Talk:Yate

Infobox
The article needs an infobox. In the meantime, I've uploaded and will add the Yate coat of arms. --kingboyk 15:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Local lass
I have asked "Local lass" to stop making unencyclopedic additions to the Yate article. Here are her four additions to the article:

Chipping Sodbury is a much nicer and vastly more historic village that people prefer to live in, as Yate is too chav.

''The town has a skatepark at Peghill. Fascinating. Bet people are thrilled to be able to read that gem in a wiki.''

''For the record, J.K Rowling did NOT spend her early childhood in Yate. She in fact lived in Chipping Sodbury and in Winterbourne before her parents wisely removed her to some less crap part of the country.''

''Yate featured notoriously in the book "Crap Towns: The 50 Worst Places To Live In The UK" by Sam Jordison, Dan Kieran. Yate was nominated for position number 46 in the toungue in cheek countdown by local residents. The book can be purchased via several popular online bookstores.''

She seems to be believe that the above is fit for a professional encyclopedia! It might be relevant that I’ve edited nearly every day since January 2003 and Local lass since 8th November 2006. Who is more likely to know what is acceptable here and what is not? She does not yet understand that there is a style of writing that the WP Community has decided is OK (I don't decide the style but she thinks I do!) and she has to conform to it. She has only to look at some other town entries to see the style.

Here are the comments she makes about me (and note that these disgraceful comments are in the article itself, not on a Talk page!)

''Inhabitants of Yate - please take over this wiki. It is too boring for words and the self appointed English nationalist "guardian" of this wiki has no concept of what facts may interest locals and those beyond. He also thinks that an adult, educated woman who opposes his tyrannical obsessive compulsive fixation with boring facts is "childish". Maybe, but at least I have a life beyond my PC and the Yate wiki.''

and this ''The somewhat controlling and smallminded person who has claimed ownership of this wiki entry seems to have misunderstood the concept of a "wiki"pedia as opposed to an "encyclopedia". The concept of wikis is that they are free to edit by anyone and they choose what material may or may not appear. Many local residents feel that the inclusion of Yate in the lighthearted, tongue in cheek publication "50 crap towns" is something to be be viewed with a sense of humour. It appears that the self styled guardian of the Yate wiki entry has had this aspect of his personality bypassed. At no point is it suggested by the online community that a wiki entry should be dull and free of humour. Who are you to arbitrarily decide what is encyclopedia material"?''

Of course, I’m reverting her writing (if at the standard of the above) every time - Adrian Pingstone 16:51, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Does she have a very good point, incorrectly placed in the article that we all exhibit a 'tyrannical obsessive compulsive fixation with boring facts'? Jed keenan 16:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Local Lass if you are still out there we need you !!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jigman1166 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Colin Pitchfork
Anon IP 62.30.220.4 made an undiscussed removal of the "first criminal caught by DNA" entry, which refers to a real person (AFAIK) with their own wiki entry. If they're notable enough for that entry, surely they merit being linked from the Yate article? It's a change from JKR, at least. Anyone else think it's worth rolling back the edit? Andy Dingley 17:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * His article says that he's from Bristol rather than Yate, but if he is from Yate it's probably worth a mention here. &mdash; Gasheadsteve Talk to me 09:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

The Road To Nowhere
The stretch of dual carriageway that runs across Yate Common.

If you look at an aerial shot, http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=51.535598~-2.435832&style=a&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=4241980&where1=yate&encType=1 you can see that it would have joined up with a roundabout on the other side of the railway. Who planned it? What was the purpose, except maybe for missing out the high street?

Were they going to build a bridge over the railway? It doesn't look like the'd left enough room to do it.

Did the planners forget that the railway was there?

Or maybe they thought that as the rail network was in decline at the time, that it would be removed. But as it's a main line I don't think it would have been!

Why is there no info to be found on this road? Is it too embarrasing for the truth to be published?

Or did they just plain, run out of money.

There are alot of people wondering about this, so if you know the answer, get it on here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.131.135 (talk) 04:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * When I lived there 30 years ago, we understood that the intention had been to make Heron Way and Rodford Way into a Yate bypass by building a road from the end of Rodford Way to the A432 west of Yate. As you rightly say, this would have involved some sort of railway crossing, which would seem to be the most likely reason for running out of money. - Wollygobble (talk) 00:55, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Adrian Pingstone
I think we need to discuss a few of these points before you just jump on your high horse and delete/edit to your own agenda. I think discussion is needed before any more edit please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loon*i2d (talk • contribs) 23:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Adrian Could you please let me know which bits you don't like so we can come to some sort of arrangement. Just deleting whole sections because you don't like them is not the Wiki way. I feel that it is fair to add this section as the whole Radburn idea has failed around the country/world and Yate is a good example of this.

re: the design section that has been added, I am sorry Adrian but just because you do not agree with a comment does not mean it is not fact/true. and with regards to Vandalism people bunny hopping there BMX bikes on the park bench is far worse than changing and edit on a web site that is open to the public domain !! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jigman1166 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Reply from Adrian
Hi to the recent Yate editors!

First of all you need to know my edit credentials to prove I‘m not a new start: I have 18,000 edits since January 2003. Let me quote the paragraph that you are so determined shall go in:

''During the late 1960's and continuing through most of the 1970's there was massive development of Yate. This development was planned as a model for future new town development and was planned using the Radburn model, the basic design is to create a safe vehicle free environment at the front of houses with open green space.'' ''As was discovered and debated (BBC TV "The Yate debate") about in the years following this model in fact created an environment in which people did not interact, coupled with this in the case of Yate was the fact that there were a large number of young families, a lack of public facilities (for many years the shopping centre was the only public facility in the town). Yate was a good example of why Radburn did not work as most of the children played in the back streets and not the open spaces at the front.'' The design and growth of Yate was part of the GCE O level Geography curriculum towards the end of the 70’s and was generally regarded as the way not to build a new town. In the late 80’s and early 90’s the developers realising the error of their ways reverted to a more traditional development plan for the remaining bits of North Yate, Brimsham Park and the redevelpment of the old Newmans factory site. (minor point, it's 1960s not 1960's)

Now look at my Edit Summaries when I removed most of that material:

Reference to BBC TV is not an OK reference for WP even if you saw the programme/opinion not allowed either (what are your sources for the Radburn failure - produce evidence)

''Totally unreferenced para removed, who says all this stuff? I know it seems "common knowledge" to you but an encyclopedia must prove what it tells the reader.''

''Reverted unsourced, unreferenced, personal opinion, material. If this vandalism continues Wikipedia can block you from editing. WP requires reliable sources, not opinions.''

My Edit Summaries say it all. Even if you saw it on a TV programme, and even if you live in a Radburn and you know the facts, that's not good enough for WP. Please understand that I am not expressing MY policies these are the policies of WP itself and cannot be altered. Read those policies in:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial_(External_links).

Of course, the Radburn model certainly has produced the ugly look we have today in south Yate and I know that as well as you. But the strange fact is that, no matter how much you know personally, or from others, or from TV, it cannot go onto WP without authoritative published references (and that makes WP hard work to write for because finding your published references will be difficult). It takes a while to realise how very organised WP is and that there are masses of rules, but infringement of those rules results in you wasting your time adding stuff that I have to continually remove.

I resent the remarks about being on a "high horse", that I'm editing to "my agenda" and that I am not editing WP in the "Wiki way". I am editing to WPs Agenda only! Best Wishes - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 16:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Might I bring to your attention Cite episode Andy Dingley (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well hi back to you.

It's about time you decided to engage in a proper conversation rather than your very over aggressive editing. While it is one thing to mention your comments in the editing, don’t you think it fair to read mine? You have failed to join the discussion for nearly 24 hours and several edits! I do not have a problem with you editing the Yate Wiki, but do have to say your actual real input into it is to say the least very disappointing. Yes you have added a few photos (how the way how do I know they are of Yate as they are not referenced by the way?) but to be honest that is all you have done, apart from editing other peoples work.

Now what I do have a problem with is your deletions of bits I have added. I actually got involved by editing somebody else’s work because while I agreed with you about the content, I felt theirs was actually more relevant to Yate. That is why I edited theirs and put an explanation up that you chose to ignore! I still feel that the other members info is more relevant to Yate and still needs a bit of work on the editing side (which again info you chose to ignore). The BBC TV programme is fact so I don’t really see your problem with it. It is also fact that Yate was part of the GCE O level syllabus in the 70’s. Radburn failure, please just type it into google you can then have all the references you want!

No you are not editing the Wiki way because if you were you would edit the information and not just delete it! Also you seem to be confused over who is doing what. Please don’t delete my edited post just because you deleted them before I took the time to edit them, take the time to read them and adjust if necessary. That is the Wiki way.

Oh and just for reference I do not need to know your editing credentials as you do not need to know mine! Please go back and read the front pages of Wiki and remind yourself just what Wiki is about. And lastly Might I bring to your attention Andy Dingley (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC) that is aimed at you as much as me so please bear that in mind!

Adrians reply
It’s fascinating to read your response and to see that my main point regarding referencing has been completely ignored. You wander round all sorts of irrelevant matters but ignore my point regarding referencing contentious stuff so that the reader knows they are not just your “opinion”. I provided a WP link about referencing that you have presumably not looked at.

Detailed comments: 1. Editing cannot be “over aggressive” if the editing is necessary to make the article obey WP policy (ie no opinions unless proven by references). How can I edit your information if I don‘t have the references? So WP policy is that it must be removed and can be put back when the references are ready. 2. “You have failed to join the discussion for nearly 24 hours and several edits”. What is the relevance of my length of time between edits? Editing WP is one of many things in my life! 3. “A few photos” is in fact 14 in the article. Hardly a few! 4. “It is also fact that Yate was part of the GCE O level syllabus in the 70s“. Once again, as I’m really tired of telling you, if that is true then what is the source of the fact? 5. On Radburn failure, WP does not regard “type it into Google” as a reference, you actually have to name the reference yourself. 6. Yes, you do need to know my editing credentials because someone with 18,000 edits in 5 years (and negligible complaints in that time) is more likely to know WP policy than someone with about 15 edits in 3 days. 7. I made an error on the TV point so, yes, find the exact date of transmission and then rewatch the programme to see if your memory of what it said is correct. How do you do that unless the BBC have a copy. Relying on your memory is no good. 8. Did you bother to look at my WP link? It explains what I’ve been trying to tell you. 9. “Please go back and read the front pages of Wiki and remind yourself just what Wiki is about.” I know what WP is about, it‘s about generating a first class encyclopedia but policies must be followed. You clearly have no intention of following policies so I’ll sign off now. I don’t think there is any point in my replying further to you because I would just be repeating myself over and over. Best wishes and happy editing- Adrian Pingstone (talk) 20:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Loons Reply
Ok I am not going to be dragged into a flame war with you over this.

As a long term resident of Yate (I could be wrong but I am going to say longer than you) I feel that the Wiki for Yate is rather small and lacks far too much of it’s rather colourful and not so colourful history. Yes some of this is hearsay and as other posters have found out you don’t stand any nonsense. Now I like Yate and like living here but it does not mean I am blinkered to its failings. As an encyclopaedia I feel all fact about a subject should be entered good or bad. I would rather work with you on this but I am also happy to go alone if needs be. Could I also be so bold as to make a couple of suggestion to you? If you feel a point needs a ref, rather than go in with a big stick how about a gentle reminder and you might like to reference this bit in the editing guide in the link you included.

Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed, but editors may object if you remove material without giving them sufficient time to provide references.

I will re-edit the design section removing all the bits you don’t seem to like, but including the more detailed bits about radburn and it’s failure in Yate. Oh and its not just bits of South Yate a good third of North Yate uses radburn as well.

Sorry you seem to have got the hump about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loon*i2d (talk • contribs) 23:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Adrians signing-off reply
At last you have acknowledged what I’ve been trying to get over to you, when you say (above) “yes some of this is hearsay” which is exactly the point I‘ve been making endlessly! Thank you for beginning to see my point (which is that hearsay is not OK on WP). I’ll leave the article alone now and come back in a month and see where we are. Best Wishes, and signing off on this topic - Adrian Pingstone (talk) 16:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)


 * When things have calmed down, someone might want to look at some references in relation to planning history at Yate, for example here and in particular here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Famous Inhabitants
Are these Wrestlers really famous? And is their inclusion relevant to the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loon*i2d (talk • contribs) 13:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody have a problem with me removing them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loon*i2d (talk • contribs) 11:59, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Relevance of Apingstones edit count
Can someone please tell me why Arpingstones edit count is relevant, does having an edit count this large mean he is a better authority on everything than someone who has maybe 100 less edits than him? Just curious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.170.141 (talk) 19:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes I think it is a bit like the size of your car :-) Anyway I think it is nice that somebody who had no life after leaving work now does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.177.163 (talk) 16:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Merger Proprosal
I have proposed that Abbotswood, Yate be merged in here, as it is no more than a suburb of Yate, and it seems inappropriate to have its own article. jenuk1985 (talk) 01:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Bus route list
Please seek consensus before removing this list. There is no policy against it, and it is not big enough to warrant a split on its own page. Jenuk1985 |  Talk  16:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Edit request
Please add a link to the disambig page Yeet (disambiguation) for the incoming redirect Yeate. This is an editfilter restriction, so I suspect an elevated account is required, and "Yeet" should be pronounced like "Yeate".

Change

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-- 65.94.171.6 (talk) 08:14, 14 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Done &mdash;  Gas Head Steve [TALK] 10:54, 14 February 2020 (UTC)