Talk:York Park

The Examiner article
Here is an article which was in The Examiner on Sep 3. Could be useful as a source.

The URL is http://www.examiner.com.au/story.asp?id=359597, but since the site is pay to access, I will reproduce the content here in case any editors want to make use of it - of course don't insert it verbatim into the article, make sure you add the article to references, and delete it from the talk page when done ASAP. -- Chuq 12:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

'' THE MAKING OF TASSIE'S BIGGEST SPORT ICON

In the early 1920s the folks of Launceston proudly admired the conversion of a swamp into a giant open-air sports field. After 80 years of small improvements, York Park metamorphosed in to a modern AFL stadium capable of hosting World Cup-standard events is even more dramatic. SOPHIE FOWLER looks at the evolution of a country ground to a modern-day Colosseum.

THE idea of dumping your old tyres and grass clippings at York Park could be seen as sacrilege these days but there was a time when it was commonplace.

The site was once a tip.

Having emerged from equally unglamorous beginnings as a swamp, York Park became a showground before cementing its place in the community as a sport ground and people's venue.

Named in honour of the Duke and Duchess of York, who visited Tasmania during the Federation celebration in 1901, the ground was originally developed for football, cricket, tennis, bowling, cycling and foot-racing.

The park was officially opened by the St Andrews Caledonian Society, at its New Year's Day sport day in 1921.

Eighty-five years later, the venue now known as Aurora Stadium has been transformed.

In fact, the ground has undergone a number of transformations over time but none more significant than those of the last seven years.

Redevelopments have ensured that the park received the global attention it deserves after having hosted everything from an Ike and Tina Turner concert to an evangelism performance by Billy Graham as well as vigoro, gymkhana, soccer and rugby events.

But it was the introduction of AFL to Tasmania and Aurora Stadium that really put the venue on the map and provided the catalyst for a worthy $20 million make-over.

Aurora Stadium ground manager Robert Groenewegan remembers the start.

"Redevelopment started in 1999 as a result of the money promised in the 1998 Federal election," he recalled.

"So you would have been able to park your car next to the boundary fence up until then. It's hard to believe now."

Mr Groenewegan said the stadium had exceeded his expectations and continued to out-do itself, which in turn meant continued improvements - a cycle that has continued since the ground's initial development.

"In the early days when we just had the middle part of the Gunns stand built and the light towers, I used to walk out and just think the place was absolutely marvellous because I couldn't believe we'd got to that stage. It just snowballed after that," he said.

"For the early AFL games we bunked in some temporary seating but by 2002 we thought we better stop bunking in infrastructure and build some so we introduced the terrace seating. They were all out in the open and needed a roof over them so the rooves were another whole project. We were reasonably protected from the weather then but were really lacking in corporate facilities so bit by bit we had to really work that up and redeveloped the function room."

Mr Groenewegan said that the addition of lights had given the ground great versatility and the stadium now included a function space that was comparable to the best in the country, a media area, coaches' boxes and range of facilities needed to host an AFL game that were second to none.

" I do pinch myself sometimes when I think about how far we've come," he said.

Community support had been integral to the success of the stadium and had been very strong, according to Mr Groenewegan.

He said he was proud to have been able to provide a range of events in return for the public's loyalty.

"I'm pretty proud of the fact that we've been able to use it for things other than sport," he said.

"We had the big function on New Year's Eve which went really well, we had the (stunt bike team) Krusty Demons which was a huge challenge because we had an AFL game the following week and we've got a military tattoo coming up.

"I think the community are starting to say, `We want to use the ground for more things' and we're working really hard to try and bring more events here.

"It really is a community place at the end of the day. It always has been and we want to keep it that way."

Despite some controversy over the name, Mr Groenewegan said he had also received positive feedback from the public in regard to the stadium's most recent addition - the Jim Bacon gates.

"Most people I've spoken to are thrilled that we've been able to recognise Jim," he said.

"There's been some people that have indicated that they should have been named after some footballers that have made a good contribution but I see our Hall of Fame as the spot to acknowledge them.

"Jim played an integral role right from the start. He was a major driver and deserved some recognition."''

Page name
I suggest this page be moved to York Park as per the (sort of recent) moves of Stadium Australia and Docklands Stadium. Comments? -- Chuq (talk) 13:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Just a note here that the article name has been changed after consensus was reached at Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board/Archive_28 and Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board. Please see those discussions for full rationale. -- Chuq (talk) 00:30, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Stadium Expansion
Found an article in the local newspaper(online) I don't have time to write something up, maybe someone else can, should be some good information hereStony (talk) 05:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Would you believe I just did a major update/restructure of the article and didn't take either the article you posted above, nor the article I posted at the top of this talk page years ago, into account? I'll see what I can do if no-one beats me to it! -- Chuq (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good, maybe you could create a new page for the events, so as to clean up the main page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stonyisalegend (talk • contribs) 06:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been unsure what to do about those - I'd prefer deleting them rather than making a separate article - no other stadium has such a historical record of events and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I think I'll delete the VFL ones, make a summary of the AFL games each year in the Aussie rules section, and make a new association football section with the A-League details. -- Chuq (talk) 10:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * More updates and restructuring today.. and I *still* haven't got to Stony's article! -- Chuq (talk) 13:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have added the final few tidbits of info from the article Stony provided. The article is looking pretty good now! -- Chuq (talk) 07:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Page name done, and I've made a stub for North Launceston Football Club to get rid of those annoying red links! GAR time! -- Chuq (talk) 08:42, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixtures
Why are you getting rid of 2008 fixtures that Aaroncrick keeps adding?? Other minor AFL grounds such as Carrara Stadium and Manuaka Oval have the fixtures. Is this personal all something? grow up and stop it! Lukeyslegends (talk) 02:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Stop deleting 2008 AFL Fixtures/Schedule!! Aaroncrick (talk) 02:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Where do I start:
 * Wikipedia is not a news source. If you add 2008 fixtures but no others, then that promotes recentism - that is, giving recent events unnecessarily favourable coverage over older events.
 * If you add in fixtures from 2007, 2006, 2005.. the articles becomes unnecessarily long. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.
 * Games with notably large crowds are already listed under the "Record crowds" section.
 * Games notable for other reasons are already listed elsewhere, so far the only one being the siren controversy one from 2006.
 * The article has recently undergone a Good Article review, and fixture information was not regarded as necessary in the article. The GA review was done by an independent user not involved with editing the article.
 * "Other stuff exists" is not a valid reason for keeping content. It is more a sign that the other articles need to be cleaned up. )
 * Aaroncrick's additions had been previously reverted by more than one person, with reasons in the edit summary, however he just re-adds them without discussion or comment.
 * -- Chuq (talk) 02:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh I forgot to mention:
 * The commentary about why some crowds were bigger or smaller than others is unsourced opinion.
 * The potential to upgrade the capacity of the stadium is covered elsew
 * When you go to add something, think to yourself... would this be relevant to an encyclopedia article on York Park? --  Chuq (talk) 02:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And there's more:
 * You have cited another Wikipedia article as a reference - this is a form of self-reference - all references should be third party sources.
 * You have mangled the sections, now "Association football" and "Other events" are sub-headings of the 2008 AFL fixture list?
 * -- Chuq (talk) 02:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I think there are some basic things about Wikipedia you aren't aware of. Wikipedia isn't a free-for-all where you can post whatever you want - there are rules and policies to keep things organised. The links in my comments above are to various Wikipedia policies and guidelines, so when you say "that doesn't matter" or "that sounds stupid" well, they are the rules which have kept Wikipedia going. Things added need to be notable, need to be verifiable. When I first started I made edits which were then deleted/reverted, lots of people do, but I learned from them. -- Chuq (talk) 11:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Other Events
Aurora Stadium has not hosted. * Ike & Tina Turner concert * Billy Graham evangelical performance Where on earth would you get that from? Aaroncrick (talk) 03:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Examiner article at the top of this talk page. I notice the reference is broken though since the Examiner website changed the way it names pages now, I'll try to find the correct one and fix it.  -- Chuq (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed -- Chuq (talk) 04:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Has never hosted these things! Aaroncrick (talk) 08:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I suggest you take it up with the author of that newspaper article. Considering they interviewed the ground manager I would expect that would be a pretty reliable source.  What makes you so sure that they haven't? -- Chuq (talk) 11:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok then you may be right, but you have to be a member of the Examiner to view it, so i can't read it. Aaroncrick (talk) 11:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Try the microfilm at the local branch of the state library in Launceston, Aaron. AFL-Cool (talk) 10:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Eastern Terrace (Launceston Tamar Valley terrace)
I read on the Launceston City Council that the stands name has changed, but i can't find the name change on any other site. Should it be kept at Eastern Terrace. Aaroncrick (talk) 10:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I found the Terrace name: link. It's located at the bottom of the page. Aaroncrick (talk) 10:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Quality
Is the article worth B-Grade listing? Aaroncrick (talk) 07:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Turn of the century
The following sentence in the lead puzzles me - The ground has only been used as an international sports venue since the turn of the century. I know I'm being picky, but I would love to see the article get to GA Shelbypark (talk) 01:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Which century - 2000, or 1900? It would be better to provide the year eg 2001 (or whatever).
 * The word only is ambiguous and misleading. Is the ground now exclusively used as an international sports venue, or was it first used as an international sports venue in year ****?
 * Thanks, I've started fixing these issues. Aaroncrick (talk) 04:26, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The article really needs a good copy-edit but thats probably not going to happen. Aaroncrick (talk) 07:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

GAN
I've listed the article for GAN a couple of weeks ago, so hopefully the process gets completed soon. Aaroncrick (talk) 09:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Hall of Fame
I've added a sub section titled 'Hall of Fame' - I thought it was significant enough to include. My only problem is that I can't find any evidence of the actual, physical Hall of Fame being planned for or built. Nor can I find any evidence of it being 'put on hold'. Can anyone help out on this one? Shelbypark (talk) 07:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember hearing a bit about it a few years ago but i haven't heard anything since. Aaroncrick (talk) 07:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Notes to help with the GA drive
Just some initial notes on the article - Peripitus (Talk) 06:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The lead needs work. Per WP:LEAD it should summarise the article. At the moment it doesn't discuss the history, structure, crowds sections etc.
 * Not a point for the GA review but the map would be good with a scale
 * Is there a reference for the average AFL attendances ?
 * Given the "Transport" section is so short, consider incorporating it into the Structure and Facilities section
 * Thanks for noting these issues. I've since addressed these, although I'm not sure if the lead reads too well..?  Aaroncrick  ( Tassie Talk ) 11:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything except the map has been fixed.  Aaroncrick (Tassie talk) 10:04, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hopefully I can get some better quality images in a couple of weeks. Or if anyone has some please upload, thanks.  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 23:19, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I've gone throught the Examiner archive and filled in missing refs, so it should become a GA again in the near future.  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 03:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Elton John ref
Anyone have one for the crowd figure as http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,22893452-5007221,00.htm has died/.  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 07:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Tenants
I'm pretty sure St Kilda should go under the tenants. 2001-06, I think. Anyone got a ref for that? Gibbsyspin 00:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gibbsy. I added this, btw it was 2003-2006.  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 00:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Attendance
A "few weeks" of copy editing before it should be proposed for FA again. Sounds easy enough.

"''The ground's record attendance is 20,971, recorded in an AFL match between Hawthorn and Richmond on 18 June 2006. This match occurred before the Northern Stand was damaged, decreasing the stadium capacity." Jumped out. This could read like the decreased capacity was related to that particular match's attendance.

Maybe something like: The ground's record attendance is 20,971, recorded in an AFL match between Hawthorn and Richmond on 18 June 2006. This match occurred before the Northern Stand was damaged, decreasing the stadium capacity.[53] An AFL match between Hawthorn and St Kilda on 8 August 2009 saw a capacity (add: the first ever sell-out?) crowd of 20,011—the largest crowd since the fire reduced the stadium's capacity.[53][54] The stadium's lowest AFL attendance is 12,465, recorded in a match between St Kilda and Fremantle on 3 April 2005.[52]''

Cptnono (talk) 07:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

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