Talk:Xenophobia/Archive 1

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Heavy bias towards globalism. "The *insert BS organisation here* strongly urges governments to persecute any individual expressing a sense of national pride or identity"

Who the F wrote this article? Isn't wikipedia meant to represent a neutral viewpoint?

Xenharmonic (talk) 00:14, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you are talking about. I cannot find *insert BS organisation here* or "strongly urges governments" in this article. Please explain more clearly how you would like to change this article.  Lova Falk     talk   10:54, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Totally undeveloped article
This article is not even 1/2 done.--Inayity (talk) 11:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Now I see why the article is a skeleton, because when you start to research and add content everything is deleted. --Inayity (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Simply noting a newspaper article that happens to concern xenophobia in itself adds nothing to the explication of the subject of the article. Mutt Lunker (talk) 13:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Listing recent examples of something is of little value on Wikipedia, because in a few weeks or months the example will no longer be recent. Unless there is some other reason to pay attention to this particular example, there is no reason to include it over the vast number of other examples in all of recorded history. Encyclopedia articles should be written to last over a span of years, not weeks. If you want to list examples, list the best examples, not the ones that happen to be most recent at the time you are writing.--Srleffler (talk) 05:26, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Clarity
It is unclear in this article whether the subject refers to a pseudo-medical condition involving fear for foreigners, or a political belief that is opposed to immigration. It should be made clear that anti-immigration policy or perspective is not necessarily xenophobic, nor are all xenophobes necessarily opposed to immigration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.188.192 (talk) 21:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Where do you get "pseudo-medical" from? Not every term ending in -phobia refers to a medical condition (witness homophobia and transphobia). As far as this is a psychological issue, it is one of social psychology. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:53, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

It is now, under the shadow of mass immigration, ideologically charged word. I see lots of wiki-fights. Already entry, consisting words "unreasonable" and "irrational", is removed. Can the meaning of the word be so dynamic, and change in the very short time-span, regarding the prevalent political situation?

Fear of Aliens
Hey, what about xenophobia as a fear of aliens/extraterrestrials? (Xeno refers to alien) Why is there no mention of that? Why is it all about racism and shit. Aurora sword (talk) 22:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you have reliable sources to support your argument that xenophobia is the fear of extraterrestrials? I think 'alien' in this case refers to a stranger, like "illegal alien."   MediaKill13   (  talk  )   05:02, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

The "fear of aliens" part of it is referred as "fear of people not of residence in your country" a·li·en ˈālēən/Submit noun plural noun: aliens a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living. "an illegal alien" synonyms:	foreigner, nonnative, immigrant, emigrant, émigré "an illegal alien" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliet1985 (talk • contribs) 04:24, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Etymology of Xenophobia
This article is being used as evidence for the history of the word xenophobia. This is not an ancient Greek term, but is cited here due to an unsourced claim in Frederickson. While the book may be good on its main subject matter (racism), its purpose is not primarily a study of the origin of the word, and I suspect this is a throwaway comment or misunderstanding on his part. I'm trying to find a decent source (Etymonline's source appears to have confused it with Kenophobia), but please don't restore this unless you can identify Frederickson's source. Ms7821 (talk) 15:50, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hello there Ms7821. I don't know why you're removing the claim that xenophobia comes from Ancient Greek, especially when you don't have a source of your own to show where the word originates. Furthermore, multiple sources affirm that xenophobia did in fact originate from Ancient Greek, including Merriam Webster and Vocabulary.com. This is also attested in the "definitions" section of the article which cites the Oxford Standard English Dictionary. Unless you can find a source that disproves this, I'm afraid I'll have to restore the claim.   MediaKill13   (  talk  )   13:10, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Please stop reverting the change: you've misunderstood the sources you're citing. The parts xeno- and -phobia are both ancient Greek in origin, but both sources state that the word xenophobia itself isn't found before 1903, and then only in medical Latin. This is the case for almost all -phobia terms - from a quick search only hydrophobia goes back further, to 2nd century AD. It's a common misunderstanding (Frederickson made it), but it's not backed by authoritative sources. Ms7821 (talk) 22:19, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ms7821, I apologise for the revert, I hadn't clearly understood what you mean. Sorry . I thought you meant that the word has no relation to Ancient Greek. Anyway, I'll remove it if that's okay, since it's already been established in the "definitions" section anyway, plus, it's not very important to the article. Again, I apologise for the misunderstanding. Regards,   MediaKill13   (  talk  )   22:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks! Unfortunately, I don't currently have OED access, but when I get it I'll see what it says and update here. Ms7821 (talk) 22:54, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

xenofobia etymolgy! 1903- France- Anatol France.
the word "xenophobia", invented, built by the French writer Anatol France in 1903 in one of his novels. The word "xenophobia" is not 'never existed in the greek vocabulary. You can check whether in a old library pick up a vocabulary of a greek 1910-1920. Does not exist. Anatol France took 2 single Greek words. separate. He has added together, united, and invented this word in 1903. Etymology of the word xenophobia. That 's the true story of "xenophobia", when and who invented it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.101.0.30 (talk) 15:10, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

about etiymology "xenofobia" Story research.
I invite, administrators of wikipedia, the "Xenophobia" ... to verify what I have written here, going in person in a paper library, before the digital Internet. Picking up on a table vocabularies (of 1880 greek card !!); 1910; 1920. And you'll see that does not exist. (!) It 's not a Greek word. If we take inmano the 12 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica 1990 (always before the age of the internet) you'll see that there is the word xenophobia. Now that's what I wrote you will see to be true. Test in a public paper library. (!) Thus, once solved the riddle of who invented the word, opens a second question to those who have reason. the second question and 'why' Anatol France has invented a word did not exist before, and has entered into a novel written in French? Why he did not invent a new French word combining two French words? Here's the question! He Anatol France has decided to use two Greek words and not two French words to invent this new word. Now I repeat. The question number 2! 'Cause he did it? Because he wanted to invent a word that did not exist in greek, and that all the millennial Greek cultural history has never felt the need to invent? I here invite administrators to wikipedia and experts to include two chapters. 1) Etymology and 2) Why 'which causes, pushed Anatol France invented this word? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.101.0.30 (talk) 15:27, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Request merge/redirect Cultural racism into this article
That article was AfDed in 2012, but not it exists again. That is a highly NPOV title to something that has the scientific term of xenophobia. Nergaal (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

"Refugees Spreading Disease"
Just sayin' - John's right: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGq6cjcc3Q?t=10m37s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.21.54.55 (talk) 05:43, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
 * For reference, the linked video mentions this article at an earlier time.

It feels a little ironic that a video about xenophobia seems to be geo-blocked — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.242.65 (talk) 14:04, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Examples added to manifestations that have been removed
I added the following 2 examples to manifestations they were both removed with the explanation of "this purely implies an opinion given the page that the content is added to.":

I added under a new heading:

''=== North America ===

==== United States of America ====

''In 2017 after Donald Trump took presidential office he repeatedly attempted to enact a travel ban on originally seven later changed to six Muslim-majority countries. The original seven were Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Syria and Libya although later "Iraq was removed from the list after criticism that the original order overlooked the country’s role in fighting terrorism and barred entry even to the Iraqi interpreters who had been embedded with US forces in the region."''

By definition this is an example as "Xenophobia is the fear and distrust of that which is perceived to be foreign" (for example foreign countries like Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Syria and Libya). This show fear as terrorism is generally sighted as the motivation for the ban (terrorism is based on fear) it also shows distrust as the president is showing a lack of trust in these countries security screenings and/or governments. "suspicion of its activities" also falls within this.

and I also added under Australia in manifestations:

For political examples of xenophobia in Australia see Pauline Hanson's One Nation although there are other parties which have xenophobic leanings this is probably the most obvious and largest.

The linked wikipedia page on one nation aptly describes them as "Condemning multiculturalism as a "threat to the very basis of the Australian culture, identity and shared values", One Nation rallied against liberal government immigration and multicultural policies which, it argued, were leading to "the Asianisation of Australia.""

These were both removed after a few hours if there is anything wrong with these as examples of manifestations I'm happy to listen and fine-tune or modify them otherwise I'm just going to readd them (I posted this discussion article at 14:00UTC on 1/Aug/2017 if I hear no response I will assume my clarification is adequate and repost in 48 hours (14:00UTC 3/Aug/2017)).

Any Advice on changes etc. would be greatly appreciated so please add it below.

Advice:

- The Trump example as xenophobia is should be labeled  as "neutrality under question" as only left leaning organization sources are used see below

- As it stands it looks left biased. Only sources from very left learning organizations are used. CNN has been accused of being very against Trump and conservatives by center and right see for example CNN controversies under Conflict with Trump administration. The Guardian is very left leaning also. And Amnesty International has been publicly accused of being anti western culture see Amnesty International Criticism and Controversies. For the sake of neutrality I recommend adding viewpoints of right and center organizations and people not just only left anti Trump or anti American organizations.

- NOTE that regardless if you agree or not with what people say against CNN or what people say against Trump we are required to stay neutral in this matter and best way to achieve that is to include multiple viewpoints from all political sides and since only left leaning sources are used I have added a POV see below

- I have added a POV section please do not remove until we discuss how to improve this article to include all opinions regarding this matter.

I found this http://www.ibtimes.com/trump-travel-ban-are-xenophobic-americans-attitudes-changing-over-time-2483803 which is from the International Business Times which seems to be regarded as neutral should I add it or just wait?


 * Comment: I'm not sure whether this discussion should be closed since no one seems to be responding. I think it should be added though, although I think it would be better to try and find more sources that identify this as xenophobic behaviour, and of course observe neutrality by describing this as the source's position, not Wikipedia's.   MediaKill13   (  talk  )   01:28, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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Medical and geopolitical reasons missing
I am missing the section Causes here. I suspect it is partly due the fear of contagion or invasion from migrants, etc: if as a member of a community you were not xenophobic enough, you died. See Health in Migration, Epidemics and such. Zezen (talk) 13:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Difference between xenophobia and racism
This article inappropriately conflates xenophobia and racism throughout. The two are similar, but differ in important ways that have been missed or ignored. The second paragraph of the article explains it well: "According to UNESCO, the terms xenophobia and racism often overlap, but differ in how the latter encompasses prejudice based on physical characteristics while the former is generally centered on behavior based on the notion of a specified people being adverse to the culture or nation."

Unfortunately much of the article assumes that all racism is xenophobia while ignoring non-racial xenophobia. This could use major clean-up. Paisarepa (talk) 01:03, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I removed about India which was all about hatred towards Muslims (better covered on Islamophobia in India) and also removed Zimbabwe which was only about hatred towards White people who are residing for decades in Zimbabwe. These examples really don't meet the definition of "xenophobia". 27.57.167.68 (talk) 14:51, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Causes missing, and user:Generalrelative keeps deleting my evolutionary explanations, even though they are also present in the German version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xenophobia&oldid=1018038106#Evolutionary_Explanations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abacus1997 (talk • contribs) 00:19, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Discrimination based on nationality into Xenophobia
Discrimination based on nationality primarily covers examples of xenophobia, and can be integrated with the Europe and United States subsections here. Joofjoof (talk) 01:10, 30 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose Xenophobia is defined here as "fear or hatred of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange". Discrimination by nationality does not require either fear or hatred only discriminatory treatment. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  01:23, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The former article has a pretty clearly-defined scope in terms of the legality of discrimination based on nationality. Xenophobia, rather, is a cultural manifestation. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:56, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose completely different things with completely different scope per above Dronebogus (talk) 02:50, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose the anti arguments above are compelling. Rjensen (talk) 04:26, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment for context This article is being used as the summary article for the Template:Discrimination sidebar, where it is the parent topic of things like Anti-Chinese sentiment. Per leakycauldron's comment, these child articles contain both legal and cultural forms of discrimination. Joofjoof (talk) 09:37, 13 July 2022 (UTC)