Talk:Yên Bái mutiny

Mutiny or uprising?
Vietnamese sources call it an uprising, and so does Encyclopedia Britannica. DHN (talk) 02:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The books I used listed at the bottom used a mutiny. A mutiny is a form of uprising is it not?  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 02:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess it's a matter of POV. Mutiny seems to have a negative connotation while uprising does not. DHN (talk) 03:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * History of Vietnam says Khởi Nghiã Yên Bái (The Yen Bai Uprising), the history of VNQDD calls it "Tổng Khởi Nghĩa Yên Bái" (The Yen Bai General Uprising). "General Uprising" because the attack was launched in a number of provinces in the North Vietnam, not just in Yen Bai. The name "Yen Bai" was used in order to mourn and to honor 13 people, including the leader Nguyen Thai Hoc, who were executed at Yen Bai on June 17, 1930. The translation of "Yen Bai Munity" does not truly reflect the history of Vietnam and the history of VNQDD, and therefore must be replaced.--Trinhbaongoc (talk) 01:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Defition of Munity:Open rebellion against constituted authority, especially rebellion of sailors against superior officers.
 * Was the French colonial regime constituted? No. The French used armed force to attack Vietnam and some kings of the Nguyen dynasty were forced to sign some sort of agreements involuntarily. The French colonial government was never constituted, simply, no people would want to make a constitution that will turn themselves into slaves.
 * The definition of "munity" explicitly says that "sailors" are rebellion. The fact is that none of those soldiers who involved in the attack were sailor. --Trinhbaongoc (talk) 03:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


 * WP:NOR. The books call it a mutiny. The soldiers signed up to serve the French Army, so they are obliged to follow their officers' orders. Killing their officers obviously is mutiny.  YellowMonkey  ( click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model! '') 03:45, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What books, who wrote them, how many books call it munity? Some books can change the history of a nation?

Try google search on "Yen Bai Munity" vs. "Yen Bai Uprising". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trinhbaongoc (talk • contribs) 03:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's only a matter of words. Why so serious?. Moreover, this event hadn't got enough civilian supports (the participant only a few sodiers and party members) to become an uprising (an act of opposition, sometimes using violence, by many people in one area of a country against those who are in power). In conclusion, I will support "mutiny" until you prove that it has a large civilian support.
 * I can read both English and Vietnamese, so you can use Vietnamese if you want.--Amore Mio (talk) 12:44, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Uprising force
The Yên Bái mutiny was an uprising on 10 February 1930 by Vietnamese soldiers in the French colonial army's garrison in Yen Bai, sponsored by the Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang (VNQDD) The above statement is not true. The uprising force was combined of students, teachers, intellectuals, workers, farmers and some Vietnamese soldiers of the French colonial's army. History of Vietnam named it "general uprising" and was organized (instead of sponsored) by VNQDD. Fact: Nguyen Nhu Lien (student), Bui Tu Toan (farmer), Ha Van Lao (construction worker), etc. were among those 13 heros executed at Yen Bai on June 17th, 1930. Trinh Bao Ngoc
 * Please provide reliable and third-party source(s) that support your claims.--Amore Mio (talk) 03:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

About the bibliography
Which book does 'Luong' refer to ? I mean : what does it stand for ? The name does not appear in the bibliography... I have an idea but I want to be sure. I try to translate the article in french. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rflock (talk • contribs) 13:09, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

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(to fix double redirect)- (t)  Josve05a  (c)  21:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess you are referring to Yen Bai Uprising? ✅ &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:45, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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