Talk:Yahya Sinwar

For everyone who wishes to edit this article with much more details.
On 17:58, 14 October 2023‎, I added a version which covers much more details about Yahya Sinwar, about his family, about his youth, ideology, the fact that he murdered people himself, etc. Unfortunately, probably from political reasons, some users decided to revert it. If you are an editor, check it out, I also added many sources, please add at least some of the facts mentioned there. 46.120.7.7 (talk) 09:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Could you point again to your contribution or post it somewhere where it doesn't get deleted? I see no trace of it. 213.147.164.254 (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Duplicate section
The paragraph: <<  >> is literally repeated in the Early Life section. Someone should probably delete it from the article's introduction. Ranieri001 (talk) 10:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

References do not back up claim
references 10,11 don't seem to support the claim he had brain surgery 49.224.235.178 (talk) 15:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * To add to this, only one of the references actually mentions the surgery which is the Times of Israel article, referring to a prison chief who says this. As this claim has been made many times on television by proponents of the Israeli state, and no real evidence seems to exist (beyond one statement from, one could argue, not necessarily a non-biased source), one could argue it should be removed until actual evidence of the claim exists. No5assasin (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

1987
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3621441 In 1987, he wants to experiment with dropping explosive charges. He chose Shifa Hospital in Gaza City as a dummy target. 2.55.181.130 (talk) 20:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 November 2023
2600:4040:9CE4:500:3979:8201:D511:7B00 (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC) He is introduced as a political leader but and not as a terrorist. That's implies a lie.
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 18:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)


 * My suggestion would be as follows:
 * > Yehya Sinwar, is a terrorist leader and Palestinian politician who has been leading Hamas, the Sunni Islamist political and military organization that rules the Gaza Strip, since 2017.
 * Instead of the current one which is,
 * > Yehya Sinwar, is a Palestinian politician who has been leader of Hamas, the Sunni Islamist political and military organization that rules the Gaza Strip, since 2017.
 * 5aturnius (talk) 11:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Sinwar isn’t a politician
Yahya Sinwar is a terrorist and a convicted murderer. Please edit. Drsruli (talk) 13:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)


 * My thoughts exactly!! Thank you. 100.12.12.218 (talk) 16:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 November 2023
There's a new BBC article with a lot of info about his personal life and I wanna see some incorporated here, as a bio.

In the fourth paragraph at the top, make a new line with the following: '''Sinwar's personality has been described as both charming and brutal. His reputation for violence gave him the nickname "Butcher of Khan Younis".''' Pristaccident (talk) 16:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * ❌ WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY, significance? * Pppery * it has begun... 02:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 December 2023
Place remarks at end of career section in indirect speech 2A00:23C6:8486:4801:E81B:4C67:99B8:10CA (talk) 13:02, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 01:02, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 December 2023
Add- However, Hamas had not been designated as a terrorist organization by the UN. 2601:1C0:5002:9D30:5A17:6C29:DA24:1A6F (talk) 01:12, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 01:04, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Hamas
hamas is called a political or military organization at the beginning. That should be changed to terrorist organization 147.236.117.73 (talk) 18:20, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2023
ENGLISH LANGUAGE CORRECTION. THE ENGLISH PAGE IS FULL OF LANGUAGE ERRORS AND AWKWARD STRUCTURES.

Orchestrating abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians he considered to be collaborators in 1989, he was sentenced to four life sentences by Israel, of which he served 22 years until his release among 1,026 others in a 2011 prisoner exchange for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.[5] In 2017, he was elected as Hamas' leader, and claimed to pursue "peaceful, popular resistance" the following year, a position which was later abandoned.[9] He was re-elected as Hamas leader in 2021, and was subject to an assassination attempt by Israel that year.

=> After orchestration the abduction and killing…

In 2017, he was elected leader of Hamas…

He was re-elected in 2021….and survived an assassination attempt.

In September 2015, Sinwar was designated a terrorist by the United States government,[7] and Hamas and the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades have also been designated terrorist organisations by the United States, the European Union and other countries and organisations.

=> by the United States government. Hamas and the…..

Sinwar was born Yahya Ibrahim Hassan al-Sinwar in 1962, in the Khan Yunis refugee camp, when the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian rule, where he spent his early years. His family were expelled or fled from Al-Majdal Asqalan (Ashkelon) during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and sought refuge in the Gaza Strip. After he graduated from high school at Khan Yunis Secondary School for Boys, he went on to the Islamic University of Gaza where he received a bachelor's degree in Arabic Studies.[10][11]

=> Sinwar was born Yahya Ibrahim Hassan al-Sinwar in 1962, in the Khan Yunis refugee camp, where he spent his early years, when the Gaza Strip was under Egyptian rule.

Sinwar was first arrested in 1982 for subversive activities and he served several months in the Far'a prison where he met other Palestinian activists, including Salah Shehade, and dedicated himself to the Palestinian cause.[10] Arrested again in 1985,[6] upon his release he together with Rawhi Mushtaha co-founded the Munazzamat al Jihad w’al-Dawa (Majd), an organization that worked, among others, to identify collaborators with Israel among the Palestinian population,[5] which in 1987 became the "police" of Hamas.[10] His killing of suspected collaborators with Israel gained him the nickname "The Butcher of Khan Yunis"[by whom?].[12][13][14]

=> Sinwar was first arrested in 1982 for subversive activities. He served…..

He was arrested again in 1985. Upon his release from prison, together with Rawhi Mushtaha, he co-founded the Munazzamat al Jihad w’al-Dawa (Majd), an organization that worked to identify collaborators with Israel among the Palestinian population.[5] In 1987 Majd became the Hamas "police" .[10]…

In 2008 while serving a prison sentence he was operated on by Israeli doctors[16] to remove a tumor in his brain to save his life.[11][17] [18]

=> In 2008, while serving a prison sentence, he was operated on by Israeli doctors[16] to remove a brain tumor to save his life.[11][17] [18]

More recently he has silenced hard-line voices in Gaza overruling the use of tunnels that Muhammad Deif wanted to use to sneak fighters into Israel before they were shut down by new classified Israeli technology in 2017.[9]

=> More recently, he has silenced hard-line voices in Gaza, overruling the use of tunnels that Muhammad Deif wanted to use to sneak fighters into Israel before they were shut down by new classified Israeli technology in 2017.[9] LianeRose (talk) 21:43, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 19:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Add information about the Israelis treating Sinwar's brain tumor?
Can someone please add more information to this article about how Sinwar's brain tumor was treated by Israeli doctors while he was in captivity?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/we-saved-the-life-of-hamass-gaza-leader-says-israels-ex-prison-chief-dismissing-strikers-complaints/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/israeli-doctor-who-saved-hamas-31439612 Am i talkin to me (talk) 12:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Unnecessarily argumentative language
The passage in the Career sections: "In November 2012, during Hamas' "defensive war"," Is pointlessly argumentative whether it is attempting to frame the conflict as a defensive war or cast doubts upon that opinion with its quotation marks. It would be far more neutral and informative to either reference the war by the title on its page or something similar. Bad Historiography (talk) 08:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

He is a terrorist. That's all.
Everything you read in this page is a lie. 2A0D:6FC0:9C9:7700:6DB1:DD58:386D:E49B (talk) 13:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, the "politician" description seems laughable. This is why people keep objecting to it here. It stands out immediately upon reading. Drsruli (talk) 22:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 February 2024
The European Union on Tuesday Februar 13th added Hamas Gaza leader Yahya Sinwar to its terrorist sanctions blacklist over the October 7 attacks on Israel. The move means that the accused mastermind of the attacks is subject to having his assets frozen in the 27-nation bloc and bans EU citizens from conducting transactions with him. Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas is already listed as a terrorist organization by the EU. Source: https://www.voanews.com/a/eu-adds-hamas-gaza-leader-sinwar-to-terrorist-list/7442076.html 188.177.174.77 (talk) 13:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 10:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 February 2024
There are many errors on this page. Yahya Sinwar is the mastermind of the Oct.7th 2023 attack on Israeli sovereignty and on Israeli civilians. He is a wanted terrorist who is responsible for the savage rapes, tortures and murders of 1400 Israeli civilians. 93.172.12.58 (talk) 14:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Novem Linguae (talk) 20:08, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2024
The article cites the IDF as "occupation force". Firstly, has this been the accepted term on wikipedia for the IDF? Secondly, it is linked to a non existing page_view_generator.py MendelDeren (talk) 06:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I'm sorry, I can't figure out exactly what you're looking at. If you can be more specific, please feel free to reopen the request. PianoDan (talk) 22:34, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 March 2024
Under Hamas Israel war, please replace the first paragraph with this text:

On October 7, 2023, Hamas, under the leadership of Sinwar, initiated a surprise attack on Israel, resulting in the death of more than 1,200 individuals, mostly civilians, and the abduction of over 250 people to Gaza.

The attack also involved the assault of numerous women, the killing of children, the elderly, and the burning of houses.

By March 2024, Sinwar remained opposed to any exchange of the kidnapped individuals for terrorists prisoners held by Israel. As of March 2024, 134 Israelis are still being held by Sinwar and Hamas.

reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel https://oct7map.com/ Barakooda (talk) 16:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. PianoDan (talk) 22:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 April 2024
The opening sentence of the third paragraph is hard to read. I propose the following rewording, which does not change the factual information but makes it easier for the reader to parse. The current wording is:


 * "For orchestrating the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians he considered to be collaborators in 1989, he was sentenced to four life sentences by Israel, of which he served 22 years until his release among 1,026 others in a 2011 prisoner exchange for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit."

I suggest:


 * "In 1982, Sinwar orchestrated the abduction and killing of two Israeli soldiers and four Palestinians he considered to be collaborators. He was sentenced to four life sentences by Israel. He served 22 years until he and 1,026 others were released in 2011 in exchange for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit."

Thanks, Opolito (talk) 17:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Last edit
"is thought" refers to the location, while the human shield claim is indeed still stated in WP voice. Plus you have only added one theory and ignored the two rest. The very existence of three theories is indicative of unreliability. Please stop edit warring and seek consensus and demonstrate verifiability for the information you are trying to add. Three Israeli websites are obviously not independent nor reliable for this information. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Still waiting for your elaborations on your edit. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
 * If you have concerns regarding the sources, you should start a discussion on WP:RSN. We better evaluate sources based on their sticking to factual reporting rather than their country of origin, so their location in Israel is irrelevant to this conversation. If you're familiar with other theories of Sinwar's current whereabouts which other reliable sources support you're welcome to add them as well. HaOfa (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Now how WP works. Per WP:BURDEN, it is the responsibility of the inserter of the material to demonstrate verifiability. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 June 2024
The last sentence is incorrect. It currently says:

On 20 May 2024, an arrest warrant was launched against Sinwar by the International Criminal Court (ICC) on several counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

ICC arrest warrants aren't "launched." And as of 11 June, none has been issued against Sinwar. A correct statement would be:

On 20 May 2024, International Criminal Court (ICC) Prosecutor Karim Khan announced he was requesting an arrest warrant against Sinwar on multiple counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity. ScottWade56 (talk) 06:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ M.Bitton (talk) 13:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Final Paragraph
"The authenticity of these messages has not been verified" Are we sure that's what the article says? SirShaunIV (talk) 02:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

wrong information
Sinwar was not accused or convicted of killing any Israeli soldier; he was active in an al-majd organization that used to torture and kill Palestinians, accused by Hammas of being spys, "infidels," or "unbelievers."

I have the Israeli court file that proves that.

The information about him killing two soldiers is completely untrue. The number of Supreme Court protocols is:

בגץ 658/89 אברהים חסן סנואר נ' מפקד כוחות צה"ל ברצועת עזה' פ"ד מג(2) 821

HCJ 658/89 Ibrahim Hassan Sanwar v. Commander of IDF Forces in the Gaza Strip, PD 43(2) 821

The files of the melitiary court that convicted Sinwarr were not published because it's a melitiary court, BUT his father appealed to  supreme court to prevent the demolishing of his house and there the information was published   Makbula Nassar (talk) 12:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)