Talk:Years and Years (TV series)

Episode 6 summary
Is this definitely right?

"The timeline accelerates then rewinds, and it is revealed that the events of the series were the retellings of Edith's memories, as she is in the process of uploading her memories to water molecules with Bethany's help."

Crookesmoor (talk) 12:25, 20 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Well, kind of. When her memories are being uploaded, they ask her to go back in time and clarify something. But it's not really a rewind because the upload scene is set, presumably, even further down the line. In any case, it's excessive and unnecessary detail, as stated in the hatnote, the summary is much longer than the recommended 200-word limit. Leoseliv (talk) 15:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Categories
I have removed this article from Category:Television series set in 2019 and Category:Television series set in the 2010s. These categories are generally intended for series not set in or near the year/decade they were broadcast (so are usually for series set in the then future year of 2019 (its says in the former category's description "Television shows whose events take place in the 2010s but which were made before that decade"). Presumably they will eventually also be for series made in the 2020s onwards but set in the past year of 2019 as categories such as Category:Television series set in the 1990s are. However as Years and Years was first broadcast in 2019 and the only part of it set in the 2010s is set in that year it is not appropriate for the article to be in either of these categories. I have left it in Category:Television series set in the 2020s and Category:Television series set in the 2030s as since episodes are set in these future decades it is entirely appropriate for the article (covering a series broadcast in 2019) to be in these categories. Dunarc (talk) 20:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Image
Hi, I think the image that was in the infobox suits the page better, as it is more than simply words. Why do you insist on using the title card instead? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 06:32, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello . To answer your question, as per Manual of Style/Television, "For a show's main article, an intertitle shot of the show (i.e., a screenshot capture of the show's title) or a promotional poster used to represent the show itself should be used." Almost all TV series articles use an intertitle (even if that intertitle is only text on a dark screen, for example Better Things (TV series)). However, even if we decide to use a promotional poster, it needs to be an official poster that was actually used to promote the series by its distributor (in this case, the BBC or HBO). There are plenty of official posters for this series, but the image you are proposing does not seem to be one. Looking at the image, it claims to be sourced from an official BBC site (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000539d), and yet that site does not contain the image or anything like it. It may as well just be a fan-created image. If this image is actually an official poster and I've made an error, I would recommend providing an accurate source that proves it is is official. Also, in the infobox, I believe it is inaccurate to say that the series has stereophonic sound. On HBO Max, the series is available in 5.1 surround sound (as virtually all modern TV productions are). I won't change it again right now, but I must ask if you have a source for the series being in stereo sound. Not only can I not find a source for that, but it seems rather unusual for a series made in 2019. HaileyKhalif07 (talk) 07:07, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate your input on this. For the record, I am not proposing the image, it was already there when I first edited the article. I hear you about the stereo sound part as well, I'll remove that. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I disagree with using the HBO title card. The Image is an official BBC image that was used to advertised the show, both on BBC iPlayer and in other media as well as the BBC media pack released to news outlets. It conveys far more information about the show than the HBO white on black lettering. Seeing as the BBC made and promoted the show, we should use their promotional material over that of a foreign broadcaster.
 * To address to point about the image not being linked in the image page. It was when the image was uploaded, since then the BBC created what they call a "Brand" pid for it, hence the image moved to the brand pid and a new image for episode one was added. This has now been fixed, the image now links to The BBC Years and Years programme brand. - X201 (talk) 12:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That site still does not contain the image we’re talking about. It has the background image (the family sitting together) but not the complete image with the series title superimposed over. It is my opinion that this image has been taken from another source which has not been credited (nor verified as an official BBC source), in which case it is a violation of the terms of use of non-free images and not suitable for a television series infobox. Additionally, the series was a co-production between the BBC and HBO. It is inaccurate to say that the BBC made the show and HBO is just the foreign broadcaster. Any promotional material produced by either broadcaster would be equally valid. The title cards are not HBO promotional material, they are the actual title cards embedded in the episodes themselves. I also find the caption for the image somewhat unusual. Surely “BBC promotional poster” or something similar would be a more accurate description than “Original BBC image”.HaileyKhalif07 (talk) 12:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The image is from BBC iPlayer. Wikipedia NFU rules say that it is not allowable to do a direct link to an image, it must be to a page containing the image. The image is the version that the BBC uses for the show on iPlayer (it is NOT from another source. It is a BBC image) If direct linking were allowed, the URL would link directly to the exact image on the BBC's servers proving its veracity and origin.
 * Here is the direct link


 * As I said before, the 'Family photo' (to give it a title) was issued in the BBC press pack and used as the main promotional image for the series. There were multiple designs of the same image, some with the logo, some without, some with the logo in different locations, some with a stylised lettering and some with normal lettering. Here are a few examples:


 * BBC official YouTube account: Image in top right corner. Stylized text at the top of the image.
 * BBC official YouTube pay to view stream plain text at bottom of image.
 * Apple TV Rory Kinnear biography page, scroll the Shows slider to see Years and Years. - The image is the same one we are discussing.


 * This is an official BBC promotional image for the series, it conveys more information and is more recognisable than a lettering only title card. - X201 (talk) 09:29, 6 July 2022 (UTC)