Talk:Yoko Ono/GA3

GA Review
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Reviewer: XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 20:20, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Prose
 * Lead
 * Given her frequent collaborations with son Sean, I'd add him to associated acts
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 15:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The opening sentence is rather lengthy. Try splitting it into something like "Yoko Ono *insert Japanese characters* (born February 18, 1933) is a Japanese artist, singer-songwriter, and peace activist. She is the second wife and widow of John Lennon."
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 15:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Early life and family
 * This entire first paragraph should be rewritten. Try something like "Yoko Ono was born in Tokyo on February 18, 1933. She is the daughter of banker/pianist Eisuke Ono and Isoko Yasuda. Eisuke came from a family of samurai warriors. Isoko's paternal grandfather Yasuda Zenjirō was the founder of Yasuda zaibatsu. The kanji translation of Ono's first name Yoko means 'ocean child'." ✅ I've made this section more clear but does it say anywhere as a Wiki guideline that the father HAS be mentioned before the mother? How important is this? Because as you know, the mother carries most of the physical burden of pregnancy and childbirth so I'd like to mention Isoko first.--Aichik (talk) 21:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The second paragraph should also be rewritten. Try something like "Two weeks before Yoko's birth, Eisuke was transferred to San Francisco by the Yokohama Specie Bank. The rest of the family followed soon after, with Yoko meeting Eisuke when she was two. Her younger brother Keisuke was born in December 1936. In 1937, the family was transferred back to Japan and Ono was enrolled at Tokyo's Gakushuin (also known as the Peers School)."
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd also merge the first and second paragraphs into one.
 * ❌ I respectfully disagree. There are alot of foreign names in here, making it dense for non-Japanese readers.--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * In third paragraph, "Her father was transferred in 1941" → "Eisuke was transferred in 1941"
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * In fourth paragraph, "taunted her and her brother" → "taunted her and Keisuke"
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * New York
 * College and downtown beginnings
 * "she enrolled in nearby Sarah Lawrence College" → "she enrolled nearby at Sarah Lawrence College"
 * ✅ Not sure why this is more correct but I've changed it.--Aichik (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * "While her parents approved of her college choice, they were dismayed at her ensuing lifestyle, and, according to Ono, chastised her for befriending people they considered to be 'beneath' her" would read better as something like "Ono said her parents disapproved of her lifestyle at Sarah Lawrence and chastised her for befriending people they found to be 'beneath' her".
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The "Toshi Ichiyanagi, Anthony and Kyoko Cox" section would be better titled as "Motherhood"
 * ❌ Why? I think that's sexist. She underwent two marriages and was institutionalized too. See what I put, which incorporates motherhood.--Aichik (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The UK and John Lennon
 * This section is better off simply titled "John Lennon"✅ Agreed. Hardly anything in here about the UK.--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The last paragraph before "Bed-Ins and other early collaborations" should be rewritten and merged into the previous paragraph. Try something like "Lennon wrote and recorded 'Happiness is a Warm Gun,' on September 24 and 25, 1968, which contains sexual references towards Ono. A few weeks after Lennon's divorce from Cynthia was granted, Ono became pregnant though suffered a miscarriage on November 21, 1968."
 * ✅ Kept in the fact that the child was male.--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * ref#17 should not just be a bare URL.✅ Fixed.--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The Plastic Ono Band
 * The last sentence should be merged into the first paragraph.✅ Agreed.Italic text


 * First solo album and Fly
 * The image in this should be moved down into "New York: separation from Lennon and reunion" so it doesn't overlap.
 * ❌ Don't understand the issue.--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The sentence "The most famous track from the album is probably 'Don't Worry, Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking for Her Hand in the Snow)', an ode to Ono's missing daughter, featuring Eric Clapton on guitar." from the second paragraph is simply speculation. I'd remove it.✅--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd merge the second paragraph into the first or third paragraph.✅--Aichik (talk) 18:39, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * New York: separation from Lennon and reunion
 * Lennon's Murder
 * These two short paragraphs should just be combined into one paragraph.
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Artwork
 * Association with Fluxus
 * The second paragraph needs to be rewritten and merged into the first or third paragraph. Try something like "John Cage and Marcel Duchamp significantly influenced Ono's art. She met cage through his student Ichiyanagi Toshi."
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Grapefruit book, 1964
 * These four short paragraphs should be merged into two paragraphs or maybe even one.
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Public Image
 * "Both the press and the public were critical of Ono for many years" would read better as something like "Ono was frequently criticized by the press and public for many years"
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Sourcing
 * New York
 * Toshi Ichiyanagi, Anthony and Kyoko Cox
 * ref#13 needs to be replace for the last paragraph, I found nothing involving a name change to "Rosemary" in that ref.
 * ✅ Replaced with another name that was referenced.--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The UK and John Lennon
 * There should not be a space between ref#27 and ref#28
 * ❌ Not sure what this is referring to.--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * First solo album and Fly
 * Just use ref#44 for the bits on Kyoko and Anthony Cox
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Artwork
 * Cut Piece, 1964
 * Per WP:OVERCITE, ref#4 doesn't need to be used multiple times in a row
 * ✅ Sure.--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Musical career
 * 1980s
 * Daily Mail (ref#102) has been repeatedly declared unreliable at WP:RSN. Either replace this with a better source or remove it.
 * ✅ Replaced with NYT obit on Sam Green.--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * 2000s
 * The first and second paragraphs need citations
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 19:36, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Public Image
 * Just use ref#78 (IrishCentral) for how she's been blamed for the Beatles breaking up
 * ❌ We should keep the additional reference. Lots of Ono haters out there; look at history, the vandalism.--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * As a general note, the "Allmusic" and "Allmusic.com" refs should read "AllMusic". This applies in multiple sections. Also, there are a few references which link to this article itself. They shouldn't do that.
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * 2000s
 * ref#113 should read The Independent rather than Daily Post. This ref should also be outside of the parentheses.
 * ❌ Put the reference outside the parentheses but source is stated as Daily Post. Where did you find that it was from the Independent?--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * ref#115 (Chicago Sun-Times) comes off as a questionable source. Replace with something more reliable.
 * ✅ Not replacing, merely added a second. The Chicago Sun-Times is a reliable daily.--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * remove ref#117 (New York Post) as it is a tabloid ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * ref#120 should read CNN rather than cnn.com ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * per WP:OVERCITE, just use ref#122 after the "stayed in for over 40 years" bit.
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * 2010s
 * just use ref#133 (Hollywood Reporter) for the bit on Lady Gaga. ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Political activism and social media
 * ref#150 should be outside of the parentheses and replaced with a more reliable source.✅
 * ref#155 should also be outside of the parentheses.✅
 * ref#162 should be replaced with a more reliable source ✅
 * ref#163 should be filled (it is currently just a bare URL)✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * This has several dead refs as indicated here.
 * ✅ This thing is amazing. I've hit all the links in red. Let me know if I need to work on the links that are green as well. (And what the issues are with that as I don't completely understand.)--Aichik (talk) 00:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Coverage
 * Artwork
 * Cut Piece, 1964
 * If this cannot be expanded beyond two incomplete paragraphs, merge this into one paragraph
 * ✅ Take a look now.--Aichik (talk) 19:36, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Musical career
 * Pre-Lennon
 * This should be expanded beyond a stubby paragraph
 * ✅ Wow, you're good. I learned alot here.--Aichik (talk) 00:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


 * 2010s
 * This should be expanded beyond two sentences so it isn't just a stubby paragraph


 * Relationship with the Beatles
 * I would expand the "Relationship with Julian Lennon" section beyond one stubby paragraph and merge it into "The U.K. and John Lennon" section ✅--Aichik (talk) 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Neutrality
 * Public image
 * The "nasty" bit in "The British press were particularly nasty" seems ambiguous. Use something like "critical". Also, "British" is an ambiguous term, replace it with a specific country (which seems to be England).
 * ✅--Aichik (talk) 19:36, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Stability
 * No problems here


 * GA Result
 * In the end, I have to fail the GAN. Sorry, but there are simply too many problems.
 * See all the changes now...--Aichik (talk) 00:45, 19 April 2014 (UTC)