Talk:Yahtzee Croshaw/Archive 1

Occupation
He mentions towards the end of an Australian Gamer podcast that he an two friends will also soon own a bar. Should that be included on here?

http://www.australiangamerpodcast.com/mp3/Australian_Gamer_Podcast_154.mp3

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.33.164 (talk) 15:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Notability
So Ben Croshaw is not notable, but AGD Interactive is? I checked the AGD interactive article, there are no major publications referenced in the wiki article that mention them! Come on Andrevan, I dare you, go ahead and delete the article about the most famous amateur adventure game designers(AGDI) out there!
 * I already tried to delete this article, but it was kept. I will now, however, endeavor to have AGD Interactive deleted. Thanks for the tip. Andre (talk) 01:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Personal attacks removed. Andre (talk) 03:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I just looked him up, and not only has he tried to delete this, but also every single thing that Croshaw has ever done, as well as, bizarrely, the templates for the Mario and Zelda series, without which they would be difficult to navigate. Quite literally everyone disagreed with him on that.
 * I still think categories are more useful than navigational templates. But nobody agrees with me about this and I don't care that much. As far as Croshaw and his works, most of them weren't notable in 2006 and aren't notable now. I think he's still only borderline notable, but at least he now has some secondary source coverage. Andre (talk) 03:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Andre, good to see your attempts at deletion were defeated! Both Yahtzee and AGS are notable in the hobbyist game making community, and Yahtzee's Zero Punctuation column is also notable in the game review world. So kudos to your opponents! 201.231.81.53 (talk) 22:58, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that Croshaw on his own is not currently notable, but zero punctuation is and as such it is necessary to have this page.Matt Zero (talk) 15:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 11:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Delete
Not to be a pain but why did sombody want this deleated it factural and longer that other articles. and wiki and grow forever so we can stuff it full all we like. so why did people want it deleated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.189.93 (talk) 14:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been asking this myself, it's a beef I have with current wikipedia policy- we're supposed to collect all the knowledge of the world then somehow decide if some knowledge is "notable" or not. It's ridiculous. It used to be "BE BOLD" now it's "Be Timid". Sneakernets (talk) 03:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

oh god i posted that, look at my speling yesh, oh sorry off topic.(121.218.180.193 (talk) 04:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC))
 * If you notice, the deletion vote was well over a year ago. To put it lightly, Croshaw wasn't quite so well known then as he is now. -- Grandpafootsoldier (talk) 04:18, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

This article should stay as, irrespective of Mr Croshaw's fame, it has no detrimental effect on Wikipedia. However, the many references to Mr Croshaw placed on other pages should go. They lengthen the other articles whilst adding no useful content. Quite simply they smack of someone trying to artificially create an identity for themselves by spamming Wikipedia. If no-one has any opposition to this I will go ahead and remove the references to Mr Croshaw placed on other pages. If he is actually well known and respected I am happy to admit I live under a rock and leave them in place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.12.214 (talk) 20:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeh, your under a rock. EchetusXe (talk) 22:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing's that cut and dried. Regardless of what his opinions on something or other are, they shouldn't be on unrelated articles.  However, before anything is done I'd suggest that the original editor here should probably substantiate on what they mean by "references on other pages".  As they're not on THIS page, it's a little hard for anyone other than them to have any meaningful opinions on the matter. Maratanos (talk) 01:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * One must deduce he is talking about these- [|//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Ben_Croshaw&limit=500].EchetusXe (talk) 02:07, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

This guy is a waste of life and bandwith. He doesnt need an article. It should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.125.6 (talk) 02:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, please, tell us how you really feel. 24.80.163.219 (talk) 20:36, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Something is seriously wrong, if the Wikipedians delete the page on Srivasta Ramaswami, a world-class yoga teacher, and author of many books, and Sanskrit recordings, but you leave this guys page up. No one will care about this guy in 50 years, but Ramaswami's name will always have a place in the annals of (yoga) history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.237.20 (talk) 21:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Photo
There are other better images of Ben Croshaw available, Drake's Fortune wasn't the first time a he appeared as himself, for example and  the second of which isn't that great though. — Balthazar  (T 19:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I've updated the image with an promotional image from the Escapist, first seen in this article: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/6228-Yahtzees-Prototype-vs-InFamous-Challenge. I have provided this image as its use falls under fair use as it is a promotional headshot provided by Themis Media for publicity purposes. LesIsMore9o9  20:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Is there a reason why the aforementioned picture wasn't used? The current one is a rather blurry photograph of Yahtzee. Seannator (talk) 05:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Zero Punctuation
OK, WHY doesn't this have its own article? It's been covered by just about every gaming press that you could possibly think of. Maratanos (talk) 02:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Probably because it's more trouble than it's worth to contest the 'notability' of the series. This happens a lot on wiki, some *very nice rule-abiding person* always makes an issue of whether something is 'notable' or not and, because they have more time than you, they always win. It's also an issue of what's a 'reliable source' and, quite frankly, there's a lot of snobbery about the gaming press being one due to wiki's effort to be regarded as something on par with Encyclopedia Britannica. At least it has an article on TV Tropes...


 * It will, once the section grows out AVGN in size. // Gargaj (talk) 13:01, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, apparently we'll skip it entirely and go straight to "List of Zero Punctuation Episodes" Seriously, WTH? Maratanos (talk) 22:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Now it does :) // Gargaj (talk) 14:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

No experience necessary
Does No one think we should include this. I mean it is one of Mr Croshaws works and although its not a game it should be included on his page. The Beni Neko (talk) 08:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Questionable notability
It's ok with an article for his reviews, but is it really necessary to incorporate his rather irrelevant (and atrociously subjective) views on Wikipedian video game pages? After all, Wikipedia is not a place for slander or criticism. 14:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC) White Mage Cid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.166.178.16 (talk)


 * Considering his topics and motives, I would call it more than appropriate. For starters, it's not slander.  Slander implies making false statements as to criminal conduct or intentionally defamatory statements for that fact alone.  Wikipedia is for notable information, and that includes notable statements by notable individuals. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 03:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Game Damage
Should it be added that he and his two friends(Matt and Yug) are trying to get off the ground a game-based TV or Website series. They also have set up a pilot and website http://gamedamage.net/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.218.141 (talk) 13:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, not really. Unless there is some trend of his friends doing this, or he's making a more-than-notable effort to push for them.  But it's not really anything to do with him, per say. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 16:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, toss that response into the "hadn't checked the link, short on time" pile. On review; yes, this should be worked in somehow.  How brief that may be largely depends on what sources have commented on the pilot, otherwise it'll just be basically a one-liner.--Human.v2.0 (talk) 00:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

"some of the few games that have actually received a favorable review"
Something I've noticed is people tossing in names of games that get even the briefest positive mention here. Sometimes this is well into the realm of original research; a review is not blatantly "positive", but perhaps less negative than the reception most games featured receive. Basically, it would be nice for people to discuss additions here instead of using a name-drop which will be interpreted as a "positive plug" as most Wiki viewers will interpret. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 00:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The word used now is "favorable," but that's pretty vague and doesn't explain what he thought of the game. I don't think it helps to describe him either. Some of the games in it received a single positive point in the whole of their review (Gears of War 2) and others he had much better things to say about (Psychonauts), so it's a weird group. I think the list should be removed and anything he actually treated favorably overall added back with justification. If no one objects I'll go ahead and do that.Macklehatton (talk) 05:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of trimming the list and actually quoting Crowshaw on the games with favourable reviews. So far everyone seems to have ignored the comment in the source and not discussed the additions. Three examples and two game-of-the-year nominations should be enough to confirm that he has indeed given positive reviews. There is absolutely no need to add countless items. Unless referenced and discussed, I will treat further additions as original research and require burden of proof from the editors. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 17:13, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I also took the liberty of trimming the list. The 'Game of the Year' list and the few favorites mentioned in his Reddit AMA should be enough to give an impression of his taste and the notion that he does occasionally give favourable reviews. Specifically, I removed/edited the following: ". . . is rated as one of his favorite games of all time, the other four being Silent Hill 2, Spider-Man 2, Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time and Fantasy World Dizzy, all glimpsed in one of his videos, albeit blurred, with Fantasy World Dizzy being mentioned ironically. In his Soul Calibur 4 review, he left a message at the end saying that the 'Top 5 List', from the aforementioned video, should not be taken seriously. Also, in a later video he makes a scathing revision to Fantasy World Dizzy, in reference to the poor quality of the game by today's standards. Croshaw later explained that nostalgia led him to say this in his XBLA Double Bill video, and notes in his Let's Play of the game that it was one of the few games he owned during his childhood." It's pointless to call a list of games his favourite, and then immediately refute the assertion that they're his favourite. Rutlandbaconsouthamptonshakespeare (talk) 17:23, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd strongly recommend adding Minecraft to the list, he really seemed to consider it 'favorable' and it's the bestselling game in history so it seems like a reasonable addition. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:58, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Photo is of Ed Brubaker, not Ben Croshaw
The photo being used on the Ben Croshaw page is not him, it's a picture of comic book writer Ed Brubaker. Here is the proof. Boris Tripod (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Bloody hell, there's no need to post this on both talk pages. You could have just as easily changed them yourself instead of providing "proof". --Human.v2.0 (talk) 19:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The current picture is definitely the man himself Matt Zero (talk) 16:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Mana Bar
The Mana Bar should definitely be mentioned here, if not given its own page, especially considering the already impressive success of it. (128.43.223.254 (talk) 18:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC))

Reported attacks when navigatting to Mr. Croshaws old website
As the heading tells, when using links from the notes section, that lead to Mr. Croshaws old website, some browsers report an attack. Firstly, can someone confirm this? Secondly, what to do about it, as it might give Wiki-users a negative experience. Bryan de Bois Gilbert (talk) 17:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Mogworld
I've noticed that 'Mogworld' simply redirects to this page - if I go ahead and create a separate article for the novel that he wrote will that be alright, is the book notable enough? I would just Be Bold but on several occasions I've had articles I've made completely revamped or deleted so before I spend time making a page let me know if someone will simply think it isn't notable enough. Irandill (talk) 14:31, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It could meet criterion 1 of WP:NBOOK if enough non-trivial reviews exist. Jarkeld (talk) 14:59, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

personal life
Even though I know it's true as I went to every school with Ben, I can't find an article to quote stating his academic career...

The list of his Top 5 Favorite Games is slightly wrong.
The article states that Painkiller was on his Top 5 Favorite Games list. Yet, when his blurred list was shown in his Prince of Persia: Retrospective video, it clearly showed Spider-Man 2 on the list and not Painkiller. It was also ranked lower than Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time on the list.

I was going to make this edit to the article, but I read a notice above the Zero Punctuation section that said "PLEASE: Do not include further games here without discussion on the Talk Page." So, I decided to mention this on the Talk Page, displaying the evidence, before making the edit myself. Especially since, knowing my luck, it would be changed back as soon as I edited it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockinsparzy (talk • contribs) 08:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

and his own category ?
refs 42-47 are reddit comments, presumably by Ben about Ben, OR much ? --Dave Rave (talk) 11:21, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Article Name
Why is the article title Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw? It should be just Yahtzee or just Ben Croshaw, depending on how widely known his nickname is (see WP:AT). I propose to move the page to Yahtzee (videogame journalist), the most commonly used name. Heinerj (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that Yahtzee Croshaw would be a better option.Nigej (talk) 15:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nigej, for the reasons that his occupation goes beyond video game journalism, and that he has published his novels under the "Yahtzee Croshaw" pseudonym. It should be noted, however, that The Escapist (as well as Machine of Death and The Consuming Shadow) credits him as Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw, so it could be argued that the original article title is the most recognizable. Either way, he hasn't published anything under just the name "Yahtzee" in years, so let's not use that one.—Rutlandbaconsouthamptonshakespeare (talk) 19:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we could go with Yahtzee Croshaw if we must change it. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 19:48, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Since he's mainly known for Zero Punctuation, the source for the title should not be his pen name, but his nickname as a video game critic. Having said that, I have no problem with the title you propose, it does include the word Yahtzee and it looks like it's his username (see Yahtzee Escapist profile).
 * Just to play devil's advocate, there's always the third choice: we could simply use Ben Croshaw and introduce the nickname in the lead section instead of using as part of the title. This may be the easier and clearer way. Heinerj (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

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Residence is not USA
I've checked his blog, twitter account and searched everywhere and can find no reference to him moving. His twitter still says Brisbane, his blog does not mention a move, and his zero punctuation vids still say "Australia based". From the wiki page "He also co-hosted a weekly podcast/Let's Play hybrid series named Let's Drown Out along with co-host Gabriel Morton until his move to the United States in August 2016 thus ending the series.[12]" Citation 12 is from 2013. None of the multiple claims of him moving in the wiki page has a source backing it up. I think he is on a book tour over there and is only staying until thats done.
 * The Let's Drown Out series has indeed ended, if you look at his YouTube page, the most recent episode does confirm in the title/description that the series is over. My guess would be (assuming that he did actually move to the US) that he mentioned moving in one of the Let's Drown Out episodes, but the editor who added it didn't bother adding the source.  Unfortunately, the only way to verify this would be to just start watching the series in reverse order, and hope to find some mention of him moving, which would be super time consuming, since they're hour long episodes. CurlyWi (talk) 11:57, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Update: He confirms in his latest zero punctuation episode (ReCore) that he has indeed moved to the USA, so I guess the information was correct. CurlyWi (talk) 14:37, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, orignally I noticed on his twitter that it said he was in Brisbane, which is why I did my edits. Also that one links mentions nothing from him moving. Bulbbulb29054 (talk) 04:18, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

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Yahtzee's fourth novel
In his recent streams on Twitch, Yahtzee has been mentioned that he had written a new book: Differently Morphous. It's confirmed that it will come out on Audible first, with physical copies to come "later down the line". The release date as given by the Audible pre-order page is March 6th 2018. Here is a link to the books' Audible page: https://www.audible.com/pd/Sci-Fi-Fantasy/Differently-Morphous-Audiobook/B07958SX8N?ref=a_a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1&pf_rd_p=e81b7c27-6880-467a-b5a7-13cef5d729fe&pf_rd_r=PYR6J5A635K4TT2GQDSQ&

Release dates or information about who will publish the physical books has not been confirmed at this date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Potatisodlarn (talk • contribs) 11:49, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Peresonal life
Yahtzee got married a few weeks ago. Is this notable enough for a personal life section or something? I've noticed that spouses are usually mentioned in Wiki bios. 2.86.7.113 (talk) 11:29, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh did he and Kess end up getting maried? Good for them!  If there was some sort of official announcement, or reliable source coverage I'd say go for it, but if it was just offhandedly mentioned during a stream, then it's a bit trickier. CurlyWi (talk) 13:48, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Recent Edits by Wikibenboy94
I'm not one to engage in an edit war. While, yes the removed source is the Cuphead review. In that review he says the following: "In fact, what might as well be my favorite game ever is both ball-busting and miserable..." With Dark Souls listed as the game. Even if this is an exaggeration, warrants listing in the "favorite games" list. Also there is a comment instructing you to post on the Talk page before adding new games to this section like Return of the Obra Dinn. Yahtzee has reviewed a lot of games positively but this isn't the article for his reviews we just need a sampling of his positive games not a huge list of them all. While I would agree that Return of the Obra Dinn was a positive review it's already been highlighted in the "Best Game of the Year" table. I won't make any further edits after this. Please reply with your rationale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frapsity (talk • contribs) 21:43, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the oversight, but it was a valid mistake. I wouldn't have known he'd have mentioned Dark Souls on the off-chance in another review. I'm happy to comply re. the rest of your comment, however some of my citations to those reviews of COD 4, Dark Souls, and Paper Mario you've reverted and they are now unsourced. Also I contest the inclusion of the note on the common Half-Life comparisons to other FPS's (unless you can provide some sources). --Wikibenboy94 (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, I didn't either. When you initially removed the cuphead source I thought to myself, "Huh, why is that there? No problem removing it." When you removed the bit about Dark Souls I had an epiphany and decided to re-watch the cuphead review. I agree with re-adding the sources and removing the Half-Life lines. I could probably find sources for it but I can't think of any mentions off the top of my head. I might re-add it if I can find sources at a later date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frapsity (talk • contribs) 23:44, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

New image of Yahtzee
I think it would be beneficial if someone could find and upload under fair use a more recent photo of Yahtzee as I'm sure the one the article currently has is taken from about a decade ago (and it's not the sharpest image either). I know there are a few professionally-taken mugshots of him from recent years. Wikibenboy94 (talk) 10:54, 17 January 2019 (UTC)