Talk:YMCA Youth Parliament

Reverted edits
I reverted the recent edits, particulary for this edit, because it seemed that the edits fell into one of a couple of categories:
 * uncited information
 * information from a primary source
 * non-notable information

I am guessing that there is first hand knowledge of how the program works - and an intention to clarify some of the information (e.g., training camp program, etc.). Unfortunately, the test of WP:Reliable sources is published material by an objective publisher with an editorial process. Any new material should have a cited source.

One option might be to remove all uncited information to help make it clearer - but at the least we shouldn't add any more uncited info to the article, right?-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 06:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'ved just started working on clearing up the US YMCA Youth and Government article now and got a bit confused between the two - there was only one blurb that was uncited.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 06:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Volunteer task force - NSW
Does anyone know of a published secondary source (book, newspaper article, journal or website) for this information:
 * The YMCA NSW Youth Parliament is run annually by a volunteer taskforce. The YMCA NSW Youth Parliament is the only Youth Parliament across Australia that does not receive funding from the State Government.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 06:05, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Background
There seem to have been issues with the Youth Parliament articles - regarding use of primary sources and notability of some of the content.

I'm thinking that what is happening here is an interest and knowledge about the topic - and desire to have the information published. The question isn't whether the information isn't interesting or important to the contributors wishing to write it, it's whether or not it's proper content for an encyclopedia article. The desired content might be best suited for social media, a blog page, the state's Youth Parliament page or another web page.

So, let me tackle a couple of things, from the perspective of creating an encyclopedia article, and see if that helps:
 * 1) Primary sources are not considered reliable sources (objectivity, lack of editorial review, biased, etc.) So, articles with primary sources can be deleted as a result. Please see WP:Primary sources.
 * 2) If there aren't secondary sources for content, the content isn't considered notable from the perspective of an encyclopedia article - no one in the book, magazine or journal industry found that information notable enough to write an article about it.
 * 3) Some of the content is not notable. Although it's interesting to have information published about the names and those involved in each year's parliament, it's not notable for this purpose. This is another reason why articles may be deleted - if the topic isn't notable. Please see WP:Notability.

I think the Youth Parliament topic is notable and important - and I was able to find good, reliable sources.

Because there wasn't a lot of material for each state, and seeing that the Queensland article was deleted for notability issues, it seemed to make sense to include the state information in this article and make it as robust and sound as possible so that it won't be deleted. That was my reasoning at the time.

I see, though, that there was another attempt to bring back uncited, primary cited and even social media material.

Notability and finding Sources
I see that on this talk page there has in the past been discussion on the notability of Youth Parliament and finding reliable sources.

When working on the Queensland section I could find multiple secondary sources with a quick google search. I suspect things have changes since comments about a lack of sources were made in 2013 so please check before reverting anything.

As for notability, I (again only on suspicion) believe that people living outside of Australia may not be aware of how seriously these programs are taken by State Governments here. Certainly in Queensland, YMCA QYP is THE official youth program of the Queensland Government and is a major part of their consultation with young people and Youth Bills have been made into Law on a semi-regular basis.

In many ways it functions as a lobby for young people as much as an educational program.

Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 07:02, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Options
I thought I'd spell out my reasoning and invite people from the Australia Wikiproject and on these talk pages to weigh in on this topic. What are people's votes:
 * Return the YMCA NSW Youth Parliament and resolve the notability and source issues
 * Maintain the current YMCA Youth Parliament with the state sections and the redirect from YMCA NSW Youth Parliament to the main article.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 03:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Added links to three options and section headings for clarity.-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 05:25, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and made some fixes to the YMCA NSW Youth Parliament article:
 * Removed all content that wasn't notable and was uncited. Where there is no source of information, and it's not on the YMCA NSW Youth Parliament sites, it appears to be original research, which is expressly forbidden.
 * Added content from the main article that does have reliable, secondary sources]. Books, newspaper articles and journals are good sources.--[[User:CaroleHenson| CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 15:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Queensland Additions
I have expanded the Queensland section, as previously it was greatly lacking. This is accurate as of 2021, so please check sources before altering content.

At some point in the future there is I believe there is grounds for a separate article on just the Queensland Youth Parliament. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 06:51, 25 August 2021 (UTC)