Talk:Y: The Last Man/Archive 1

60 issues
Y: The Last Man - only 60 issues? Where is this info coming from? Dyslexic agnostic 20:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh. Dyslexic agnostic 08:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

i beleive it has been stated in inter views and from BKV's website - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weaponbb7 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 15 February 2007 ~

Story arcs
So we have all these story arcs... why? Can this go to a seperate page, or be consolidated? Thoughts? I know BS22 loves describing each page. Dyslexic agnostic 03:55, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Heres' a shooker Keep on one article !--Brown Shoes22 05:01, 9 December 2005 (UTC)


 * WHAT?! This from the guy who created Ultimate Fantastic Four (story arcs)? P.S. Go tell Ron at Leading Comics that you're the Brown Shoes22 Frank (that's me) mentioned. Dyslexic agnostic 07:41, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Of thair is going to be a new article for the Story arcs clean up the section and add more detell Story Summaries like a paragraph or two. Of not Keep on one article --Brown Shoes22 19:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't know about previous comic articles, but I vote we keep the story-arcs where they are. It's a limited series with a finite story. They should stay with the article. Cybertooth85 05:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep them in the article. --Awiseman 00:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

The previous comics articles were about ongoing series--Brown Shoes22 15:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

can we remove the tag so?
Stellatomailing 14:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Quick Question
Is it just me, or did the cover art for "Motherland" change? I could have sworn it was not the two women on the cover, but instead was a really interesting picture of Ampersand reaching out to our protagonist and someone else, forming a "Y" Is this correct? And why is "Motherland" not mentioned on the main page? - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.181.247.131 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 9 May 2007

Your either thinking girl on girl or Kimono Dragons or it might be a collectors variant like the walking dead where it first has a couple of zombies and one of the zombies in a color and another with a red holographic-foiled face on it-Change is coming and potter should have died I might be Trolled and I just don&#39;t care 05:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Date needed!
This article needs to include, in the first paragraph, the date (at least the year) of first publication of the first issue. Softlavender (talk) 06:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

from 2005
Y: The Last Man now has an IMDB page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.114.243 (talk) 17:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

kill alive: what does this mean? Andres 08:22, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Y: The Last Man Vol. 9: Motherland
Can someone confirm one of these sources:

dccomics.com : "This volume ... collects issues #49-53!"

comicbookdb.com : "Reprints/Collects: Y: The Last Man (2002) #49 ... #54" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.189.6.80 (talk) 21:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

It's until issue #54. I just reread Motherland to bring myself up to speed with the storyline. LordNAg (talk) 04:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Is Y a limited series?
I've suggested that the current definition of a limited series be changed so as to include series like Y: The Last Man where the writer anounced that the series would have a limited run after it had begun. I'd appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this subject at Talk:List of limited series

Thanks,

Iron Ghost 00:29, 23 January 2006 (UTC) it has been reffered to as an Finite Series as oposed to infinte~ - —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weaponbb7 (talk • contribs) 16:42, 15 February 2007

Sooner or later every series is finite. Duggy 1138 (talk) 07:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

trivia section
I'd like to mention a clever allusion the writer's make to an earlier s.f. story on the same theme, but I don't know quite where it would fit. Should I just start a "trivia" heading? --Zaklog 17:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A trivia section is a wild. Trivia sections--Brown Shoes22 (talk) 18:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Only add it if you can find a reliable source that the author's intention was to add the allusion. Otherwise it's nothing more than original research. ~ QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 18:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Numbering
Just made a small edit concerning the numbering in the Storyline section, but the images had to be moved a little Yhave (talk) 21:08, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Kaguya - a little help please
I am not experienced editting fiction related articles so I was wondering if there was some appropriate way to add a sidebar item to the page? The premise that extinction of all males would wipe out the species was fairly successfully challenged by this experiment in 2004 which succeeded in creating Kaguya, a new mouse (not a clone) from two female mouse eggs. The relevance to this article is that the storyline is effectively based on a false premise ... if only women were left you could be certain that every science lab in the world would be working to perfect this reproductive technique as well as look for others. -- Low Sea (talk) 08:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wasn't this covered in the series? Science was blamed for the problem and thus avoided?  I don't really think that it was the premise at all anyway. Duggy 1138 (talk) 02:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

summary
The summaries don't make much sense to someone who hasn't read the comic. They read like "teasers", telling you that "the secret will be revealed", and stuff. That's not very encyclopedic. Just tell us what's going on, in straightforward prose. Don't worry about spoilers, It's an encyclopedia, and MUST contain spoilers.--24.86.252.26 05:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I already added how 355 dies if it makes you happy--Change is coming and potter should have died I might be Trolled and I just don&#39;t care 05:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It doesn't make anyone happy! I almost cried when I read that issue. :*( (Momus (talk) 04:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC))

Eisner
No mention of the Eisner awards won is a shame. 75.22.26.30 (talk) 06:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Covers
It is worth mentioning that on the cover of every issue there is a Y hidden somewhere. In the later issues it becomes more apparent when looking at the cover. 99.240.144.112 (talk) 02:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism?
Hi, I couldn't find anything on this matter and I don't want to falsely accuse the author, so I ask here. Has anyone any idea if this comic was in any way based on the 1993 Argentinian book 'Anatomía Humana' by Carlos Chernov? The main story in that book is the same (almost all the men in the world die) and the main character is also a magician. From there on the stories are pretty different, but it is odd to assume that those similarities are nothing but coincidences. Thanks and cheers to all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaba p (talk • contribs) 03:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Here I found a forum topic where this is discussed: http://comicus.forumfree.org/index.php?&s=3919d62756645106cbf94ecc7392325a&act=ST&f=2&t=53766 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaba p (talk • contribs) 19:34, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? It's not in English! Could you give us a bit of a summary of what's said? Anyone give any good references for thinking a yay or a nay?--203.45.146.36 (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)Matt--203.45.146.36 (talk) 04:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Translated with 'Google Translate':

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcomicus.forumfree.org%2Findex.php%3F%26s%3D3919d62756645106cbf94ecc7392325a%26act%3DST%26f%3D2%26t%3D53766&sl=it&tl=en

Basically they discuss this, but don't reach any specific conclusion. The book exists (you can look for it in 'Google Books') and the similarities between the book and the comic end there: the protagonist is a magician and almost all the men are wiped out. Here's a brief description of the book:

''Human Anatomy begins with a curious 'end of the world': one night the vast majority of men are killed and all women are alive. In Buenos Aires, Mario, almost the only survivor, becomes a sexual object, the women wish him, pursue him. Fearful that he might squander his sperm, a group of gynecologists women locks him: they seek to ensure reproduction and the continuance of the species. But Mario wants to be free, and in his scape through the pampas of Argentina, he meets bizarre characters and witnesses incredible stories. The humor and the sheer imagination reign supreme in this novel (Planeta Award, Argentina, 1993), whose plot is an excuse to figure out what is it to "be human" in the cross of instincts, rationality and cultural conventions, and find some precision within a rule violation .''Gaba p (talk) 23:17, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

It is incorrect to call it plagiarism. It is not plagiarism for two stories to have a similar plot or premise, unless you can cite specific instances where material was lifted. In reading this summary, it sounds like these two stories have taken VERY divergent paths despite the same general pretense. 150.113.8.138 (talk) 20:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I know that the stories take very divergent paths pretty early in the plot (and I agree with you on the incorrectness of the word 'plagiarism' in this context), but doesn't it sound like too much of a coincidence? The general premise I mean: 1- it's an 'end of the world' situation where (almost) all the men die and 2- the protagonist is a magician... I don't know, I thought maybe somebody knew more about this, that maybe the author had said somewhere that the novel inspired him or something...Gaba p (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Plot summary
The beginning of the section included information about the fact that Dr. Mastumori was still alive. This is actually discovered in the last issues of the comic; revealing it at the beginning of the section is a big spoiler for any casual viewer who might be simply interested in reading something regarding the work before deciding to read it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.27.253.78 (talk) 08:47, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

The Plot summary includes a variety of incorrect information, not limited to: Yorick's mother was never president - that responsibility was assumed by the Secretary of Agriculture. Yorick made his way to DC on his own to reunite with his mother. 355 was never under Congresswoman Brown's command - Congresswoman Brown distrusted 355, which is why she sent Alter after them in the first place. The President SENT Yorick and 355 to DC to meet up with Dr. Mann - it was not random happenstance that they met up. Gabyripples (talk) 17:00, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic Content
In this article, I read that Dr. Mann's 'morphic resonance' theory is considered the most plausible explanation for the gendercide, while all other explanations are considered 'less likely' and are summarized in bullet form. I think it is incorrect to say that Dr. Mann's theory is "better" because this is an unencyclopedic value judgment. Also, the paragraph is factually incorrect as the two astronauts also survived the extinction, which in my mind undermines Dr. Mann's argument.

It would be correct to say that this hypothesis receives the most discussion in the comic, or that it is the most detailed explanation. It might also be correct to say, "(Fill in the blank) considers this to be the best..." with a supporting document. As it is, morphic resonance is pseudoscience and therefore no better than the stolen amulet or the Dreamlands explanations. 150.113.8.138 (talk) 21:05, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

The most probable explanation (in fact the only one that could possibly be correct if you don't assume magic or pseudoscience to be a viable answer) is the one concerning a chemical agent being introduced in China. As there are viruses that are known to affect men and women differently and as there is no scientic discussion in the comic concerning the virus that may/may not have been released in China, it is plausable that a virus that affects only males could be created and presumably an accident could occur which releases the virus in an unintended manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.55.201.197 (talk) 00:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

A chemical or biological agent, or really anything that isn't "magic or pseudoscience" that could affect every Y chromosome bearing mammal (minus two/three) on the planet instantaneously while issuing from a single source doesn't sound very plausible to me. 198.204.141.208 (talk) 20:42, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, just because you prefer the chemical agent opposed to magic or pseudoscience because you think it is more "realistic" dose not make it any more viable. As the series points out nothing viral or chemical spreads or takes effect near light speed. Really though its not the cause but the effect that matters and thats why the writer left it vague. 65.183.214.150 (talk) 22:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Alter's theory of the chemical agent is also discussed earlier in the book by Natalya Zamyatin who states that her friends in the KGB also blame the United States for the gendercide. It is part of One Small Step the same storyline that introduces the two males who contradict Dr. Mann's theory. I feel this makes the theory more plausible due to the multiple sources for it. Specifically two government intelligence agencies. (KGB and Mossad)

The Plague
To follow up on the discussion above regarding the Unencylcopedic content... found this link [] In brief, it discusses how Brian Vaughn (one of the writers of Y), wrote a spec screenplay (not sure as to its veracity) and in the screenplay, the cause of the plague is revealed to be the Culper Ring's chemical weapon, that is alluded to in the book (Was it Alter who suggested it?). This makes sense in terms of the book, as well. Since the weapon was targeted against China, and should have only affected human y-chromsome fetuses (as explained in the link above [however the weapon mutated, or was badly designed]), it explains why the high ranking males in the US where caught unawares when released. It also explains the survival of the male astronauts, who were isolated from the weapon; its origin in China, as Dr. M points out; how Dr. M, Ampersand and Yorick survival via the immunity from Dr. M's serum. As for Dr. M's assertion that the death wave propagated at the speed of light from China, and this is original research here... perhaps the weapon was only designed to affect the Chinese genome line, and there were several dispersion sites across the globe all linked together by data lines (or maybe the global dispersion sites were accidentally activated). Its a more hard SF explanation then "morphic resonance" and fitting with the tone of the book, imho. But, in any case, as Brian Vaughn cautions in this link [], the plague is just a MacGuffin, and its origins are of no more importance to the story than the origin of a suitcase in a mystery novel. TANSTAAFL (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Probably add the above paragraph to the section dedicated the plague. With slight edits to fit the article. 99.67.238.57 (talk) 23:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Euthanize?
I don't recall Ampersand being euthanized. I remember Yorick taking him somewhere and giving him a grape. He's old and dying, so he vomits up the grape and then expires. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.198.131.146 (talk) 14:55, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

It's not explicitly said, but it's a valid interpretation. It's by coincidence that Ampersand dies when he is going to 350's grave? It makes sense that he feeds a poisoned grape just before getting there to bury them together. Helicoidal (talk) 08:23, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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Yeah, we got it.
"It's not the woman he was looking for that he loved, but the woman walking alongside him." 50.205.133.220 (talk) 14:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)