Talk:Yeshiva University

Specious Claim
"It also placed among the three top universities in the New York area, together with New York and Columbia universities." Columbia and NYU are #1 and #2. Someone has to be #3, but being the next one on the list by itself does not mean it is in the same category as the other two. (Why wouldn't the top 4 be the pertinent group? Or the top 2?)  USNWR doesn't even hint that NYU, CU and YU are in some category that other New York-area schools are not. A more accurate description would be "after only New York and Columbia universities".

I'm not trying to knock YU, but when a claim like this -- one that sounds substantive but really isn't -- appears in an article it suggests that the claim is unwarranted. The article's other claims about YU's strength are legitimate, but this one really isn't and it detracts from the others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.232.225.46 (talk) 20:24, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Similarly, "Yeshiva University is the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States combining Jewish scholarship with studies in the liberal arts, sciences, medicine, law, business, social work, Jewish studies and education, and psychology." Seems kind of ridiculous to list it as the oldest one that does all of these things. Davidmanheim (talk) 05:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Orthodox Judaism Navbox Unnecessary
The Orthodox Judaism Navbox at the bottom of the article seems unnecessary. Considering how broad the navbox is, and how narrow the article, the navbox seems as appropriate to the article as a navbox on education or New York State. ypnypn (talk) 03:50, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Notable faculty, alumni
It seems that in previous revisions, there were many more on these lists. What happened? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.98.153.92 (talk) 13:27, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

History - Sexual Abuse Allegations
I'm not sure why this topic, which has yet to come to a resolution warrants a subsection in history. I am removing the subhead and will add it back if/when there is a settlement. Idtboy (talk) 15:16, 3 September 2013 (UTC)Idtboy


 * Perhaps a separate section "Controversies" including that and the LGBTQ+ Club S.steinfeld10 (talk) 15:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

There are new developments in this case and I was rather shocked that nary a mention exists of these events, as the University does not deny that they happened. It's beyond time to re-add the content with updated information. I will add it myself if Idtboy does not.  Geofferic T•C ✡  06:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

agreed, this should be added back in now. Idtboy (talk) 15:16, 9 March 2015 (UTC)Idtboy

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1.1	LGBTQ+ club controversy and lawsuit?
The current lawsuit is listed under history and is the first subsection a reader of the page will encounter. Is that appropriate? Wouldn't a Controversies section at about #6 be more consistent with treatment elsewhere? Oh while I think about it, shouldn't the section explain the rationale for why Yeshiva don't want a particular student group on campus? 人族 (talk) 02:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree. LGBT should be a different section altogether. It is not really history. NerdboiIndia (talk) 18:42, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Reverted edits.
This article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshiva_University  says this at the top of the page. This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (September 2022) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) I made several edits which I considered to remove exactly this content. The first was sourced from these sources https://www.yu.edu/about (this is clearly from a promotional site). And this source, https://forward.com/news/breaking-news/307235/moshael-straus-elected-yeshiva-u-board-chief/ The second from this  https://www.msche.org/institution/0430/  The third from this. https://forward.com/news/333786/yeshiva-u-cedes-control-of-half-its-endowment-to-shed-its-einstein-liabilit/  I can see that the second and third edit do not meet the criteria of promotional material but they really don't seem to make sense on their own. They are very much out of date, and therefore inappropriate. Why woudl the reader be intereseted in thise two out of date snippets? They should surely be replaced by more up to date information. I should have read the sources more carefully but the warning is really not justified as the first edit is certainly in line with the direction above. How about I remove the first which you have restored even though it it clearly promotional material? The second and third should also be removed however that should be because they are just snippets of old information and really tell the reader nothing about the subject. The most recent is 2015. Why would anyone care how many degrees were issued in 2007? Surely they are not appropriate now? RegardsPngeditor (talk) 17:23, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't remove historical information merely because it's "out of date." Of course historical information is not up-to-date - it's historical! Nor is there anything wrong with the sources you've listed above. The university's website is certainly self-published so we should use with some caution but it's still a useful, legitimate source. I don't know much about The Forward but it doesn't immediately strike me an unreliable or otherwise unusable source. The university's institutional accreditor is certainly a reliable source for information about the university and the accreditor's actions related to the university. If you do not understand that source, you're encouraged to ask for help but it's not acceptable for you to remove it as "promotional literature."
 * You are welcome to edit this article - add new information, make productive edits to existing material, update information, etc. - but you are not welcome to use misleading edit summaries to remove information. ElKevbo (talk) 22:46, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

MTA?
Is there a good reason why there's no link from the list of schools to  Marsha Stern Talmudical Academy and the YU High School for girls? Vonfraginoff (talk) 15:53, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Merge proposal
Merge History of Yeshiva University into Yeshiva University. Both pages are short enough to combine into the university's main page. Per WP:PAGEDECIDE, there's no need for a separate history page (especially one as poorly sourced as stands now). .Longhornsg (talk) 00:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)