Talk:Xeno (series)

Xenosaga Frontier and Xenosaga Exceed
Originally, I created a "cancelled titles" subsection, but then removed it. There were 2 titles that were always assumed to be cancelled that were called Xenosaga:Frontier and Xenosaga:Exceed. However, upon research, I realized that Monolith Soft put out 2 games with the subtitles Endless Frontier and Endless Frontier Exceed. These two game were in fact released, and featured cameos by Xenosaga characters Kos-mos and Momo. Were these really cancelled Xenosaga games, or were they released in their intended form as unrelated games with Xeno cameos?

Has this ever been clarified? Sergecross73  msg me   19:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I was looking over the series and was just thinking of this, not realizing I had the exact same thought almost 3 years ago. I assume this means we don't know... Sergecross73   msg me  20:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

It's fan-fiction
Xenoblade and X for Wii U has nothing to do with the Xeno-series. The title ist just a symbol and came from Nintendo to honor Takahshi. It's first name was Monado.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/02/17/xenoblade-detailed

Quote: ''Let's get some misconceptions out of the way first. '''Xenoblade may have "Xeno" in the title. It may be coming from Monolith Software. But It's not a new entry in the Xenosaga series.'''

The game's director, Tetsuya Takahashi clears any sort of confusion over the "Xeno" name in a lengthy interview in this week's Famitsu. The Xeno name, he said, should be taken as just a symbol, placed there as some sort of common point with Monolith's past works. Xenoblade is a completely new game, with a new world setting.''
 * Please, read what the article actually says, and check the sources, especially the one from Wired interviewing the president of Nintendo. Sergecross73   msg me   16:36, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Naming issue
Should this really be described as a series? It's not even a franchise. I don't know what word SHOULD be used, but I don't think it's "series." 68.235.179.47 (talk) 21:21, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It comes from a direct quote from the president of Nintendo, so yes. See http://www.wired.com/2010/01/the-last-story-wii/ Sergecross73   msg me  21:41, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * President Iwata's statement from the January 2010 Financial Briefing does not prove that there is such as thing as a "Xeno series", as the word "series" can be singular or plural. It is possible that he conflated the names of the games as a verbal shorthand, and did not mean they were all one series. Furthermore, his briefing was directed at shareholders, many of whom have little knowledge of videogames (at one point Iwata even said "If you are familiar with videogames...") and are only interested in the company's financial outlook; he may have conflated the names and omitted details so investors would think Xenoblade was part of a larger series which would ensure its popularity. Downbelow (talk) 01:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Who he was talking to, whether it was investors or his pet hamster, is irrelevant - what's important is he said it, and it was documented by a reliable source - a long-term tech website/publication. As far as the rest of what you're saying, you'll have to explain further, as I don't follow. I don't follow your alternative theory of what he would have been saying. Sergecross73   msg me  01:19, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Whom he was talking to is very relevant. Many in his audience neither knew or cared about videogames except as a source of revenue. He would not bother to discuss canon with such an audience, so his statement cannot be taken as canonical evidence, particularly since he did not stop to explain what he meant by "Xeno series" -- he could have meant "Xenosaga series", or "Xenogears and Xenosaga series". He neither said nor implied that Xenoblade is part of a series.
 * As for my alternative theory, what I meant is that he might have been intentionally ambiguous so that the less-savvy shareholders could wrongly assume that Xenoblade was part of an existing series, which in their minds would mean higher odds of financial success. Downbelow (talk) 04:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The idea that Iwata would be making stuff up to deceive people is pure conjecture. We say what reliable sources say, and they do not seem to think he is lying here. And I don't understand what you mean with "canon" - it's about media franchises, not in-universe connections between titles within that franchise. It's like how Final Fantasy games aren't directly related to each other in terms of their stories, but still are part of the same franchise.--IDVtalk 04:41, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly this. Downbelow, your entire idea is entirely speculative and original research - not useable on Wikipedia - unless you've got reliable sources directly state your point. Wikipedia doesn't care about "canon" or speculation, just sources. Sergecross73   msg me  05:04, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Source

 * http://betweenlifeandgames.com/analyses/history-xenogears-xenosaga-part-1-xenogears/ An extremely in-depth article about the history of the series. Sergecross73   msg me  20:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Fascinating read, but probably not a usable source for a multitude of reasons. (Its just a random blog run by a random guy, and the source material itself comes from Gamefaqs.) Additionally, while fascinating, there's a ton of original research and guesswork done with the writing. Still, it could be good read for those looking for ideas, especially for all the other sources the author cites. (Those sources could be hunted down and used, though some of its reference notes are kind of vague, just being things like "Xenogears Team Interview, 1998" type stuff.) Sergecross73   msg me  17:44, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Future source

 * http://www.gamereactor.eu/articles/368023/Tetsuya+Takahashi+Talks+Xenoblade+Chronicles+X/ Sergecross73   msg me  23:13, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

"Xeno" is not a series
I would like to discuss something that has been on my mind regarding this page for some time.

"Xeno" is not one franchise - it's three. Xenogears, Xenosaga, and Xenoblade. I believe it would improve the article if it was split into three. It is owned by three different companies. Nintendo owns Monolith Soft and Xenoblade, but it does not own Xenogears and Xenosaga. In fact, Xenoblade was supposed to be named "Monado: Beginning of the World" until very late in development when Satoru Iwata suggested the name Xenoblade to honor Takahashi's past works. The game itself does not have any connection to Xenogears or Xenosaga whatsoever beyond that, and it is likely that Takahashi's games will all be named Xenoblade from here on out as Nintendo is trying to make it a strong brand.

My point is that having all three under one article is confusing. Xenoblade and Xenoblade X should be considered their own thing. Other than having the same creator, the games have nothing to do with each other. It would be like having a single article for both Mario and Zelda just because Miyamoto created both. I don't think it's ideal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamester123 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
 * See some of the prior discussions above. Many sources, including Satoru Iwata himself, call it collectively a series. "Splitting into 3" is also not an option, as the guidelines say that there needs to be at least three entries in a series to warrant a separate series article. There's only one Xenogears title, and only two Xenoblade titles. (And Xenosaga already has a series article.) Sergecross73   msg me  13:54, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Updated Sales issue
The sales for Xenoblade 2 have gone up to 1.51 million units but there is a problem. The source of this is Nintendo's top selling page which gets changed regularly. I'm certain Xenoblade 2 will be kicked off when Smash Bros starts charting thus these numbers will be lost (Xenoblade 2 no longer shows up in the IR reports in that those only count games that sell over a million units for that particular year, not collectively)

I'm thinking an archive of some sort or wayback machine may be necessary.

Unrelated but I think the guys above claiming that "there is no Xeno-series" probably come from the Fandom page. I've seen them jump through silly hoops because Saga and Gears are "Trash that ruins the purity of Xenoblade". It's best ignored, especially when new Xenoblade lore is literally using stuff from Saga and Gears now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:DD00:39D0:AD2F:436:778E:2E37 (talk) 03:54, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Xeno series source

 * https://www.polygon.com/features/2018/3/5/17058874/xenogears-xenosaga-history-tetsuya-takahashi-auteur-creators-in-games - Another reliable sources that collectively calls it the Xeno series. Figured I’d list it here for future use, whether it be in the article, or just to counter naysayers. Sergecross73   msg me  03:15, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, nice to have! Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:41, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I honestly thought I was being ridiculous with this, as no one has challenged this for years, but an editor started trying to deny it just today, so I guess it’s good to pile on another source for this. Sergecross73   msg me  01:59, 29 May 2020 (UTC)