Talk:Yehe Nara

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Yehe, on pre-WWII maps, is identified as Jehol, the hill region north northeast of Beijing, beyond the Great Wall. Today, it is part of Neimeng or Inner Mongolia, to the west of Liaodong.

The Ming rulers had a commandery outpost at Fushun in Liaoning that guarded the entrance to Zhongyuan or China.

The only route to enter Beijing by Jurchen horse cavalry from Yehe and Jianzhou (now Liaodong) is through the narrow pass at the start of the Great Wall on the Bo Hai coast of the Yellow Sea.

The several tribes to the north and east, beyond the Great Wall of Beijing, called themselves as nǚzhēn or Jurchen people. The Han Chinese call these people as Manchu or Man tribe, in especially after Nurhaci, led the Aisin Gioro tribe from the north near Yalu, i.e. North Korea, defeated and united the other tribes. The Chinese word man has prejucial connotation to mean unruly in the way that the Jurchen tribes were not submissive to Han Chinese rule. chu in Chinese means ethnicity. Manchu therefore means unruly tribe.

Nurhaci's son, Hong Taiji, led the Jurchen troops on the invitation of a disgruntled Ming commander Wu Sangui entered Beijing thru Shanhaiguan, and renamed the Jin dynasty founded by Nurhacu as Qing to give meaning of purity and discipline to the nobility of gold as against the unruliness seen by the Han Chinese.

He later changed the Chinese word man for unruliness to man for fullness. making them a people equal and deserving if not better or more perfect than the Han Chinese to rule the empire by a heavenly mandate. - is this supposed to be part of the article? anyway, the pass in your 3rd paragraph is the Shanghai Pass (or at it is in Chinese).--1698 07:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

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There are some mistakes in this article. 1) Jehol and Yehe are different. Jehol was the old name of Chengde.  Yehe was in modern day Liaoning, a distance of few hundred kms to the east. 2) The clan Yehe Nara were Mongol in origin. They have clansmen who remained Mongols in Qing dynasty. 3) The name Hong Taiji should be Huang Tai Ji.

General comments on wikipeadia: based on the English articles on East Asian topics, it seems like the contributors, for most of the time, get the facts wrong.

Legend or fact
Honestly, from what historical documents are we here to judge the authenticity of the Yehenara-AisinGioro myth? I think it should be removed or cited as folklore. Colipon+(T) 09:20, 8 July 2007 (UTC)