Talk:Yarennoka!

"Notes" section
...was largely removed for the following reasons: Tuckdogg (talk) 17:39, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 1. Inclusion of flags for every fighter listed in the notes is a violation of WP:FLAGS, and not necessary to illustrate the point.
 * 2. "Former Pride lightweight standout"...is peacocking.
 * 3. The entire note about Hansen isn't needed in the article, adds little of substance, and the factual statements relating to Yarennoka are not properly sourced. The listed source just says he's appearing on the K-1 card, and that's not even an official source that he's doing that (it's from the rumors section of MMA Weekly, which is not reliable). Nothing in there suggests he was ever contracted to appear at Yarennoka.
 * 4. "The blockbuster K-1 vs. Pride match"...peacocking again. That note is at least significant enough to be included, since the match was one of the primary draws of the card and Aoki is confirmed to still be fighting someone. I've reworded it to be more encyclopedic.
 * 5. "Ricardo Arona and Aleksander Emelianenko are sill rumored to fight at Yarennoka." (emphasis mine). The "rumored" part says it all. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, and there is no place for rumors and speculation on Wikipedia. The aren't allowed anywhere else; this fight card is no exception. As I've said before, this is WikiPEDIA, not WikiRUMORBLOG.
 * 6. As for Gomi, if he's not interested, then why do we need a note on that? It's not notable enough to be included in the article on Yarennoka unless he's going to be there. If he signs on to fight someone, we can just list the match at that time. It's also problematic that your note said Gomi isn't interested, which is not supported by the source you cited. It just says there hasn't been much progress in negotiations with him, which could mean a number of things. To assume that it means Gomi isn't interested is both speculation and original research.


 * You're taking peacocking rules too literally, also any news about Gomi fighting on the card is noteworthy, considering his strong ties to Pride in the past. Finally, Hansen was supposed to fight at Yarennoka until they partnered up with FEG, who wanted him for their show in return for the various fighters they are sending to Yarennoka.Reith52


 * Actually, the peacocking rules are dead-on for the content you posted. You have to remember you're writing for an encyclopedia here, not for a news site. The content isn't supposed to be all flashy with lots of adjectives; just supply the facts. Hyping a match as a "blockbuster" or a fighter as a "Pride standout" is very much editorializing and peacocking.
 * I'm still not convinced that the notes relating to Hansen and Gomi are at all notable for this event, but I'm not going to start a revert war by dumping them again. I'll leave it for others to review them and see who they agree with. The updated Hansen source is also good, but still doesn't address the issue of him being originally contracted to appear at Yarennoka. That still needs a citation.
 * FYI, sign your posts with " ~ ". That includes datestamps & whatnot to make things easier to read. Also, so you now I'm not trying to attack you (even though I may come off that way sometimes). Just trying to keep the article in line with Wiki policies to improve it. Tuckdogg (talk) 19:20, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Hansen note has finally been sourced. Case Closed Reith52 (talk) 21:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed it has. Thank you for addressing my concern. Gromlakh (talk) 01:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Misaki/Akiyama
Based on a Babelfish translation of the cited Japanese article, I edited the text of the Misaki/Akiyama note. I cannot translate the Japanese on my own, so obviously it was a "loose" translation based upon what I could gather from the broken English provided by Babelfish. If anyone can translate the article themselves, or possibly find an English article about the issue, that would be immensely helpful. Gromlakh (talk) 02:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Play-by-play
I don't see what this is adding to an encyclopedia entry about the show. None of the fights were particularly notable, and it's not done in any other entries about recent MMA shows. The consensus has always been to list the results and anything particularly notable about the fights (such as antics afterwards), but never to give a full play-by-play of the fights. Why should this show be any different? Gromlakh (talk) 22:09, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It clearly adds to the encyclopedia since it is valid information directly pertaining to the event. Why delete valid information that has a legitimate reference? I believe that adding more information about the fights provides useful and necessary information for any user interested in learning more about Yarennoka. This way you dont have to look through references or search through links to find out exactly what happened, which is easier for the casual user. Also, just because no other MMA event page has it doesn't make it wrong, I believe that if anyone wants to put in the time to put in detailed information about the fights should be commended. Reith52 (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)