Talk:Xenochrony

I'd like to see a reference of two here
I'd like to see a reference of two here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.43.226.11 (talk) 07:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Standing on its own
I believe Xenochrony is a decent article to stand on its own in documenting a point in the history of musique concrète. It is somewhat obscure, considering Frank Zappa made up the term to describe a process he was using for his own work and that the term is otherwise unused, even to describe music that uses a similar process. For instance, George Martin, regardless of his influence, probably does not use the term Xenochrony to describe the use of the Taxman guitar solo over Drive My Car on the Beatles' Love album. Still, that is a very specific example of a process which producers have used, regardless of whether they were influenced by Zappa or bothered to call it by Zappa's term Xenochrony.

Xenochrony, however, merits its own article over similar concepts because it is unique to Frank Zappa's work in musical style and execution and because it has historical significance in the understanding of his work. This is similar the way a Homeric epithet is an independent concept from an epithet, because it applies quite specifically to the work of its creator, Homer (and note that they have different articles). Xenochrony is different from sampling, in that samples use smaller portions of a song, such as a riff or break, and then repeat the sample rhythmically to create a portion of a new piece. Xenochrony is independent of a mash-up, which attempts to merge two different musical works through the assembly of a majority of the musical elements from each piece such that both are recognizable during playback. In Xenochrony, the original derived work from which Zappa extracted his solos is unrecognizable, seeing as the only element retained is the solo, which may or may not follow the same chord progressions or rhythm.

Xenochrony may not be an influential technique and mostly apply to Zappa, but it serves as an independent article because, as an independent concept, it allows us to approach Zappa's body of work. This is similar to Frippertronics, a technique used really only by guitarist Robert Fripp, who invented and named the technique. Both merit articles because both can be described in greater detail when described independently of their creator's articles.

129.116.50.137 (talk) 18:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

"Frippertronics, a technique used really only by guitarist Robert Fripp, who invented and named the technique"

Boy, does somebody need to do a little homework... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.199.155 (talk) 23:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Xenochrony really has nothing to do with remixing and much more to do with Aleatoric music. It really shows Cage's influence on Zappa's music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.92.4 (talk) 03:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

The Stone Roses
What about the Stone Roses? Their "Don't Stop" and the less well known "Geurnica" are songs built on backwards recordings of other songs (Waterfall and "Made of Stone" respectively) with lyrics tailored to sound like the lyrics of the previous song reversed. This seems like quite a radical extension of the technique discussed here.

Should they be in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.187.148 (talk) 14:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

No, that should go in the "talentless, dopehead wankers" article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.138.199.155 (talk) 23:52, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Relation to Sampling
While perhaps not the same thing, this phenomenon seems to relate to the broader concept of sampling. Discussion of comparison/contrast would be helpful in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C63:667F:D698:D929:5DE0:6830:72F8 (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

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It's a bit of a stretch
Many of the examples cited in the article really push the concept of xenochrony a bit far to me. For example, when "The Sound of Silence" is sampled briefly in "Save the Life of My Child", the music is not so much interacting in a way that makes for a new musical object or creation. It's brief and really functions more as a sample. In Zappa's application of the method, he took (for example) a guitar solo from one song and put it over top of a different song and created something unexpected and new sounding, and to the unaware listener might just sound like an oddly played guitar solo.

My two cents. (Tips hat and strides away.)

24.108.155.196 (talk) 02:25, 12 October 2019 (UTC)