Talk:Y-DNA haplogroups by ethnic group

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Requests
Outdated linguistical and logical nonsense canclled. However, the double and threefold lines for many groups (e.g., Finns) urgently needs clarification. Thank You.2A02:8108:9640:AC3:7C16:FE07:36BA:BFA2 (talk) 05:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Printing/Export
Dumping a PDF does not capture the width of this article, and,for whatever reason, trying to print this fails every time. FF10 just freezes up or it's the print queue telling me there are 12,000+ pages to print. Some character is not liked. Just enquiring whether anyone else finds this, and whether the PDF export can be fixed somehow. 124.180.4.103 (talk) 08:07, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Renaming proposal
Interested/knowledgeable parties, please see Talk:Y-chromosome haplogroups by populations for a renaming proposal that would affect this article and 10 others. Please comment over there to keep the discussion centralized. Thanks. - dcljr (talk) 00:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Iyengar
Iyengars do not speak a Dravidian language. They are spread across Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu, and they speak a highly sanksritized version of the local language. I would suggest changing their language to IE (Indic). Probably the same with Iyers too, but I'm not too sure on that point. 122.183.251.2 (talk) 04:16, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * But friend these "local languages" are from Dravidian language family.--Hindust@ni''क्या करें? बातें! 07:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Table readability re column borders
I notice that while the columns are divided by either thick or by thin borders, the placement of the thick borders often split in-between the "n" and the haplogroup that goes with the n. Using 1 vertical bar for a thin and a pound-mark (#) for thick, (and using color to denote column pairs to help with readability of this representation) the current header begins the n/haplogroup pairs as

n | R1b | n | R1a | n # i # n | E1b1b | n | E1b1a | n # J. However, the thin/thick should, instead, go

n | R1b | n | R1a # n | i # n | E1b1b | n | E1b1a # n | J , thereby not splitting a haplogroup column from its n column.

— al-Shimoni  (talk) 18:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * is there any need in multiple "n" columns? Table is wide enough, it is logical to combine duplicate values in one column.·Carn !? 15:25, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Reference errors
I fixed a number of reference errors. The name collision for the two Zalloua et al. (2008) references needs someone who knows the topic to follow up on the tags, though. Paradoctor (talk) 17:22, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Systemic bias tag
There are at least two serious, interrelated problems with this article:


 * 1) a lack of figures for the major haplogroups/subclades in East Asia, South Asia, Africa, the Americas or Oceania, including haplogroups A, B, C, D, K, M, O, P, Q, and S


 * 1) the focus on haplogroups typical of West Eurasian/Caucasoid ethnicities means that when non-Caucasoid ethnicities are mentioned, it is only in terms of how much E, G, I, J, N or R they possess.

The above features would also tend to lead a lay reader, lacking knowledge about the subject, to, for example: In essence the article amounts to a table that is hardly broader in scope than, and effectively duplicates, Y-DNA haplogroups in European populations. It would be more accurately titled Y-DNA haplogroups E, G, I, J, N and R by population.
 * draw some very strange conclusions about the few non-West Eurasian, non-Caucasoid ethnicities covered, because the major haplogroups found them are missing – e.g. Mongolians and Kazakhs are listed ... without Haplogroup C-M130!
 * assume that haplogroups A, B, C, D, K, M, O, P, Q, and S are not found at all amongst West Eurasian/Caucasoid populations
 * have no knowledge of the most populous modern Y-DNA haplogroups/subclades of all, such as Haplogroup O-M122.

Grant &#124;  Talk  06:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * As to the above - If someone recognizes these changes that should be made, why not write an addendum to the main article explaining the limitations of the data there instead of putting a selection bias tag on the article without explanation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjm2052 (talk • contribs) 04:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Jjm, the explanation is in the tag: "In particular, there may be a strong bias in favor of European haplogroups."


 * I wouldn't know what kind of "addendum" (or predendum) to write, because as I said above, it's hard to get a grip on what the article is about. It certainly isn't the worldwide view suggested by the unqualified title "Y-DNA haplogroups by ethnic group", because the table omits the most populous of them: Haplogroup O – not to mention other populous haplogroups, like A, B, C, D, and Q.


 * It lists many non-European populations in addition to European ones, but appears to be concerned only with the major European Y-DNA haplogroups, i.e. E, G, I, J, N and R.


 * It's difficult to conceive how this apparent "cherry picking" has even happened, since any research into (say) East Asian or African population genetics would not omit Haplogroup O (Y-DNA) or Haplogroup A (Y-DNA) respectively.


 * Grant &#124;  Talk  12:24, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

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No Serbs from Macedonia, Montenegro, Croatia...?
Why there are no data on Serbs living in The Balkans? Why there are no average numbers? Why it's so bad represented? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:6067:3400:C518:5BF6:9067:753E (talk) 14:11, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

European Bias
Majoirty of these haplogroups are in favor of european ethnic groups with no regard to african ones such as Ethiopians and Somalis 2603:8080:B402:9037:9D5:A43B:E8E6:9814 (talk) 04:07, 5 August 2023 (UTC)