Talk:Yangelʹ

Requested move 28 November 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: No consensus (non-admin closure) BegbertBiggs (talk) 23:07, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Yangelʹ → Yangel (crater) – English-language titles do not usually use Russian soft signs. The title of the article Mikhail Yangel, whom the crater is named after, does not use the soft sign either, although his original Russian name includes a soft sign. J I P &#124; Talk 23:00, 28 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 14:01, 6 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Spekkios (talk) 23:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose for two reasons: (a) this article is not just about Yangelʹ (crater), but is also a rd for Rima Yangelʹ (though that is perhaps not important), and (b) this is not our romanization, but that of the IAU and the USGS. There are a number of lunar craters with soft signs in them, and the IAU, NASA, USGS etc. retain those soft signs. It's one thing to fix errors in IAU names (e.g. when they get a diacritic wrong), but another to start changing international conventions. If we do move this article, it should be part of a mass move of the dozen or so Russian crater names that have soft signs in them -- it would be confusing to remove some but keep others -- and should probably be done through Wikiproject Astronomy. — kwami (talk) 11:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, and perhaps relegate to the Wikiproject at a later time, if necessary. This is a question about naming conventions, which currently recommend to keep the article name as it is. As Kwami said, moving the article should be discussed elsewhere, as it would be part of a mass move that would probably affect hundreds of many articles. Also wait for the ongoing discussion started on November 25th to reach a conclusion. Renerpho (talk) 08:20, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment Regarding the argument that Mikhail Yangel and Yangelʹ (crater) follow different standards: Astronomy articles on Wikipedia, and IAU itself, usually handle these as separate, meaning that the names of craters/asteroids are only meant to "resemble" those of their namesakes. Compare van 't Hoff, van't Hoff (crater), and 34978 van 't Hoff. Whether or not Jacobus van 't Hoff's name includes a space or not is not relevant for the names of the crater and the asteroid. There is no reason to handle spaces and diacritics differently in these instances. If the diacritic is part of the crater's name then we should follow that. This requested move discussion goes in a similar direction. Renerpho (talk) 03:18, 7 December 2021 (UTC)