xbox live subscribers are there?

So what's an Dick?
The article Achievement links to Achievement (Xbox 360) which links to the "Gamerscore" subsection of this Xbox Live article. What do the "Achievements" in my Fallout 3 and Half-Life 2: Episode 2 PC games have to do with Xbox? (forgive me I've never played or even touched an xbox) --70.143.54.203 (talk) 21:16, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Each achievement is worth a bit of gamerscore. The gamerscore is a rough metric that you can use to compare with others. You can drill down to compare achievements among friends for individual games. –xenotalk 21:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * But I don't have an Xbox live account and never saw "gamerscore" before reading this article. The "Little Rocket Man" achievement in HL2 is pretty funny though. --70.142.41.253 (talk) 20:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think some PC games started including achievements of their own, especially when they had console counterparts... Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, it seems. –<b style="font-family:verdana; color:black;">xeno</b><sup style="color:black; font-family:verdana;">talk 20:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

How many GOLD members?
Microsoft says there are 17 million XBL subscribers, but I think they are counting the free Silver accounts too, right? How many are the paid Gold accounts? Perhaps another way of asking -- how many members are playing other members? (Since only Gold members can play with other players) What's the largest possible pool of online players available to play against? --Navstar (talk) 16:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Xbox Live Silver on original Xbox
The "Pricing and subscriptions" section is misleading, it should be noted that ONLY the Xbox 360 has these options. There is no "Silver" account on the original Xbox, only paid accounts. --79.180.115.231 (talk) 17:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

How would a Silver account be treated if 'merged' to the original Xbox? darthbob 23:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Minor copy-editing: hyphenation
The current article has a sentence which reads "Sound dampened booths and broadband connected Xbox consoles - featuring an early version of Unreal Championship - demonstrated the service on the show floor."

I'd like to change "Sound dampened" to "Sound-dampened", and "broadband connected" to "broadband-connected". As it stands, the wording sounds like the sound was dampening the booths. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heavy Joke (talk • contribs)


 * ✅ Srin  ivas  13:54, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Achievements, what's they're use?
I really don't know what Achievements are useful for. Does anyone here know? Besides the fact of showing off your points accumulated.--Jackass2009 (talk) 05:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thats what they are good for. Achievements and a users Gamerscore is nothing more than that individuals personal "High Score" over time. If you complete a game it does not necessarily indicate that you have completed all aspects of the title. Thats where Achievements come in, an attempt to bridge the gap between simply finishing a game and completing all aspects of one. Does the Gamerscore section of the article need a more simplistic explanation of this? Not in my opinion. Hoovie (talk) 01:51, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Facebook/twitter/Last.fm
I have seen this being used, so why is this still in upcoming? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.23.87 (talk) 17:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Xbox Live bans accounts with modified consoles
Should this recent action by microsoft be added to the article? As it appears to effect about 1% of xbox live accounts as depending on source it seems to be ranging between 600,000 to a million users. Apparantly this crackdown follows the availability of pirate copies of modern warfare 2 which became available about a week before the official launch. This seems to be a policy change of microsoft as if i remember when Halo 3 was leaked microsoft banned accounts if they caught the game being played early. However microsoft have stated that the bans were appropriate action as modded consols breach the terms and conditions of the users policy of xbox live, whats the thought amongst eveeryone? --Delta33 (talk) 17:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I support adding a link to it so long as its credible information(source). There seems to be alot of related crack down with pirating games for the xbox and bans in other cases. Just my thoughts. Ottawa4ever (talk) 21:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Redirect from Halo: Waypoint
There is no reason why Halo: Waypoint should be re-directed here. The Halo: Waypoint is a completely seperate portal on live that applies only to those that play the Halo games (i.e. Halo 3, Halo 3: ODST and Halo Wars). Given it doesn't have much to offer yet but it will soon. It should have it's own article, not a redirect to XBOX Live.

Kilgannon2113 (talk) 21:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Removal of 'History'
That, for nearly 3 years, has been an incredible part of this entry and it was recently erased in its entirety, instead replaced with 'currently the only pay service of the consoles', which is more biting fanboyism than objective entry. TFX (talk) 00:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Vandalism which has continued for an entire week has been reverted to an extremely old revision, with updated information. I strongly recommend a page protection from IP addresses. ★ Ffgamera  ★ - My page! · Talk to me!· Contribs 06:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Creation of Halo Waypoint
I created Halo Waypoint yesterday while in school because it was dumb for it to not have a wiki when it is in itself it's own application and technically another addition to the Halo series. I also added the link to the dissambiguation. It has several functions that are worth noting. I only made a brief summary of it because I am and was at school and I don't have time. Please help me to create this in your spare time. I plan on working on it a lot after I get ungrounded this weekend. Pik upur  phat  17:34, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Zune: Gold vs Silver; Video/Music Marketplace
In the table of Gold vs Silver features, Zune is listed as "No" for the Silver-level (free) Live membership level. This is incorrect, as one does not have to have a Gold membership to purchase or rent media via Zune from their Xbox 360. Indeed, as was mentioned above, Zune has replaced Video & Music Marketplaces on Xbox Live. However, some Zune features on Xbox 360 may be available only with a Gold membership; the only example I know of is Movie Parties. Perhaps the sections on the Video and Music Marketplaces should be revised to explain the transition to Zune, with which benefits having a Gold membership entail for Zune on Xbox Live. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.174.14 (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Corruption of The Pro
"The Pro" is, contrary to popular belief, not an actual Pro. He is a CUNT. /Shepleklet

The pro is an Xbox live moderator who as of February 21, 2010 started banning and suspending people for no reason or reasons not good enough for the punishment given. Here is video proof of what The Pro does to people for no reasong at all. This is proof enough to get him fired for abusing his powers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoPqufG-jbA —Preceding unsigned comment added by talk) 21:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC) The Pro has banned people for drinking milk and teabagging his body. He has also been caught team killing in the game Modern Warfare 2, and banning the people he killed for simply asking "why did you kill me?" This needs to be stopped, The Pro needs to be banned and fired.End of —Preceding unsigned comment added by unsigned comment added by 92.232.28.29 (talk) 22:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd recommend reporting him to customer support or calling a microsoft representative directly. This guy seems like a total dick. - BlagoCorzine2016 (talk) 02:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

People later on realized he was only doing his job and left him alone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan218947 (talk • contribs) 02:53, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Xbox Live Version 1
Might interest you know that Xbox Live Version 1 (as in, Original Xbox Live) support was supposed to end at 12:01 PDT but Microsoft did not immediately end the service. The service actually ended at 01:47 GMT on 16/4/2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.19.211 (talk) 15:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Xbox Live for Xbox is still up, just not accepting new connections
Right now there are 9 people still playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live, because they never turned off their consoles and kept playing. There are news articles about them all over the Internet.--ILoveSky (T | C) 23:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Is a section on social impact/culture viable using this event as a base? --120.152.137.207 (talk) 07:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Availability misinformation
People keep adding their countries they live in to section of article as "countries that xbox Live coming into soon", but it's not true. I talk about this line (especially Brazil, Greece, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Russia and South Africa). Pakistan and Romania don't even have have their section on xbox.com forums and stite itself, wile other countries in this list have (i.e. xbox.com/ru-RU/ for Russia, xbox.com/pl-PL/ for poland etc), but Pakistan and Romania are not in this list, as well as they don't have section in Xbox Intenation Forums.

If they don't have their section on xbox.com, they don't have official support in their countries of Xbox itself, as it was in Poland in Russia before Microsoft officialy launched console only in May 2006, same month these countries were added to xbox.com and its forums.

I think this part of article must be edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lt.Saw (talk • contribs) 13:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Xbox live will ba avilable in Poland and every other countries where Xbox 360 is sold officially. Date:Autumn, no specific date http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4015/4700944014_3118a86d18_b.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.190.44.206 (talk) 19:50, 14 June 2010 (UTC) Also WeWantLive action didn't do particular anything to bring this service in those countries - this is what head of microsoft poland said —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.190.44.206 (talk) 19:53, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

FOXTEL by Xbox LIVE
This article has no section on this upcoming pay tv service to be offered in Australia by xbox live. More info here http://www.foxtel.com.au/discover/products-features/foxtel-by-xbox-live/default.htm --Otchiman (talk) 11:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Family plans coming in November
FYI : http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/22/99-xbox-live-gold-family-plan-available-this-november/ – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 71.190.230.149, 31 August 2010
editsemiprotected

The chart lists that an Xbox Live Gold subscription is required to use Zune on the Xbox 360. This is false. Xbox Live silver accounts have always been able to use the Zune video service on Xbox Live free of charge.

71.190.230.149 (talk) 05:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Very true! Not to mention, it needs the price changes added. But I'm too tired to do THAT now. ;) <font color="#990000">  ANowlin  talk  05:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from ChckMeOwt, 10 September 2010
i suggest adding a footnote to the last.fm. it offers a 3 hour trial for silver members--ChckMeOwt (talk) 06:27, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a ref to back that up? I assume you mean a 3 hour trial subscription, as their free service (which is actually useful, unlike Xbox Live Gold) is open to everyone.


 * Also, technically with those request templates you are supposed to tell us exactly what you want to change (i.e. the wording you want to use etc.). It doesn't really make that much difference this time, but bear it in mind. Sometimes the request is answered by by random people who go through the list of edit requests, who don't necessarily have enough knowledge on the subject to write it themselves.


 * <font face="century gothic"> Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 08:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Untranscluded the template. Alphathon appears to be helping with the suggestion. Celestra (talk) 15:38, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Microsoft have
The verb number in the article section "Social network integration" is incorrect (unless the intent is to refer to all of the people at Microsoft, in which case the number is wrong elsewhere in the article). Unfortunately, I am unable to edit in order to correct this. Would someone else please have a look. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LUxlii (talk • contribs) 00:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually it isn't - both "have" and "has" are accepted forms. I believe "has" (referring to the company as an entity) is generally more common in the US, while "have" (referring to the company as a group of people) is more common in the UK. AFAIK though both are accepted forms in both countries (and presumably other English speaking countries), just not used very often. I don't know if there is anything in the Manual of Style about keeping consistent, but I'll have a look (if only to satisfy my own curiosity). <font face="century gothic"> Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 00:52, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It would appear that it should be kept consistent, so ✅ Done. The section needed a re-write anyway. <font face="century gothic"> Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 01:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Differences Between Memberships
Microsoft has changed the the name of Xbox Live Silver to Xbox Live Free. http://scrawlfx.com/2010/10/xbox-live-silver-renamed-to-xbox-live-free

This should be updated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.122.131 (talk) 05:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅; thanks for the heads up. <font face="century gothic"> Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 09:12, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

What exactly is it people pay for?
Is it not relevant to write something about why exactly it is that you have to pay for xbox live gold? What Microsoft's costs are compared to competing services, if any at all. 85.8.4.68 (talk) 19:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite possibly, but it would require some pretty in-depth sources, which I'm not sure are readily available (at least not to the general public). If you can find some or know of some already, it's certainly worth pursuing. <font face="century gothic"> Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 19:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

netflix on live free
i recently purchased the xbox w/ kinect and signed up for the free 1 month subscription. Duringthat time I signed up for netflix streaming service. Since that time my gold membership expired. I have been able to keep watching netflix movies. That makes me wonder if netflix is possibly a service for the live free service as well. --24.10.211.89 (talk) 07:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you sure? The Kinect didn't come out until the 4th of November in North America (the only place you can get Netflix) so I don't see how the one moth trial could have expired already. It's possible that they removed the gold requirement, but unlikely, and we'd need a proper source to change the article anyway. <font face="century gothic"> Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 11:05, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.31.202.213, 8 December 2010
in the upcoming features section of xbox live you have uverse set top box functionality listed as a upcoming feature. It is infact a current feature of the system as of oct 15th 2010

99.31.202.213 (talk) 07:35, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done, thanks. For now I've just moved the bullet point from "upcoming features" to "current features", though ideally the ref should be replaced with something more up-to-date.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Unique numeric Xbox Live identifier?
Are there any details about unique Xbox Live identifiers (basically a long number)? Is this value a sequential number that is issued by Xbox Live upon gamertag creation, or is it mapped somehow to your gamertag? --Karigane (talk) 15:29, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

First picture on the page has an incorrect caption
The caption states "The current Xbox 360 Dashboard" the picture shows the dashboard as it was before 11/02/2011. Technically it is not current. --134.29.251.22 (talk) 02:46, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've changed the wording, a new picture should be found. Thanks. Bakkster Man (talk) 13:57, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Status
I'm not quite sure why (possibly has something to do with the PSN outage), but several editors have recently added "online" to the "status" field of the infobox. I'm not sure what that field is intended for (probably things like "shut down"), but as I see it, info such as current online status is inappropriate for an encyclopædia, at least in the form of an infobox item*. Such info can never be properly sourced (as far as I can tell) as any source is accurate only at the time of writing so cannot possibly reflect the current state. The only exception to this is if MS has a part of xbox.com that states what the online status is. If that is the case, might I suggest adding a link to that page, rather than claiming "online" or "offline" based on it as a source, as the link is not stating one way or another whether it is online or not (while a statement such as "online" does).

* to say "it was shut down at time X" or whatever is fine, but to claim to represent the current status is simply dishonest.

Please discuss further at Template talk:Infobox video game online service instead of here so as to get a broader consensus on the subject (this effects multiple pages).

<font face="sans-serif"> Alphathon  /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ( talk ) 17:21, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

ZDF Mediathek
The app "ZDF Mediathek" is now available in Germany (only). It's a TV streaming platform, works with a silver membership and does not require any subscription. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.33.49 (talk) 12:23, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Y Done <font face="sans-serif"> Alphathon  <span title="Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)" class="IPA">/'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 20:49, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Unauthorized Access handling time
The article states that an unauthorzied access investigation takes about 25 days, this is not correct anymore. The new avarage handling time sits at up to 3 days and has been for a few month now, so i think it justifies an update in the last section of the article. greets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.189.241.36 (talk) 16:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 June 2012
Category:Video game terminology

ABunnell (talk) 00:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Article is about a game, not a term, so this isn't an apt category for it. —C.Fred (talk) 00:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 October 2012
I would like the link change for countries with Xbox live the Microsoft one and change with this link http://www.xbox.com/en-GB/live/countries please

86.139.246.133 (talk) 16:46, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Y Done <font face="sans-serif"> Alphathon    ( talk ) 21:25, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Microsoft accidentally banning accounts
Should we perhaps mention this oopsie in the article? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2011/09/xbox_console.html I assume that it will meet all of the criteria because it is from Watchdog which are a well known side section of the BBC. I Googled 'Xbox Support' and this report caught my eye. MIVP - Allow us to be of assistance to you. (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 12:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems to me to be a tempest in a really small teapot. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

free voice chat but no multiplayer?
why the table list voice chat as available for live free, even if multiplayer is not available? does not make much sense since multiplayer is a requirement for voice chat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.179.129 (talk) 06:52, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
 * There is a voice chat function that is unrelated to multiplayer. If you have a 360, it works something like this: Find your friend in your list, send them an invite to voice chat from their menu. Done. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 13:25, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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Is this really important and could anyone explain why? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 03:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We should talk about the possible compensation or lack of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.12.180 (talk) 08:20, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I asked why the outage information is important. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 15:46, 14 March 2016 (UTC)