Talk:Yeshiva University/Archive 1

Faux alumni
The entry has been defaced with faux alumni. Two have been removed, while others of dubious veracity are under investigation.

Scaligera (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

S. Daniel Abraham Israel Program merge
The Israel Program page is small in scope and size. Seems like a good merge. (BTW, original suggestion to merge wasn't from me, but no one had put up a discussion). --FeldBum (talk) 10:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Notable alumni - Baruch Goldstein
Avunculator added Baruch Goldstein to the list of notable alumni with the following description: "physician and perpetrator of the Cave of the Patriarchs Massacre." I removed the information after physician as "unnecessary". After Avunculator reverted and I reverted back, an IP (not sure if the IP is connected to Avunculator) added the information back. Three different editors reverted, but I believe the central basis of thosse reversions was that the information was unsourced. The IP then sourced the information, which was already in the Goldstein article anyway. My reason for reverting was it was more information than any of the other notable alumni had. The purpose of the list of notable alumni is not to give descriptions as to why they are notable - you can get them from the Wikipedia article about them - it's just to identify them.

So, I reverted on that basis, and after some additional reversions, the IP posted to my Talk page this comment: "Hello, I contend that the designation of perpetrator of the Cave of the Patriarchs Massacre is fitting, as no one knows Baruch Goldstein as a physician, as his listing would otherwise merely say. It would be dishonest to remove the main thing he is known for from this list. Thank you."

The IP reverted last, and I'm leaving it permitting others to comment. One possible solution is to remove the entire description, including physician. Several of the notable alumni have no description at all.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:06, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * How about removing the physician part? He is not known for curing people, but killing people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.241.204 (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Let's keep these kinds of comments out of the discussion. They certainly don't help your position as they make you look like you have an agenda.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:20, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Those are exactly the type of comments that ARE important in a discussion such as this. The question is, "why is this person notable?" - Which is the same as asking, what is this person is known for?  (As you well know.) If he is known as a physician, so be it.  But in this case, it doesn't hold up.  So, apart from that and his involvement in the "Cave of the Patriarchs Massacre", what else is he known for?  What makes him worth mentioning at all?  If he's not notable for something, he should not be mentioned.  Just because it's not a positive does not make it non-noteworthy.  Even if it is negative, it is what it is.  Would WP be improved if we had no article about Adolph Hitler?  We are all agreed he is known for evil and murder, yet he still has an article - because he is noteworthy.  And not in a good way, obviously.


 * Furthermore, everyone commenting here has an agenda. That doesn't automatically disqualify someone from asking questions or making statements on the talk page that are substantially true and/or accurate on their face.  If the man was involved in a crime, and the claim is accurate, then it is certainly fair game to mention it here and ask questions.  If not, then the rules for WP don't hold. As far as I know, no single person here is the arbiter of what "types" of comments are allowed. Attempting to repress open and honest discussion itself "makes it look like you have an agenda." 98.194.39.86 (talk) 01:12, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Yeshiva University Medical Ethics Society merge
The article is too small in scope to be on its own. Merging the two seems natural. --UlTiMuS - ( T | C ) 04:25, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, although the article barely seems notable. -- FeldBum 12:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I assume there is more to the article than has been posted
 * Plus the society is a student run organization. It was founded and is run by students. They are currently planning a conference on organ donation in jewish law for the fall. I dont think it belongs on the YU page


 * Where else would it go? Please sign your posts (No one likes talking to ghosts. Register an account and use the four tildes) -- FeldBum 13:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

POV and Cleanup
Regarding cleanup, the History paragraphs read like an article in the Jewish Press, using terms such as "Torah UParnassah" or "Roshei Yeshiva" without defining them. While such terms are 'normalspeak' in the orthodox community, this is an encyclopedia.

The few sentences about the feud and the consequential opening of Lander College are vague, does not mention Lander to be part of Touro College, and is very biased. --Geekish 07:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Please note that I have moved information (student government and dorms) regarding Yeshiva College to the Yeshiva College page. Either the complete university data for these paragraphs should be included, or it should not be on this page.

Roshei Yeshiva
It's a real shame that it took this long for there to be a "Roshei Yeshiva" box at the end of this article. Please do your best to expand articles for those that already exist and begin articles for those Roshei Yeshiva who do not have articles yet. Pizzapie3 02:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Translation into Chinese Wikipedia
The 18:36, 28 February 2008 Alansohn version of this article is translated into Chinese Wikipedia.--Philopp (talk) 14:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding notable faculty and alumni section
This must be the only university in America that doesn't have such a section on its page. There are scores of notable graduates, and many faculty (and former faculty) whose scholarship merits individual web pages. I may be wrong, but is YU embarrassed that among its many very distinguished alumni are some who are no longer observant? It happens. Other Orthodox institutions do list their no-longer-observant grads. Maimo67 (talk) 23:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Maimo67

Condense this article
This article is way too detailed into different presidents and time periods and such..Somebody condense this properly w/o taking away the interesting information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.210.114 (talk) 02:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

logo
someone needs to change the logo....it was a swastika but i took it down

The history section is too long? Perhaps someone can condense it down or break it down to history and make a new section for presidents?

The history page is too short, if anything. Maybe a separate article? Davidmanheim (talk) 05:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)